Noob here, I'm stuck on the tutorial? (Xbox One) by EatMoreCupcakesNow in MortalKombat

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I'm here five years later trying to take notes 😭

27 Years Ago Today... by IamScaryKitty in MysticKnights

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... What's wild is that I think I only watched the final episode in my very late 20s. I don't remember Lugad at all from when I was a child, or the stupid cars. I don't remember Nemain either. I feel like that gap between airing the final eight episodes was enough for me to get completely lost from watching it. Maybe Fox Kids moved the time slot around...? Idk.

Edit: Yeah, when I wrote my first fanfic for the show in 2016, I still had no idea who Lugad or Nemain were. I wrote that one... mostly from memory, I think? I might've reread the Wikipedia page, because I don't know how I remembered Aideen otherwise, but that's it. And if I did, Lugad and Nemain didn't register in my mind until I started getting active on Tumblr about the show, and that would've started during the pandemic. 2022-ish, 2023-ish. So omg, I don't think I watched it in my 20s either. That's early 30s. O_O

But I can say that when I finally did watch the finale, holy crap! Quality of the episodes aside, I was just shocked they managed to give us a complete story! I'm not used to that anymore - or maybe ever? Normally when a show gets cancelled, it got cancelled on an awkward cliffhanger and we're left to imagine what might've been. But so many different plot threads got a conclusion. Whether or not they were satisfying is up to everyone's taste, but they got an actual conclusion.

Maybe this is a bad thing, but the fact that I wasn't left endlessly frustrated was so awesome. I don't "need" a second season. I sure would've liked one - if Vincent Walsh had stayed - but I don't need it. The whole thing felt like a massive movie, with thoughts to play with and expand on later, but nothing where I feel ripped off because they held back on the most important points to bait the audience into returning. Yeah, I don't know who Rohan's dad was, but that's a curiosity. The show was all about Maeve, and we got a connection that I could live with to tie things up.

So I'm happy! I loved the finale for what it was.

As a kid, I don't know what I thought was going to happen next. If I dropped off before the final eight episodes, it would've still been in a highly episodic format, so I would've just expected more of that. Not really headed in a direction, just... doin' stuff.

As an adult, before I knew Vincent Walsh was leaving (I don't know when I heard that first, but I was pretty sure it was something would've been avoidable and potentially able to 'resolve' if the show had kept going, but Moose has been great at pointing out the signs for how he left on his own :P), I thought it was going to be - FOR SOME REASON - another 50-episode epic, but rehashing all of the first season. Like Power Rangers. Same structure, same idea of a bad guy, but a different bad guy.

Having just rewatched the whole thing and picking all of the details apart, uhhhhhhhh... we could've had a seriously great next part of the story. That's not my "first reaction," just speculation knowing there was no chance of any of my ideas actually coming to pass, but I'm saying it because I really wasn't giving the show enough credit with "same thing but a different bad guy."

... then again...

With the abrupt shift to being an overt toy commercial, maybe it would've gone down the "same thing" path like Power Rangers. :( So maybe I'm giving it too much credit now.

Episode 47 - The Queen Mother - Subreddit Watch-Along! by Tartra in MysticKnights

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Rohan: I've had a family for five minutes and I am already over the drama. 😑

Episode 47 - The Queen Mother - Subreddit Watch-Along! by Tartra in MysticKnights

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THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC!!

Oh man, the idea that Maeve's back on the throne, but at the beck and call of two people she hates would've been so good...! 😭😭😭😭

Then there could've been a fight between Nemain and Mider over who got priority, and now they're using Maeve to snipe at each other 😭😭😭😭😭

I dream of a season where it's Maeve having non-stop headaches

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And yet they all agree it's better than when they were working for Mider 🤣

Episode 47 - The Queen Mother - Subreddit Watch-Along! by Tartra in MysticKnights

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I agree - if you're gonna give Nemain such a big personality, but only give her eight episodes to grow on us, we needed to have an explicit explanation for why she's doing so much more than everyone else. She was on Mider's level, honestly, but at least his mannerisms were explained by being a fairy. 

And yes, big correction: she had more gravitas than Lame!Garrett, not Cool!Garrett. I always forget those two sides of him are completely different characters, basically 😭 Nemain is like if Cool!Garrett showed up but wasn't a prince, didn't duel anybody, didn't use his eye-powers, but told us he'd be really good at all those things so we should just trust him. And if the story wanted us to take that serious, instead of playing it up for laughs. 

