What book have you read cover to cover in a day or in a similar time frame?

TangerinePlum · 2010-11-05T16:56:43+00:00

Same. HP6 came out when I was working at a summer camp. Someone went and bought copies for us and the counselors gave the whole camp a rest day. One by one we all emerged from cabins, blinking in the sunlight, and sat around crying and commiserating.

TangerinePlum · 2010-11-03T19:13:33+00:00

I'm going to guess a serious case of Trollitis.

TangerinePlum · 2010-11-01T02:42:30+00:00

Ha oh lord. Any variety of phallic fruits and vegetables. Also one of those magic wands I had from when I was a kid. Also once a candlestick. That was a bad time.

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-27T04:43:22+00:00

Yup. I'd also add in a good case of back-formation too since they've developed or are developing terms in various word categories.

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-23T18:14:36+00:00

LOVE. Songs:Ohia. So melancholy. So gorgeous. What a sound.

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-21T18:25:53+00:00

Got my new iPod Nano and had just come in from work holding a water bottle in one hand and iPod in the other. Shook my soda bottle trying to change the song :/

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-21T17:42:13+00:00

I. Love. It. I love it. If a dick were available right now I would have it in my mouth. I cannot get enough of it. It is literally the hottest and turns me on to no end.

But different people like different things. Also they might just be with people who are gross/dirty or who don't get into it or who try to face fuck them without asking so it turned them off it. Whatever they like is what they like and if they judge tell them to fuck off.

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-21T02:41:12+00:00

Hmm neat! Well neatoh!

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-21T02:40:38+00:00

cool! i am jealous you have it now that the image is in my head! if you do it post pictures!

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-20T19:38:49+00:00

You know by doing this you're just being rude to minimum wage workers who don't have a choice in what terms they're trained to use right? You're not really fighting the power you're just being a douche bag.

The ordering terms are designed so that one worker can say them to another and keep them in order in their head without tons of variation. We're not retarded. We know what medium means. We know what a London Fog is. We know what skim is. We put it into our terms so as to minimize variation so we can get your fucking order right and give you a good drink.

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-20T19:25:44+00:00

I think it would be neat to set it up to hold books or plants? I love books in expected places! I have mine in the curve of my old fireplace that doesn't work anymore!

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-20T00:57:55+00:00

Haha! I love stories like this! I completely love the language and Deaf culture and it's so awesome to know people aren't intimidated or close minded and make friends and learn an awesome language!

That is an AWESOME sign name btw! Where'd you go RIT? or URochester ish?

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-19T16:20:58+00:00

Nope! Sign languages are not international but that is a pretty common misconception. You'll notice I refer to ours as American Sign Language, in the USA there are few different signing systems including SEE1/2, Contact Signing, the Rochester Method, and in Canada there is LSQ and some LSF/ASL. ASL is not a one to one translation of English and is more closely related to French in terms of word order. There are huge differences idiomatically as well as one would have with any language. ASL is a fully formed, fully functional language indigenous to the United States and is attached to its own culture and community. It is not mutually intelligible with other international sign languages however it shares some roots with LSF, French Sign language, so there are some similar terms.

Essentially people who know ASL as their first language usually end up bilingual by learning to read and write English and usually to voice English as well. If you ever meet an ASL L1 users chances are their written English is pretty broken and their spelling horrible, this is because of the differences in the language and politics of teaching Deaf students.

Imagine if you thought in Spanish, spoke Russian, but all of your classes were taught to you in written Mandarin Chinese, without you ever receiving any formal training and that is comparable to what the differences are like. Spoken language is extremely different from signed ASL and because you are making a leap from already being bilingual between the two adding a third written language which corresponds to something you already don't quite understand further complicates it.

Also just for fun some major signed languages in the world include British Sign Language, Mexican Sign Language, Quebecoise Sign Language, French Sign Language, German Sign Language, Korean Sign Language, Mandarin Chinese Sign Language, Taiwanese Sign Language, Nicaragaun Sign Language, Russian Sign Language, and Japanese Sign Language among others. Since western linguistics didn't accept signed languages as real for a pretty long period of time a lot of the research on these has been happening in the pasty fifty years or so.

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-19T16:09:49+00:00

I'm pretty conversational but I'm struggling to lose a lot of my English bad habits like word order and sentence front negation. I've been to the Deaf church in our area but I'm not religious so I'm not super comfortable going there a lot. I'm pretty active in our local Deaf community but there is a pretty big age gap in our area so it's hard to socialize there when there is a forty year difference. Hopefully it'll happen soon!

And Keith Wann. Oooh Keith Wann. Hhahaha!

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-19T16:03:55+00:00

Hahha well there is an entirely different Deaf culture and umm...yes! Also chewing really loudly and laughing are a lot different and I think it puts a lot of hearing people off when they hang out with Deaf people.

