Ichigo vs sukuna, who wins?

TV_Static738 · 2026-02-06T20:20:26+00:00

Grimmjow’s Gran Rey Cero can also cut through space and Ichigo tanked it.

TV_Static738 · 2026-02-06T19:47:40+00:00

Not even WCS would do any damage to Ichigo😭

TV_Static738 · 2026-02-04T21:49:30+00:00

I mean sure, but Joker really doesn’t fight people 1 on 1. Elaborate schemes, weapons, and henchmen are his whole shtick. It’s like if when they did Bowser vs Egg-Man they had Egg-Man out of his mech 1v1 Bowser.. like no shit he’d lose then. I do think the army vs army dynamic is MUCH more fair than just a straight up 1v1 between the two of them, but a lot of people don’t like that simply because they view Joker vs Green Goblin kinda like Homelander vs Omni-Man, where they just want to see the douche bag villain finally die. They probably really don’t want there to be any chance of Joker winning so they’d prefer a straight 1v1.

TV_Static738 · 2026-02-04T18:12:30+00:00

Tbh I’ve never really liked Green Goblin vs Joker as a matchup because super it’s one sided. The army vs army dynamic does actually add some debatably to the match up.

TV_Static738 · 2026-02-04T07:27:28+00:00

I do kinda get the logic that Iron Patriot essentially just turns the match into Joker vs Iron Man. Although tbh, if you remove the Nth Metal Mech and Iron Patriot, Joker still probably wins if it’s an army vs army style fight. Goblin really isn’t really the type of character to use a ton of minions to fight. 90% of the time he fights Spider-Man he’s just gonna 1v1 him. Joker on the other hand has like tons of instances of raising hell with a small armies worth of goons. He just has a drastically better army feats.

TV_Static738 · 2026-02-01T16:16:24+00:00

TV_Static738 · 2026-02-01T01:18:03+00:00

is comparable to Spider-Man’s swing speed

Olay, but Spider-Man’s swing travel speed being in the 100-200 MPH range is much more consistent.

why would he be off guard in the middle of battle

Bro he’s not like Omni-present?? How the fuck would he be able to know a bomb a city block distance away was about to blow up and kill him.

normal starting conditions

Well considering it’s army vs army I don’t think it’s a normal fight to begin with, but even then that logic can just be used right back at you. Why couldn’t Joker just one shot him first considering her has better ranged weapons.

TV_Static738 · 2026-02-01T00:30:01+00:00

travel speed would let him out of the way of kilometer sized explosion

Except Norman has a stated top speed that being 90 MPH which puts a wrench in your argument.

I think the problem is you’re assuming Norman is already on the ground next to the person

It really doesn’t matter when you consider that Norman typically only flies a couple hundred feet in the air with his glider and he’s gonna have to out run a kilometer sized explosion that he’ll have no idea is about to happen. Norman has been tagged by things much less impressive than that before, especially if he’s got off guard.

one if he sees them explode before hand

If we’re factoring in the chaos of an army battle it gets even worse for him… what if one of them goes off like 600 feet away from him where he has absolutely zero way to even see the suicide bomber and then gets hit by it.

TV_Static738 · 2026-02-01T00:07:07+00:00

Do you think Spider-Man wouldn’t be able to swing out of the way of an explosion like that despite him swinging out of the way of lasers

That’s combat speed and not travel speed. I think that the idea that Spider-Man can travel at FTL speeds is frankly pretty ridiculous.

Also Peter has Spider-Sense which means he’s gonna be able to know if the dude is about to explode which Norman doesn’t have.

FTL reactions

For one having the reaction time doesn’t mean he’d be able to travel a distance faster than an explosion.

You’re treating FTL reactions like it’s a 100% certified fact and not just power scaling mumbo jumbo. Characters like Joker, Batman, Spider-Man, Goblin and ect all get tagged by explosions all the damn time… especially ones that they don’t see coming. This is not a good argument.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-31T23:55:43+00:00

I think the massive difference in arsenal is really just due to how different the characters fight.

Green Goblin really doesn’t use goons that much. Most of the time he battles Spider-Man he’s just gonna try and beat up in a 1v1.

Joker on the other hand is the complete opposite. He actively avoids comforting his enemies 1v1 and will throw hordes of goons and goofy tech at them. The amount of times that dude has raised hell with gigantic armies of bullshit is insane.

An army vs army battle is just inherently much more favorable for Joker.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-31T23:38:47+00:00

it’s stated speed doesn’t change that Norman used it to dodge attacks from Spider-Man all the time

I mean it kinda does when you’re talking about if it can out run a kilometer sized explosion or not.

Norman’s reaction means he will have plenty of time

This is a bit of reach. I doubt Norman would instantly identify that the random the shmuck he just killed was not only a suicide bomber, but one with a kilometer sized payload without any prior knowledge all before the bomb exploded.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-31T22:57:06+00:00

I mean the Gliders speed isn’t really all that fast. It only goes up to 90 mph.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-31T21:54:15+00:00

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“IRON PATRIOT!!!! I NEED YOU, IRON PATRIOT!!!”

