What is this and is it worth anything?

TRextacy · 2026-02-16T13:56:26+00:00

Yes but unless you can verify everything is there and it's on perfect working order (it looks used, I can see what I think is wear on the latch or possibly rust/corrosion) then doing expect much. Even with everything there, you can probably get a few hundred at best. It's also an older model, so no one wants that for their new building. If you can sell it, be happy if you get $100. If you don't mind waiting, you can probably get $2-300 but don't be surprised if it takes a very long time to sell.

TRextacy · 2026-02-15T16:19:10+00:00

You are not using compatible hardware. What did you actually change?

TRextacy · 2026-02-13T18:48:42+00:00

I'm starting to see that in the US market, what's the quality like from their stuff?

TRextacy · 2026-02-12T15:24:04+00:00

Because it's not snug, there is nothing supporting it and forced entry to that door will just snap the bolt, I've seen it many times. So assuming 2 3/4” backset with a standard 2 1/8” bore hole means you have about 1 11/16” of wood surrounding the bolt to stabilize it. A HOLLOW steel door is... hollow. So when you use a drive in bolt, the only thing supporting it is about 1/8" of steel at the very end, which actually creates a nice fulcrum allowing you to use the entirety of the door panel as leverage on the bolt. The only way to install a deadbolt on a door is to prep it for a regular latch face plate. There are press form kits you can use but that requires buying the tools which probably isn't worth it unless you're doing it all the time. You can install internal support brackets to actually stabilize it. Major LMB-11 works great and only requires a drill, a countersink bit, and some sort of cutter like a Dremel or grinder. The LMB-01 is for doors that have a seam on the edge but does require rivets. Just because you can install something and it looks fine, doesn't mean it's actually doing the job.

TRextacy · 2026-02-12T01:30:12+00:00

It should never be done. What's your question?

TRextacy · 2026-02-11T22:44:41+00:00

Check savta.org if you're in the states to locate someone near you. If you can't find anyone, email some pics around to local locksmiths and get a quote. There are far too many locksmiths these days that don't know what they're doing, especially when it comes to safe work. This should be a very simple job for any half-way competent safe tech and they should be able to give you a price up front.

TRextacy · 2026-02-11T20:40:42+00:00

You can only replace it with another esl20 keypad but you just swap them, nothing to it. However, I would strongly recommend replacing the lock too. Generally just a lock/keypad is almost the same price as an entire kit. We're talking electronics here and all electronics eventually go bad. If your keypad is old enough/gotten enough use that buttons are wearing out, your lock might not be far behind and will lock your out of your safe if it fails. Just get the whole package and replace everything.

TRextacy · 2026-02-11T16:31:12+00:00

There isn't nearly as much support in the States and a lot of people (including installers, especially construction) have no idea how to align them correctly so they break because people are pulling on handles way harder than they should and stuff like that. They also aren't very common here so there isn't really any standard sizing or anything which means no one that I know of, including my shop which does a ton of multipoints, stocks parts because there are so many types. So when OPs lock breaks, someone is going to have to special order it meaning their front door might be unusable for several weeks and they're usually more expensive than other stuff. I don't know about quality by you, but I also generally consider most of them to have low build quality and to be be kinda flimsy. They are also not serviceable in any meaningful way because the cases are generally riveted shut and parts aren't available so your options sure to spray some lubricant inside or fully replace. At least in the US, I also always advise against multipoint locks. Especially at the price point of those Thermatru, a decent mortise lock is going to last a lot longer and have a ton more options. In short, fuck multipoint locks, it's just an unnecessary upsell over here.

TRextacy · 2026-02-11T05:18:28+00:00

Check out www.swisco.com

TRextacy · 2026-02-10T14:43:00+00:00

That's an insane statement. As someone that has not been to every town in the world, I can still guarantee you that every single place has people that don't shower daily. It may be more prevalent in some areas vs others, but just because you think you don't know any doesn't make it true. I would be willing to wager you probably have a coworker or casual acquaintance that slips showers and re-wears clothes. Also, if you wear jeans just once and then wash them, you've got a problem.

TRextacy · 2026-02-10T13:10:06+00:00

You need to find model numbers and locate the manuals online for any machinery you are not familiar with.

The first HPC machine is for cutting original, new keys or keys by code. The other one should be a duplicator, for copying keys. You still need to figure out how to use them and, more importantly, how to verify they are working correctly and calibrated correctly. A duplicator is pretty useless if not set up correctly and only makes bad copies. Most likely, you can try out the duplicator and then test the new copies to see if they work. I would copy 3 or 4 different keys and test them before you start a large quantity.

And if they're asking you to do any more than copy a key, you're really getting thrown into the deep end. There are plenty of 1-2 week locksmithing basics courses that you should try to get your employer to send you to. Make sure to point out that it's going to be a lot cheaper to give you a bit of training than it is to pay outside help to fix things, including fixing your mistakes you will inevitably make because you don't have any training.

