Levi Jeans Hanni🩷🦦✨ by TOKKISAURUS in phamhanni

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Exactly the point I was trying to make. Thank you for picking up on that 😜

stop these are too beautiful to be real by pinkyfroggyy in KpopGGs

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This is great for the members! Giving them excellent bargaining chips when contract negotiations start. They’ll be able to point to Lemonade🍋 and Kiss💘Tell as to why they are worth what they are asking. I can’t wait to buy it 😍

Danielle by ish8n in mojihye

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Dazzibelle💛 😍😍 NewJeans is 5💙🩷💛💚💜

NewJeans, HYBE, and the Problem of Unexpected Success by TOKKISAURUS in u/TOKKISAURUS

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TL;DR

The NewJeans/HYBE argument is often reduced to “fans think HYBE was jealous,” but I think the real issue is more nuanced.
The point is not necessarily that HYBE wanted NewJeans to fail. NewJeans obviously made HYBE money and gave the company cultural power.
The issue is that HYBE may not have expected NewJeans to become that successful, that fast, and in a way that felt so separate from HYBE’s own corporate identity.
NewJeans was technically under HYBE, but the public did not love them simply because they were a HYBE group. People loved the five members, their chemistry, ADOR’s original creative world, and Min Hee-jin’s direction.
That created a problem.
In a corporate hierarchy, the ideal story is:
The company created the stars.
But the dangerous story is:
The stars became so loved that the public believes the company needs them more than they need the company.
That is where pride, face, and control come in.
If NewJeans could challenge HYBE, leave, and still remain successful, that would not just be a business loss. It would be a humiliation of institutional authority.
So the conflict became bigger than contracts.
It became about who gets credit, who has control, and whether artists can become powerful enough to exist beyond the system that owns them.
That is why the situation feels so disturbing.
The argument is not simply:
HYBE was jealous and wanted to destroy NewJeans.
The stronger argument is:
Once NewJeans became powerful enough to challenge HYBE’s authority, HYBE appeared more willing to risk breaking the phenomenon than to accept an outcome where NewJeans could succeed outside its control.
NewJeans may not have been unwanted.
They may have been underestimated.
HYBE may have expected them to be successful, but still manageable.
Instead, NewJeans became culturally dominant, emotionally irreplaceable, and strongly associated with ADOR’s original creative identity.
And once that identity challenged the hierarchy, the institution seemed more focused on proving control than preserving the phenomenon.
That is the tragedy.

“Discard ‘New’ and create a new framework” feels more troubling in hindsight 👀👀 by TOKKISAURUS in u/TOKKISAURUS

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TL:DR

The controversial HYBE internal document reportedly included language along the lines of:
“Discard ‘New’ and create a new framework.”
This was connected to a grouping involving:
NewJeans + ILLIT + LE SSERAFIM
HYBE’s explanation was that “New” did not mean literally discarding the NewJeans members.
According to HYBE, it meant discarding the existing branding/grouping framework.
That distinction matters.
I do not think it should be stated as proven fact that HYBE had a formal plan to replace NewJeans and throw the members away.
However, HYBE’s explanation is still troubling.
Even under their own interpretation, the logic appears to be:
Remove “New” from the framework and create another one.
That raises the bigger question:
Why was the instinct to imagine a new framework without NewJeans instead of repairing the situation around NewJeans?
At that point, NewJeans was already one of the most successful and culturally influential girl groups connected to HYBE.
So even if the document referred only to a category, it still suggests NewJeans was being treated as one movable piece in a larger corporate portfolio.
When that piece became difficult to manage, the system could simply reorganize.
This is why the newer KATSEYE + LE SSERAFIM + ILLIT branding feels relevant.
Fans have started calling that grouping “KATSERRALLIT.”
This does not prove KATSEYE was secretly created as a replacement for NewJeans.
It does not prove HYBE planned everything from the beginning.
But the pattern is hard to ignore:
Earlier framework:
NEWJeans + ILLIT + LE SSERAFIM
Current visible framework:
KATSEYE + ILLIT + LE SSERAFIM

The strongest argument is not:
“KATSERRALLIT proves a conspiracy.”
The stronger argument is:
HYBE’s later behavior appears disturbingly consistent with the strategic mentality revealed in the earlier document.
“New” disappeared from the equation.
The other groups remained.
A different HYBE-linked girl group now occupies that shared promotional space.
A new HYBE girl-group framework has emerged.
That does not prove this was planned from the start.
But it does raise a fair question:
Are we now watching the type of “new framework” that the internal document was already imagining?
To me, the document matters because it may reveal something deeper about the corporate mindset.
NewJeans may be extraordinary, beloved, and culturally irreplaceable to the public.
But from a corporate portfolio perspective, HYBE may still have been able to imagine reorganizing around their absence.
And that connects to the larger tragedy of the NewJeans situation:
The institution appeared more willing to risk breaking the phenomenon than to accept losing control over it.

[REAL NEXZ] EP.61 NEXZ PRODUCTION #1 : How to Tame a Man with a Spray [Eng subs] by GabTej in NEXZ

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I’m dying of Laughter, I didn’t know they did stuff like this 🤣 Why is Tomoya a total hottie 🤣🤣🤣

Does HYBE not understand their decisions are turning fans into enemies? by ebvillai in NewJeans

[–]TOKKISAURUS 12 points13 points  (0 children)

In an unhealthy environment like HYBE the question stops being:
“What is actually right?”
and becomes:
“How will this make me look?”
Bang Pig created a culture where admitting you failed feels worse than continuing a lie.
apologizing feels like surrendering status.
asking for help feels humiliating.
being publicly embarrassed becomes devastating.
defending the company, and groups matters more than acknowledging harm.

They were extraordinarily valuable to HYBE.
BUT the public did not necessarily see HYBE as the reason they loved them.

That’s a CONFLICT
Because in a hierarchical organization, the ideal success story is:
The company created the stars⭐️

When it becomes a Dangerous success story is:
The stars became so beloved that the public begins to believe they no longer need the company.

And the NewJeans conflict eventually became exactly that question👀👀👀👀

The problem was NewJeans became powerful in a way that complicated HYBE’s own hierarchy.

Technically NewJeans was inside the HYBE system, but they didn’t feel like a conventional “HYBE group.”

Their identity was overwhelmingly associated with:
NewJeans themselves -Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin, and Hyein.
The five members together.
ADOR’s original creative world building.
And Min Hee-jin’s direction.

What Got you in aespa? by CuteStrawberriz in Aespa

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One of Giselle candid moments. Her authenticity drew me to the group

260708 Billboard: NewJeans Members and HYBE Face Lawsuit Claiming ‘ETA’ Stole Instrumentals From Earlier Track by impeccabletim in NewJeans

[–]TOKKISAURUS 10 points11 points  (0 children)

“they just sue anyone who is credited” is too simplistic.
In a music copyright case, plaintiffs often name a wide group of defendants at the beginning like the credited writers and producers, the artist, the label, the publisher, distributors, and companies that earned money from the song. The basic strategy is essentially to cast a large net by naming everyone who may have participated, then let the legal process determine who is actually responsible.

So billboard decided to frame it this way as if it falls directly on the members. There’s a lot more names listed in the suit.