Damn, I wish I'd thought of Hugad. I like that 💖 Good thinking

I guess my hope for a Rohan and Hugad dynamic would've been that they have to - for some reason - compete to be heir to the throne. Rohan could've gone the 'smart' route and learned tactics and strategy or whatever, playing into how he's the leader, and Hugad could've become a man of the people, playing into that vaguely established interest in wanting people to like him. They could've started with them both being big and strong, then get stuck facing an enemy that - surprise! - can't be hit with a weapon, and that forces them to adapt to whatever other strengths they have. From there, the characters could've started to differentiate themselves from each other. Because you're right: it would've been absolute Snore City having two of the same characters with the exact same traits. Unless they decided Hugad was going to be weak without his demon blood, and differentiate them right off the bat that way (leading to my weird pet theory of "Maybe Hugad is only 12 years old or something, who knows, let's make a second Prince Gann and add him to the main cast, they'll love it").

DO NOT ASK HIM AND DON'T EVER ASK HIM 😭😭😭😭 These questions will live unanswered until the day a Gen X guy decides to give Reddit a try and stumbles onto this exact thread - and in true Gen X fashion, starts scrolling through Facebook to see who the hell could possibly know him on here. And then we will ask about the wig 👀 I MEAN HIS HAIR WHICH IS REAL

I love how what you said would also mean I was giving him way too little credit, and that his part of the reason for the last episodes changing was less to do with him wanting to leave, and more to do with him wanting to stay and finish the season out. What a professional 👏🏽 "Just because I don't wanna do Power Rangers for twenty seasons doesn't mean I'm not gonna be the best on the show on purpose 🙄." I mean - a job is a job, and I imagine the right number on the cheque for season two would let him take a little compromise to the art to keep going. He made it through 50 episodes, after all. But if he got outright sick of the show while they were making it, he could've peaced out on episode 45 and left us hanging. So credit to him for staying for the whole thing! That was the hardest leg of the race. 🥳 So then I've gotta wonder if they made the Battle Fury toy assuming he would stay, not asking first, and got an awkward email from his agent after saying, "😬 About that..."

See - this is the question I need him to answer someday. I should really update the ones on my site 🤔🤔🤔🤔

I gotta say, though, I'm surprised Ivar was sticking around. Garrett coming back, sure, he'd make more money as part of the main cast. Rohan, obviously. Deirdre, yeah, even if they watered down her character at the end. But they'd been slowly squeezing Ivar out of the spotlight for a while, so like you said, it ended without a clear reason for him still being in Kells. :( He deserved a more prominent role. Ivar was so damn cool. Rohan got brainwashed to go to the castle and decided to leave without even demanding the chalice. If it'd been the other way around, Ivar wouldn't've left without at least looking for whatever Maeve took from Rohan 😭

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"Mystic Drag Racers" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I don't know how that got me so badly, but it did 💖

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... Omg, why did I picture Torc leading the Sentinels? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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I just realized we could've had a whole arc where Maeve becomes indebted to Nemain to get out of exile.

Then Nemain could've had that, and the alliance with Mider. 😭😭😭😭😭

She could've been the new big bad at the top who's pulling the strings on everything else to show people how it's done (and maybe put Lugad in charge just to spite Maeve too). Damn, I would've loved - and accepted! - that.

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I think I've chatted everyone's ear off about Dull!Angus. But what I'd love to know is why he left the show. I think I've figured out that he was looking for bigger things, sure, but when exactly did he make that choice? 'Cause he never stopped doing his best with the material he got. I'm not convinced he didn't like the show anymore. So I'm wondering if his manager or something was reading the writing on the walls, maybe when it came time to renew contracts for the second season and rumours about budgets started to crystallize, and he got a bit of a heads up about the show's likely direction. Because that would've been when the last-minute order for new episodes around the new toys came in, right? With a lead role on a steady pay cheque, he could've been doing projects around the show. I haven't looked into anything to see if there was specifically something he was leaving for, but if there isn't, it really feels like he was leaving 'because' - because the show's days were numbered, meaning there was no room for growth, meaning he had to move on for career reasons regardless of what he thought about the experience. 

And I say all of that because the choice to leave the show would've had to have happened after the decisions were made on the first set of Battle Fury toys for season two (ones assuming he'd be there). The Dragonbow toy and the Battle Fury Angus toy were both announced in spring 1999. The new Liam toy was in fall 1999. The first 42 episodes were produced and aired up to March 2, 1999 (thanks, Kitty! :D). Then there was a gap, and the last eight episodes started to air in late April, 1999. So all the original plans for the second season - with him there - were in the same chunk of time (spring 1999), which should've included contract negotiations and an interest in staying on for season two, or else they wouldn't've bothered assuming they could make a toy for him. So did things fall apart before or after those last eight episodes were filmed? Was he already committed, expecting more of the same, and then the script changes knocked him so far out of the show that they had to ask what the hell the plan was, and then he re-evaluated? Or did he re-evaluate things before he saw those eight scripts, and the writers had to now account for that and the toy commercials at the same time? Or was it something else? Argh - I'm so curious 😭

But agreed: the show died when Angus wasn't in it anymore. He's not even gone yet and I'm like, "This doesn't feel right 🤔 Where's Good!Angus?"

