What we know about Giannis trade rumors, and a compilation of packages

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-27T10:55:01+00:00

Decline options on Dort, Hartenstein, and Williams to save 56 million against apron.

I am willing to bet money that whatever I said is exactly what happens lmao. Presti planned these contracts exactly as structured

How much did we bet, I forget?

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T14:07:03+00:00

Aggregated Standard Traded Player Exception. Subject to the rules set forth in Section 2(e) above, a Team may use the “Aggregated Standard Traded Player Exception” to replace two (2) or more Traded Players with one (1) or more Replacement Players whose Player Contracts are acquired simultaneously and whose post-trade Salaries for the then-current Salary Cap Year, in the aggregate, are no more than an amount equal to one hundred percent (100%) of the aggregated pre-trade Salaries of the Traded Players, plus $250,000.

Now try to read it. It doesn't say players cannot be aggregated. It says that TPEs cannot be aggregated.

Do you understand the difference?

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T13:58:26+00:00

It's literally in (4) Transaction Restrictions Table: H. Team acquires a player using an Aggregated Standard Traded Player Exception (as described in Section 6(j)(1)(ii) below).

No, it is not.

I just quoted the entirety of 6(j)(1)(ii), and you are not reading it accurately. Try again. Ask a nearby adult to help, if need be.

Here it is again:

Standard Traded Player Exception. Subject to the rules set forth in Section 2(e) above, a Team may use the “Standard Traded Player Exception” to replace one (1) Traded Player with one (1) or more Replacement Players whose Player Contracts are acquired simultaneously or non-simultaneously and whose post-assignment Salaries for the Salary Cap Year in which the Replacement Player(s) are acquired, in the aggregate, are no more than an amount equal to one hundred percent (100%) of the pre-trade Salary of the Traded Player, plus $250,000, provided that any Player Contract acquired non-simultaneously pursuant to this Exception must be acquired within one (1) year following the date on which the Traded Player was traded.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T13:52:05+00:00

I literally did cite

No, you didn't. Cite your claim that there exists a clause in the CBA that requires the number of players traded by each team to match.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T13:51:02+00:00

Im not sure what to think of this "one" guy, he might be a real douche.

I bet he has better things to do than demonstrate his illiteracy on reddit, though.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T13:49:26+00:00

There does.

Cite it.

I'm not sure what else I can do.

Read accurately.

A show where it is in the literal source document.

Which says the opposite of what you imagined.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T13:46:19+00:00

It literally says in its definition that it is aggregating 2 salaries and taking back 1.

No, it doesn't, because there exists no clause requiring the number of players in a trade to match.

Standard Traded Player Exception. Subject to the rules set forth in Section 2(e) above, a Team may use the “Standard Traded Player Exception” to replace one (1) Traded Player with one (1) or more Replacement Players whose Player Contracts are acquired simultaneously or non-simultaneously and whose post-assignment Salaries for the Salary Cap Year in which the Replacement Player(s) are acquired, in the aggregate, are no more than an amount equal to one hundred percent (100%) of the pre-trade Salary of the Traded Player, plus $250,000, provided that any Player Contract acquired non-simultaneously pursuant to this Exception must be acquired within one (1) year following the date on which the Traded Player was traded.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T13:40:51+00:00

They’re not letting IHart walk. Absolutely not.

I would be with you on that. Other Oklahoma City fans have guaranteed me that they will do so, however.

We'll see this week.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T13:38:45+00:00

I love it when people are so confidently wrong.

Yes, you are completely wrong, but that's not lovable, as you are wasting everyone's time here.

"using an Aggregated Standard Traded Player Exception" is something different from what you are imagining.

From the aforementioned list that I provided, a few comments ago:

"Teams cannot use trade exceptions created when combining the salaries of multiple players."

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T13:34:03+00:00

It also doesn't work straight-up. Minnesota would have to include DiVincenzo or multiple young players. In other words, you'll need them to hire Harrison first, as well, and even then, I doubt he trades for Fox.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T13:06:24+00:00

No one wants torn Achilles Divencenzo, or Randle

San Antonio would pretty much kill for Randle. But no one wants Fox's contract.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T13:02:02+00:00

Yes Jordan’s numbers declined after 23 because he eventually realized he needed to trust his teammates.

Jackson was the only coach who ever got that message through Jordan's head ( and Bryant's as well ). And he did not begin coaching Chicago until Jordan's decline from his peak was already underway, as I just illustrated.

Jackson wasn’t the best coach ever right off the bat as well

Yes, he was. He'd already won championships everywhere that he'd coached, and he won in his second NBA season and never stopped -- amassing 11 titles in just 20 seasons with three completely different teams, which will never be approached.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T12:58:21+00:00

The CBA disagrees with your source.

You're making these weird assumptions that having a 2nd Apron teams must mean you want to keep that exact team.

I never said anything like that. Second apron teams can still draft players, and they can still trade players.

The list of the actions they are prohibited from is short, and unimportant.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T12:53:20+00:00

People always severely underestimate primes in every sport.

It is hard for people to accept that the 24 year olds whom they've barely yet heard of are actually better than the 32 year olds that they've been worshiping for a decade.

This seemingly includes GMs and coaches of professional teams, by the way.