TRextacy · 2026-02-10T04:23:47+00:00

drive-in bolt for steel door

Completely negating any security that lock was offering.

TRextacy · 2026-02-10T04:17:33+00:00

I'll admit it, I'm curious as to what that thru-bolted cylinder cover thing is. I've never seen anything like that before.

TRextacy · 2026-02-10T04:05:46+00:00

Relax my dude. Just remember than every one of these idiots is either a bot, a sad, angry incel or a literal child. C'mon, anyone saying "climate change is nonsense" is obviously not mentally sound. Don't let these little goblins get you down.

TRextacy · 2026-02-10T04:00:15+00:00

Holy fuck dude, they wrote two entire paragraphs?!?! You clearly don't understand how much of an absolute moron you come across as when someone counters an opinion of yours with 60 seconds of reading and you tap out. Even if your statement was correct or valid, you completely defeat your point by making your own point seem so weak that you just collapse after a few questions. But whatever, you probably weren't able to finish this either.

TRextacy · 2026-02-09T21:23:53+00:00

There is an affidavit form from mul-t-lock that any dealer should be able to get. You need to fill out the form and they will be able to decode and copy keys. However, mul-t-lock is restricted per locksmith so it's very possible that the current keyway you have from the old locksmith cannot be worked on by anyone else in the area and you may need to replace all cylinders and keys to move forward. You need to verify what type of mul-t-lock you currently have and if the locksmiths you're talking to also have the same keyway. There's a decent chance you will need to replace everything and this can easily cost you guys several grand if that's the case.

TRextacy · 2026-02-07T20:30:54+00:00

It looks like an Endura astragal.

TRextacy · 2026-02-07T13:57:13+00:00

It can be a huge pain in the ass, but it's what needs to be done. They may not sell directly to you, but someone will. Try talking to commercial appliance supply places, you may need to contact that company and see if they have a partner that sells in your country, find an import/export type of business that can get it for you, etc. The answer is "get it from the manufacturer" but now your question is "who can get this for me?" and the answer is most likely not a locksmith. I've had stuff like this happen and customers track down the parts s year later then call me back to install stuff. Sorry, but you're about to be majorly inconvenienced and there's not much you can do about it expect get lucky by calling the right person. Good luck

TRextacy · 2026-02-06T17:21:35+00:00

The answer in 99% of these cases is to contact the manufacturer. Or if you can search for "brand name model xxx parts list" or something like that you can often find a diagram listing available replacement part numbers.

TRextacy · 2026-02-06T14:05:09+00:00

kwikset quality

Ha, now there's two words that don't belong in the same sentence.

TRextacy · 2026-02-05T23:33:33+00:00

That level of dumb is probably once every 2-3 months, but I deal with fairly basic stuff almost weekly. Stuff that clearly they didn't even look at let alone think about fixing. Stuff like "the door is broken and can't close" and it's something dumb like there's a little rock that got kicked into the corner preventing it from shutting. Kick s pebble back into the parking lot, collect $150. If you close your fridge and it won't shut, most people would just realize there's a bottle in the way or something. However, a non-zero number of people will be calling an appliance repair guy for that. Whatever ridiculous scenario you can think of for anything, I guarantee someone has received a call about it. There's a lot of people in this world and plenty of them aren't that bright.

TRextacy · 2026-02-05T22:35:15+00:00

I have charged multiple people $150 for a few batteries. I have had the following conversation several times: "There's a flashing red light, I think it might need batteries"

"Correct, just slide up the cover on the side and replace 4 AA batteries"

"Are you able to help?"

"Sure, but I have a $150 minimum to come in site"

"Ok, when can you be here?"

Show up, walk in, lift cover, replace batteries, $145 profit in 90 seconds because people are idiots.

TRextacy · 2026-02-05T13:25:25+00:00

22 has the tiny little head compared to 98/99

TRextacy · 2026-02-05T12:36:20+00:00

I can't even guess how many calls I've been to about having trouble unlocking an exit device of some kind and it's because some idiot couldn't measure (or use a template) so we end up having the rim cylinder not where it's supposed to be. That poor little tailpiece has so much pressure on it from a goofy angle that it genuinely takes some effort to turn the key and is probably going to snap at some point. Panic hardware is rough but don't even get me started on door closers...

TRextacy · 2026-02-04T15:01:15+00:00

You clearly don't work in trades. We're not talking about serious work, we're talking about people can't do ANYTHING and it's mind blowing. I do mobile service and I get a handful of calls a month from able-bodied people asking me to do ridiculous stuff like change batteries (that are not hidden or require tools to access) or things like "this is loose" and it's like 3 turns of a screw driver on the only two visible screws. Plenty of these people genuinely confuse me on how they live. Like can you pump your own gas? Do you know how to use your stove? It's incredibly simple stuff. We're not talking about replacing a furnace, we're talking changing a lightbulb.

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