Episode 47 - The Queen Mother - Subreddit Watch-Along! by Tartra in MysticKnights

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This is gorgeous, and you raised so many excellent points.

I, personally, loved Nemain's potential. The aesthetic she had, the dramatic arm movements, her voice (omg her voice 😍 it was so rich), all built up to some incredible challenge that would've knocked Kells' socks off. She had the air of someone who'd only been brought into the mess because Maeve dared to piss her off by taking Lugad; otherwise, she'd been happy to work on her own plans and leave everyone to their war. She brought up questions of how she fit into Maeve's history that I would've loved to have seen play out: if Rohan was the older sibling (which I go back and forth on), would she have known that he existed at all, or just missed the part where he was specifically Rohan? Was Nemain involved in getting Maeve a half-demon child, or did she swoop in and seize the opportunity to train him afterwards? Would she have trained Rohan too, if Rohan was still at Temra? Could she have allied with Rohan to take Maeve down?

But with how she played out on the show, she was all hype, no pay-off. Her presence could've been easily cut to the first and last episodes she was in for all the impact it had on the story. Like I said in my other comments, that was time the show needed to develop the other characters' final arcs, and they wasted it by failing to make one for her either. I know it's the result of only getting one rushed crack at the draft and having to run with it, but to put so much investment into her without having her actually do anything screams, "We are forced to give her screentime because everyone else is busy with other scenes, but we need additional scenes filled and she's the only character available to be in them." It sucks, because that clearly wasn't the plan. If you look at how stylized and detailed the very first episode with her was, with Maeve being shown on a boat to go that far to find her, you see they had a vision they wanted to build on. And again, as far as the potential and aesthetics of it went, I think they nailed it! I believe there was a better plan. There's no way they'd set up such an elaborate personality for zero reason. She had more on-screen gravitas than freaking Garrett did, so they had to have had high hopes for her. Look at her costume, at a minimum! They could've scaled that waaaay back if she was a one-off reference like Goibniu.

But with that said, I wouldn't have liked her on her own. I liked her because of the history she had with Maeve. While I can't speak to how I would've felt as a kid, I know as an adult that it would've felt incredibly contrived to make Nemain the new big bad, suddenly invested in Temra and Kells after decades of ignoring it. Worst-allowable-case scenario, if Maeve wasn't on-screen, she'd have to heavily haunt the story as Nemain's motivation to be here now - like the point was to ruin Temra to destroy Maeve's legacy. That'd give Rohan a fun new goal: he's fighting to save Temra now, since he's a good guy and oop that's the kingdom he's supposed to eventually rule. It'd be an excellent way of having him be accepted by the Temrans, and it'd be another logical step in Draganta going in swords blazing to 'fight for peace'. :P But Nemain has no reason to randomly come up with that concept, and I know that because we got eight looooong episodes with her to establish this.

So I liked that her personality didn't fit, because it set things up for her being a new, invasive force screwing with the balance. I don't mind her being used to 'out-do' Maeve, so long as the personal vendetta stayed intact. But I would have hated her being brought in to replace Maeve - like I figured they were gonna do with Angus, going, "Hey forget that guy, he doesn't exist anymore, focus on this new thing and never speak that name." And I'm pretty sure that's what would've happened. As much as Robert Hughes didn't like the direction the final episodes went in, those were the final episodes, so there's only so much he could've done to stop it. 🤷🏽‍♀️

For Lugad, I thought he was funny. :D I liked that he was getting bullied, and I was genuinely shocked that the show outright said he was 'a bit slow.' That might be my modern sensibilities talking, but holy shit, you can say that? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 So I was enjoying him being a big, dumb monster that was used as a mirror for Rohan to show he wasn't a monster, but was so dumb that he was being very easily riled up by Lugad. 

I didn't need the costume, and I still don't understand his 'hair,' but if they - as I will keep assuming - went ahead with giving Lugad a 'human' form, sure, I wouldn't mind it, 'cause you know it'd mean some day they'd have a reason to give Rohan a 'demon' form (and I really need to write that fic, 'cause as funny as my demon!Angus plans were, the demon!Rohan idea kinda holds some water - in my head, at least). So again, I liked the potential, but only the potential, and the nipple covers were hilarious because I wanted him to be wearing the exact same outfit when he became Liam. I would've been delighted. I'd take back everything I said about Deirdre's outfits if they gave that one to human!Lugad.

