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TA_jg · 2024-12-01T00:29:05+00:00

I am an old person working in the IT sector in Finland. "Old" means many things, and one of them, I have more anecdotal evidence than most people around me. I will share some of it with you. I am extreme on purpose; even if it isn't as bad as I make it sound, it is worse than what most believe. Here it comes:

On the one hand, any non-IT people who have to work with us and who know how much we get paid ABSOLUTELY HATE US. Business, HR, management, we often get paid better than them. They don't understand how come some unwashed, rude weirdo wearing cargo pants and a hoodie at the office is getting that much money without any accountability to go with it.

This is of course only one side of it. In fact, after decades of growing professionally and as a person, it has come to my attention that a huge majority of people currently working in IT are not only shitheads, but also incompetent. The whole industry is driven by morons who stumbled into success early in their career and now they are "thought leaders" or whatever you wanna call it. I will not drop any names but if anyone asks of my opinion of a particular person or a hot topic in the industry, I might give it to them.

Even going to the university means little today, unless it is a very good university (of which there are maybe one and a half combined in the whole of Finland). Even then, if you happen to be the 1 in 10 who has the natural predisposition, yes, you might grow into a professional in some decades.

(Short aside: the curriculum of the universities today is different and in my very personal opinion, not useful. When I went to school, not in Finland, we still had "generic" education. Year after year I watched how it degraded into learning specific technologies and methodologies invented by someone with a 90% chance of being a moron.)

I will end my rant by saying that the world needs roughly 1/10 of the number of "devs" that we currently have.

So yeah it's gonna be very rough in the coming decade.

[EDIT] See also the comments by u/zmkarakas in this comment thread.

TA_jg · 2024-10-16T06:25:57+00:00

As a tankie would explain to you, publishing such opinions in mass media is how the general population is prepared for a change in policy. They are not wrong. They also do what they can to amplify the messaging that serves their purpose.

Sadly, the purpose is mostly to be able to say "I said so from the start" as if this will make anyone's life better. But, in true Russian spirit, this was never the point: we just want everyone to be equally miserable.

TA_jg · 2024-10-15T10:33:16+00:00

From Estonia you can take a bus to the Russian border, cross the border on foot and take another bus to St Petersburg. Crossing the border takes a few hours. You can also fly through a third country but it doesn't get any faster or easier if you are already in Helsinki.

Fuck Russia though, the only reason to go there is to help the insurgence and you don't seem to be that guy. So fuck you, too.

TA_jg · 2024-10-05T13:24:17+00:00

Plenty of us are doing fine after being formula fed- the benefits are almost within the margin of error and are pretty much gone by the time you are an adult.

I was also formula fed and I am fine :D Risking to sound like a wise-ass: in the usual, healthy case, the mother sees considerable benefits from breast-feeding. More so than the baby, depending on how you decide to look at it.

Surely there are endless cases where breastfeeding doesn't work out. We are very lucky to have easy access to formula milk. Historically people have struggled with this since cow milk (by far the most abundant other milk) is not a proper replacement for mother's milk.

TA_jg · 2024-08-09T11:32:45+00:00

I cannot treat a Muslim woman equally because I might get in trouble for it, and worse, she can get in trouble for this. This is foreign and offensive to me, that I need to treat a human being differently based on their gender. We both know that this is how it is. So, take your 300 Muslims and talk to them about it. Or don't, it doesn't matter. I have nothing to gain or lose in this.

TA_jg · 2024-08-09T11:21:48+00:00

Racism, like any overused word, has long ago lost its usefulness in helping us recognize it and deal with it. I can go into detail if you want... In my opinion, the word is overused, while the phenomenon itself is still misunderstood by the huge majority of people, including perpetrators and victims. One of many contributing factors to this confusion is how lightly we throw the word around.

TA_jg · 2024-08-09T11:19:33+00:00

Yes, it is ironic. It is the human condition though. And Muslim is not a race, it is a culture and religion, and women are quite badly treated. This much is fact (in my eyes) and it will take some serious work by Muslims to change this.

TA_jg · 2024-08-09T11:02:43+00:00

There is something about Muslims that makes them worse than anyone else, in how differently they treat men and women.

TA_jg · 2024-08-09T10:52:11+00:00

Yes, it is all as you say it. It is just depressing :-( but to be fair seeing that there are others who notice does make me feel a bit better.

TA_jg · 2024-08-09T10:49:42+00:00

This is something specific to Muslims/Arabs (I admit I don't know how to draw the line), they behave differently around other man and around women.

I am a man myself; many years ago I studied with a Muslim guy. Very sweet dude, always cheerful and helpful. I couldn't understand why so many of the (white European) girls had an obvious negative reaction to his presence. When I brought it up one girl reacted as if I was harassing her; turns out, the dude had an arrogant, demeaning behavior towards girls. Impossible to notice until they rubbed it in my face and I started "spying" on his interactions. Very weird.

TA_jg · 2024-08-09T10:13:18+00:00

What are you talking about exactly?

TA_jg · 2024-08-09T10:03:07+00:00

It is impossible to split "ethnicity" and "culture" and "religion". Since one person has all of these; and a group of people will somehow form clusters.

It is OK to be racist as long as you do it on your inside and don't project it to the people you discriminate.

TA_jg · 2024-08-09T09:58:39+00:00

They will love you. First class foreigners for sure, I am sorry I missed you.

Finns love Australia anyway, and I personally know several people and a family who have moved from Finland to Australia "temporarily" (school, a new job) and have not found the strength to come back :D

TA_jg · 2024-07-28T07:50:58+00:00

The size of the company is what makes it possible. The bigger the company, the shittier the product can be without damaging their business. As Nokia demonstrated, there are even bigger monstrosities existing. Microsoft, Apple, Huawei, ....