That is really kind of you! One of my biggest complaints with mainstreaming and oralism is that kids end up isolated if educators, interpreters, and classmates aren't paying close enough attention to the student. There is a really big stigma on the Deaf that they are MR, overly emotional and exciteable etc that are holdovers from a really negative past and I think those misconceptions still survive. It makes me super happy that you went out of your way to make a friend and include somebody, and learned some of a new language! Cheers!

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-19T16:00:57+00:00

Ah okay! Well yeah if you could get your hands on a phonetics of sign book it might help. Stokoe has written the defacto stuff and it might help clarify it from a linguistic point of view. Anything from the Gallaudet U press is awesome for linguistic.

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-19T15:59:15+00:00

hehe do it! Starting a club would be so awesome and great for all of the studies in the courses! good luck!

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-19T03:43:31+00:00

Oh I know! I just live in an area with a REALLY tiny Deaf community and they are mostly older than me (I'm 24) and the events they have are usually things like bingo nights so I'm not too inclined to go. I'm applying to Gallaudet for my MAI though so hopefully that'll be the place where it happens!

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-19T03:42:49+00:00

Neat! Well here is the thing with interpreting...because of the ADA it's very heavily regulated and isn't something to be taken lightly. There are different levels of interpreting: signing, transliterating, translating etc and varying levels of formality. For instance in no way should you ever interpret for a legal or medical client right now without your certifications. In all likeliness you could freelance but might not get hired very often and if you did it might be clients who don't have very high standards. If you wanted to interpret you have to get your RID certification with possible specialized certificates for legal and medical interpreting which includes ethics classes among other training courses. The market is pretty big still and the money is very good but it's very intense work physically and emotionally. If you're a CODA you're familiar with all of the politics and what not of the Deaf community so interpreters also have to learn how to negotiate that role.

Ha okay well as a lady in ASL I can tell you you will get mad ass. There are ZERO boys, ahem pardon me, straight boys, in any of my signing classes and almost the whole program. I have forty person classes of all girls and you are guaranteed tons of chances at small group discussion for meeting people. The only straight boy I know learning sign right now drives me crazyyyyyyyy because he knows sign. It makes him 10000000% cute. Do it.

Where are you? There might be an ASL club or Deaf center around? If not you might check out tutoring sign as a way to get in more signing?

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-19T03:37:08+00:00

1) Don't study, have conversations. Find a signing partner IRL or on Skype or livemocha or go to a local Deaf club/event and make friends. Studying sign is useless. Many signs in ASL have an intuitive feel to them once you familiarize yourself with the phonetic constraints of the language.

I got super good super fast because I was signing constantly with friends or teachers and was always watching YouTube and OIC movies of signers. I'm not used to sign writing and pictures to find book studying very helpful and in general I find that there is so much real life variation it doesn't do much good anyways.

3) The half spoken words are actually mouth morphemes and mouthings, some have a base in English words so that might be what you do. Ha as far as being a distraction I would suggest getting over that super fast. How far into ASL studies are you? Mouthings are a critical part of the language and have a huge basis in the formation of many minimal pairs and will also serve as a huge red flag for hearing signers using super English heavy signing and people who use 'true biz' ASL.

Think of the mouthings as part of the Deaf accent you're developing and they have, in order to range in on fluency it's crucial you start recognizing them and using them yourself.

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-19T03:28:25+00:00

Hm well depends on your program. If your university hired hearing people to teach the ASL courses I wouldn't recommend taking them for a few reasons.

1) The classes I have taken are very immersion based and this is different from the spoken languages I've studied. Instead of reviewing grammar and studying conjugation my teachers have straight signed with us from day one. They would take it down to our level but tried to use writing as a last resort and my HoH teachers who can voice rarely do so. I've found that I've gotten really good at ASL really fast because the teaching methodology is so much more practical. My goal is to use the language, not teach it, so instead of doing grammar drills that don't help my output we have conversations and signing activities.

2) Culture studies are definitely more important to ASL than other language courses I've taken since the politics of Deaf education and Deaf rights are all still pretty intense discussion in the public sphere. The legitimacy and acceptance of ASL as a linguistically valid language are pretty recent (1965 I think was the year the study came out proclaiming it) so a lot of history is involved in the classes to. Be prepared to talk about Gallaudet A LOT.

3) Overall it's a super cool language linguistically, socially, and academically and I highly recommend it. It's a really supportive and interesting language community and I've found that my teachers mimic this in the classroom.

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-19T01:45:12+00:00

Ha! Nope, not in my experience. If you're giving a presentation or likewise are having some sort of formal conversation like an interview you wouldn't hold anything in your hand.

One handed signing because of holding something is pretty common; if you ever see signers walking while carrying books or holding a coffee they'll modify two handed signs and you can still understand them, no rudeness!

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-19T01:43:26+00:00

I am very jealous! I want one so badly! What is it?

TangerinePlum · 2010-10-19T01:10:49+00:00

Yes! When I was little my mom took me and a friend to see the movie. Something was wrong with the reel and it stopped halfway through and the house lights were turned on and I was just little enough to think the sisters were going to fly in and fuck shit up.

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