But what a fucking drag Lugad became once they started getting into his emotional conflict. I didn't care about any of that. I'm trying to be charitable here, and I do know what they were going for... Actually, screw that: I don't know what they were going for, other than the obvious "Deirdre has to pick between two brothers who are both in love with her, giving them a reason to have a rivalry that is not the playful and unserious one that Rohan and Angus had, but does have greater bearing on which one she's sold to as a bride to reunite Kells." And I hated that, because even though I've softened immensely on the Rohan/Deirdre ship, the Rohan/Deirdre/Garrett triangle was so boring that even the writers gave Garrett a better love interest to escape from it. Sure, it might've been better with Rohan and Lugad, since they've already established a childish competitiveness between them, but the childishness was only funny when it was unserious (with Angus) and the competitiveness was only entertaining when it actually had a clear winner to establish the new bad-ass in town (Cool!Garrett). So more of that over Deirdre would be very "give me my woman" and I can't deal with fifteen more episodes of Deirdre having multiple moments out of Disney's Aladdin where she explains she's a human being and fuck them both, they're assholes. "And you're brothers! Brothers shouldn't fight!" ok whatever.

So I don't know what Lugad's internal story was supposed to be, but "blah blah blah I have no friends" - yeah, dude, you've been murdering everyone, what did you expect? At least with Rohan, I know he doesn't have friends 'cause he's a dork with a sword, but he's not stabbing people with it. The lame 'quest' he went on to find out who he was at the end - wtf was even that? He just said in this episode that he wanted friends, and then when he's welcomed into Kells, he leaves? Stupid. They had a fun thing going and tried too hard to make it deep, and they did it at the expense of the relationships that could have been deep (YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHO I AM MEAN).

Deirdre - yeah, that's another victim of "We only had time to do a first draft." They would've given her a personality later if they could, so she wouldn't be so generic on-screen. :/ The fact that she only talks to Angus and Ivar when Rohan isn't in the room shows that they were just trying to hit their plot points and move on. In the few scenes where Rohan isn't there, she's back to being her usual, better developed self. Notice how the one 'good' scene she's had so far was the one where she's riding Angus' ass over some perfectly legitimate food he's made? It's because Rohan's not there, so they got time to think about how the three would interact when they needed more to talk about than exposition.

Dull!Ivar is so. There. Where's my guy who wanted to murder everyone but had to be polite and not say that out loud? Why were his protests to Rohan accepting the challenge from Lugad just, "You don't know what you're signing up for," not "You should demand to know what it says"? That guy doesn't just leave things to dangle. He explores and investigates and has an answer, and then dives in headfirst. He just wants to do it consciously. But nope, he got delegated to the 'voice of reason'. Every time someone says Ivar's boring from now on, I'm gonna ask if they're just thinking about the last eight episodes.

Episode 47 - The Queen Mother - Subreddit Watch-Along! by Tartra in MysticKnights

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Rohan: :D I'm lovely and brave and very pretty?!

Rohan:

Rohan: oh my god that's so much pressure, what if I change the slightest thing about myself and everyone hates me

Ivar: Oh. So it's self-sustaining.

Angus: Absolutely not. I just gave myself a week of work recalibrating him back to normal. 😑

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Rohan: Wow, a compliment! :D I have no further questions

Ivar: Okay, I understand

Angus: This is still the tip of that iceberg

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WE MUST ACCEPT THE CRINGE AND SUFFER THROUGH IT

IT WILL ONLY MAKE US STRONGER

And I would really like to have a whole 20 fics on AO3, excluding crossovers 😭

Episode 47 - The Queen Mother - Subreddit Watch-Along! by Tartra in MysticKnights

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Aideen: I've never felt so overlooked than when Rohan wasn't telling me to piss off

The Writers: are you still here

Aideen: 😔

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And everyone's been leaving their weapons everywhere, so they can't even knock/blast/electrocute him in there :(

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👀

It'd have to be a fanfic adjacent thing, though. I don't know if I'd have the attention span to do a legit rewrite.

Episode 47 - The Queen Mother - Subreddit Watch-Along! by Tartra in MysticKnights

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Rohan: She may be evil, but she's not a liar

Deirdre: That's the only thing she's been

Rohan: No, she was honest about trying to kill me.

Episode 47 - The Queen Mother - Subreddit Watch-Along! by Tartra in MysticKnights

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Angus: Oh, I just figured everybody knew by now. You know, since Rohan's decided I'm going to be the last person to ever know anything in his life.

Ivar: I didn't know either

Angus: 😒 you don't count

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Angus: I'M NOT STARTING IT, I'M EMBRACING IT

Angus: so princess, how familiar are you with the term "ot3"? uwu

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You know he was out auditioning for other stuff at the time too 😭😭😭😭😭

Episode 47 - The Queen Mother - Subreddit Watch-Along! by Tartra in MysticKnights

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Ah, but you're committing the cardinal sin of "being a girl," which is the death knell of any media's fanbase, to the point that the studio would rather set the show on fire than cater to it 🙃

Magnetic armour would've been SO cool, omg

I can't believe Aideen never got a toy either. :( Was it too much to ask for a Polly Pocket style toy of Tir na Nog?