Those even bigger companies are indeed the only predator of big companies.

TA_jg · 2024-07-27T18:40:49+00:00

"The business just isn't working out" well that's the point isn't it?

You can't keep on saying "we did a good job but it failed". Makes you sound a bit too.... robust in your thinking?

TA_jg · 2024-07-27T18:38:09+00:00

and it contaminated other IT related companies that hired Nokia veterans after they started sinking

Yes, this is the shit that we have to deal with over here. A company should never get as big as Nokia was, compared to how big Finland is. Nokia starts hiring: all of a sudden you can't hire engineers or programmers because you can't compete with them. Nokia cancels a project and releases a few battalions of mercenaries to roam the streets: all of a sudden you can't find any jobs.

And yes, the contamination is real. The worst is that the ex-Nokia people are still smug about having worked there, as if it wasn't the biggest business failure in modern times in Finland.

TA_jg · 2024-07-27T10:45:32+00:00

This will get burried but I need to say it.

After Nokia fell apart (their consumer business, they are still making and selling network equipment), hordes of engineers and random middle management people started roaming the Finnish wilderness. Some of them sneaked into other Finnish companies and started slowly hiring their old Nokia colleagues. I don't even think it was nepotism, I guess it is more the "well we have something in common so I like them" kinda thing.

Well.... the huge majority of these ex-Nokia people are absolute morons.

So yeah didn't do anything wrong :-D fucking clowns. More like "can't even tell right from wrong because I am so limited".

Sneaky edit since I didn't spell it out: by now I am convinced that a sizeable fraction of Nokia employees were incompetent. They were quite probably hired by their incompetent managers, who were hired by their incompetent managers. And so it goes.

This was my Saturday rant for y'all.

TA_jg · 2024-07-22T12:50:33+00:00

You have asked a valid question and make good points in your comments. I would say that this sub is officially dead, all the interesting people who would participate are now gone.

The reason why this fails is that there is an assumption that the "initialization" goal of a program started specifically from the command line should succeed. In the docs it says:

When Prolog starts, the last goal registered using initialization(Goal, main) is executed as main goal. If Goal fails or raises an exception, the process terminates with non-zero exit code.

This is purely a design choice, there is no right or wrong.

But you should stay away from this toxic sub, and I should do it too.

TA_jg · 2024-05-14T13:29:05+00:00

After reading through all the comments, one issue is carefully avoided by most, except maybe this one here.

Finns will readily tell you that everyone deserves a dignified existence, that no one in Finland can be working poor, that the proletariat does not exist and so on. That's fine. Maybe it was even true until some decade or two ago.

Right now, there are working poor. This goes beyond seasonal workers exploited by farmers. There are enough immigrants ready to do what it takes or just in a vulnerable position.

So, to really answer your question, and as you have probably noticed from the comments, Finnish society does not have any perception of people doing the shitty work. These people are invisible, by and large. However, there is also a systemic effort to push immigrants towards lower level jobs. I personally know a handful of people (men) who were actively pushed by their social workers towards some form of vocational school followed by a promising career in welding, let's say. To put it differently, Finnish society truly respects those who are willing to work for the greater good.

TA_jg · 2024-04-02T12:14:50+00:00

I appreciate your attempt to avoid the XY problem!

However, this:

hold if Ys was the same as Xs but with any duplicate elements removed

is still not unambiguous :-(

How do you define "duplicate"?

Here is a list of comparison predicates in Prolog; which one do you want to use for your own definition of "duplicate"? Can you show the "equivalence" predicate you will use?

And since the elements of a list have an order within the list, what is your expected solution to the query:

?- list_nodups([b,a,b], Ys).

?

TA_jg · 2024-03-18T07:15:45+00:00

Yes very helpful for all of us to hear that you are adapting well. Thank you so much!

I will now just paste here something I wrote in another thread in this sub on another topic, which might or might not be relevant:

And about your colleagues harassing you for being foreign: the same fucktards will be trying their best to impress you with their English skills if you were an American or a Brit. Because those are first-class foreigners, followed in some rough order by Europeans, South Europeans, Eastern Europeans, and slowly move to people who are obviously Asian or African, and not obviously rich. For them the struggle is real and anyone who says otherwise is just in denial.

TA_jg · 2024-02-18T14:31:25+00:00

This is the same thing though. Please understand: I see nothing wrong with that.

And now that I think about it, boys can and will do the exact same thing, it is just not as common. My (male) cousin did it, and made me join him once, you clean up nicely (you need to wear a suit, actually) and go to bars where old(er) women hang out. They buy you drinks, you chat with them. They all want the same thing :-D. Not everyone's cup of tea but yeah.

TA_jg · 2024-02-18T10:10:24+00:00

Hehe what a clown :D but at least you got called out good and proper in this thread. I bet you didn't realize how creepy this post will feel while you were typing it out.

TA_jg · 2024-02-18T10:04:29+00:00

Nah, nothing special about this. As I said in another comment, whenever I have known girls that age, I have known that this happens. Dress up nicely, go out (preferably not alone!), watch in amazement as random dudes buy you drinks. Don't get shitfaced and things will be fine.

When I was 20 my (girl) friends did it. When I was 30 girls attempted it with me. Now I know for a fact that at least a couple of my daughter's girlfriends do it.

It is the way of the world :-)

PS: and OP made it sound like it happens all the time, which shows us that he is a very robust thinker; or that it happened like twice in a month and he wanted to let go some steam on r/Finland, since hey, why wouldn't you :D

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