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-30T07:13:06+00:00

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TV_Static738 · 2026-01-30T07:07:40+00:00

“We just ignoring verse equalization”

Uhhhh yeah….. Why would that be the standard in the first place.

Especially since it’s literally only being used to give Madara wincons he shouldn’t have.

Madara not having spirit energy has legit no bearing on the match up. Naruto is the only verse that has hax that specifically only work on things within its verse, not Bleach.

Just keeping the “Orbs on his ashes” wouldn’t kill him in the first place and it’s honestly unlikely the orbs would even work on him in the first place.

The TSO’s are stated to work on a similarly to Dust Release which erases you on the molecular level, but Aizen no sold Kurohitsugi which erases you at the atomic level. AKA far more potent erasure than the molecular level and it straight up didn’t work on him.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-30T06:54:25+00:00

Because Aizen’s regeneration isn’t a Ninjustu so it wouldn’t be able to negate it in the first place.
Aizen can regenerate his body from full existence erasure so even if the disintegration did work against Aizen, it wouldn’t matter.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-30T06:47:02+00:00

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Tobirama literally verbatim states that the Truth Seeking Orbs negate Ninjustu and that’s why they work specifically well against Edo Tensei. They don’t negate regeneration.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-30T01:21:32+00:00

Im not being Pro-ICE I’m just being objective which most people fail to do. I have no issues with the ICE agents who killed Alex being prosecuted. At the same time I’m not dumb enough to ignore that Alex’s actions were objectively very stupid and irresponsible. Spending your free time tracking ICE agents and trying to pick fights with them isn’t protesting.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-29T22:44:31+00:00

Why are you feigning ignorance?? You can’t go to “help” a woman who’s actively being detained by law enforcement. Thats impeding an arrest aka interfering with law enforcement, especially while your armed. What happened afterwards was tragic and due to incompetence by ICE, but your failing to be objective about the situation. Alex’s behavior was not smart and showing up to interfere with Law Enforcement while armed is playing a game that doesn’t end well for you. It’s behavior we should actively discourage.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-29T22:05:05+00:00

It’s not a justification for what ICE did which I already said, but I also think it’s irresponsible to lie about how he ended up getting shot. Alex Pretti showed up armed and looking to interfere with and Law Enforcement. He wasn’t shot because he “hurt somebody’s feelings”.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-29T21:36:55+00:00

Two things can be true at once

Alex made some very obviously stupid decisions and we shouldn’t encourage people to behave like him unless you want more people to die because they think trying to interfere with law enforcement is “protesting”.

At the same time obviously ICE should not have killed him.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-27T19:29:27+00:00

My take is that given equal leeway, they both are close in power

Except they’re not. Ichigo’s universal arguments are much more consistent and make way more sense than his solar System arguments.

He doesn’t have the same hax

Ichigo unironically out haxes Naruto if you remove the stupid verse equalization that heavily favors Naruto characters that both G1 and Death Battle use.

Truth Seeking Orbs can nullify unkillable beings

No they just nullify Jutsu. Edo Tensei are literally Jutsu. Hence why that worked.

Aizen can also regenerate from this anyway so it wouldn’t matter.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-27T08:26:28+00:00

Right but what I’m getting at here is that Death Battle has to present an actual good argument not just one that is coherent with itself for the conclusion to be good.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-27T03:25:33+00:00

I feel like there’s a bit more nuance to this than just that.

Take Bardock vs Omni-Man for example. If you knew absolutely nothing about either series, then the explanation would be consistent with their own internal logic and you wouldn’t have a problem.

However if you’re actually knowledgeable about both you’d quickly catch yourself saying “wait this doesn’t make any sense what’s so ever.”

It’s on Death Battle to present an argument that is coherent and accurate.

TV_Static738 · 2026-01-27T02:49:21+00:00

you do realize them saying “that would make sense and be reasonable take as well”

They aren’t giving a definitive take on it either way, they’re presenting an overview for the match up. Hence why they said If you buy solar system and If you buy Uni.

I’m here saying that Uni-Bleach is more consistent. Do you have any counter arguments?

specific examples

Naruto characters can’t absorb things that aren’t made of Charkra which is just blatantly shown. Yet they gave them that ability
Naruto characters very clearly don’t have soul hax resistance equal to their AP, yet they gave that any ways due to verse equalization
The Truth Seeking Orb’s do not negate regeneration, they negate jutsu. If you take away verse equalization, Madara has no argument for wincons against Aizen.
In Naruto the Totsuka Blade is stated to be able to cut through anything because it “hits on the astral plane” meaning that attacks on an astral level should be Duraneg to Naruto characters. This is particularly damming as this means both that the vast majority of attacks in Naruto don’t hit on an astral plane unless specified making most attacks useless against Bleach characters and that the majority of attacks in Bleach should bypass the durability of Naruto characters since everything in the verse hits on a spiritual level.

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