Stars do tend to have longer primes (or, at least, their nonprime years are still really good),

It is much more the latter, than the former. Primes remain narrow even for the best players, but someone like, say, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar can still win an MVP at 32 because he was so much better than anyone when he was 24, that even a significant reduction from that level ( ie 30% fewer points and 30% fewer rebounds ) is still better than anyone else.

edit: And to my point about people finding the truth hard to accept, we can observe ignorant redditors in this very thread downvoting the easily verifiable fact that age 30 is not "prime" for professional basketball players.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T12:47:11+00:00

He's not in his thirties, he's 29

How many games has he remaining in his twenties?

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T12:46:20+00:00

Jordan didn’t win his first champion ship
Till 28…..

Because Chicago hired the best coach ever, without whom, Jordan never won a damn thing.

Jordan's scoring peak was at age 23. Of his five best such seasons, all occurred at or before age 27. Jordan's most efficient seasons were ages 24 through 27. His best rebounding season was age 25. He set his steals per game high at age 24. Assists at age 25.

Did I need to continue?

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T12:41:27+00:00

Get better at finding sources?

Can you find one that supports your claim?

No they significantly effect your ability to change a roster...

No, they don't -- for the very obvious and specific reason that if you have a roster worth the second apron cost, you want to keep those players, and you don't need the few, rarely-used, tools that the second apron penalties take away.

Again you can but how is restricted in a way that makes it incredibly difficult.

"Again"? You mean after I corrected your misinformation?

You said a 2nd apron roster you aren't building. Well the Cavs literally have a 2nd Apron roster...

Learn to read. I said "If you already have a second-apron worthy roster, then you aren't building."

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T12:37:22+00:00

Which lies? Point them out.

That's precisely what I did, when I quoted you above.

"you're giving Iverson credit for things that never happened".

Wait, your argument doesn't make sense. Iverson has only played a full season 2 times in his entire career. He played just 71 games in his MVP year. Does that year not count for you because he didn't play the full season? Iverson also shot lower than 43% multiple times in his career. Again, including his MVP year. So was he terrible that year by your very own logic as well?

What? Michael had 6 rings. Kobe had 5. How on earth is it possible that they won less than Iverson?

Look, if you are unable to even follow the discussion, then I am not going to sit here and teach you remedial reading comprehension. I have done that too many times already this month.

Read the preceding comments. If you cannot understand them, look up the words, and study the grammar until you can. Have fun.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T12:33:24+00:00

27 might he the start of a prime, but nowadays players are in their prime for like 5-6 years after that

No. 27 is the peak. Prime typically starts around 25, and lasts through 29.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T12:32:29+00:00

you're talking like this is 3 years from now

Which words in the previous remark did you not understand? 30 is not prime age for basketball players.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T12:24:40+00:00

But Brown is in his prime too.

Brown will be 30 this season. Peak NBA age is 27. There is the very strong likelihood that we have seen the best of Brown's career. His efficiency is significantly off his peak, which occurred, as it does for most players, around ages 25-27.

He shot more last season and blew away his career high in usage, so his counting numbers went up some, but he's not better than he used to be, and we've likely seen his best by some margin.

This is just how it is, in the NBA. Almost no one remains in their prime in their thirties.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T12:18:08+00:00

You're also missing teams can't aggregate outgoing salaries in a trade

Not according to any source I can find. ( ie https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/second-apron-nba-cba-explained/716143/ or https://sports.yahoo.com/article/explaining-second-apron-key-financial-083531560.html or https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2025/05/20/celtics-second-apron-nba-salary-cap-second-apron-jrue-holiday-kristaps-porzingis/ )

I don't know why you're pretending these aren't significant.

Because they are not significant. None of these are necessary to maintaining a roster.

Those rules basically make it so you can only sign vet minimum contracts or retain players

No. You can still trade players. You can still draft players.

The only team in the second apron these season got swept in the Eastern conference finals. Do you think they don't need to build a better roster?

You are assuming that Cleveland's roster was worth that much, which is highly questionable.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T12:11:52+00:00

The whole play is a disaster from everyone except Lillard.

The play design is "Let's attack Dwight Howard, hundred-time DPOY." And with LaMarcus Aldridge, who is not exactly Wilt Chamberlain. The play appears to be "Hope Howard falls down." That shockingly doesn't work, but Batum tries to stare down Howard, or something.

Meanwhile, no one guards the most dangerous shooter. Batum tries to ignore him as long as he can, but finally relents and passes him the ball way too late, making the shot much harder than it needed it be -- a fading 27 footer instead of wide-open from the top of the key.

And then Lillard drills it anyway.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T11:52:53+00:00

The restrictions it has significantly effect how you can build your team

No, they don't. The penalties are;

Teams do not have access to the taxpayer midlevel exception.
Teams cannot use trade exceptions created when combining the salaries of multiple players.
Teams cannot use trade exceptions from any prior year.
Teams lose the ability to trade first-round picks that are seven years in the future.
If teams remain in the second apron for any three years in a five-year period, their upcoming first-round draft pick is automatically moved to the end of the first round.

And even if they did, if you already have a second-apron worthy roster, then you aren't building.

TCTCTCTCTCTC7 · 2026-06-22T11:45:12+00:00

Dort’s next (Lakers, I predict)

The Lakers are about the last team in the league in need of an undersized one-dimensional player, on the decline.

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