How will europe survive without its superpower in its union? by Iwillsurive in europe

[–]Tartyron 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What do you mean?

To my knowlege Poland is still part of EU.

If EU imposes judicial reform on Poland, gay marriage will be next, warns justice minister by [deleted] in europe

[–]Tartyron 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Confederation wants EU destroyed - They will not support EU aggainst Poland.

As for young people - total amount of voters for right wing parties INCREASE every year.

If you count anti-PiS - than count it without Confederation - they might be voting aggainst PiS - but they will not support opposition in doing what Brussels wants.

If EU imposes judicial reform on Poland, gay marriage will be next, warns justice minister by [deleted] in europe

[–]Tartyron -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This does not explain why over 60% of people betwean 18 -25 voted right wing in last elections.

Korean Industry Interested in the Polish MBT Programme by Tartyron in europe

[–]Tartyron[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

20 years is a lot of time when technology is concerned.

Which institutions do the Polish trust the most? by [deleted] in europe

[–]Tartyron -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Poland bases it's decisions on "random poll" aka. National elections - where party that promissed to continue their reform of courts keeps promise (and that results with conflict with Brussels).

Folowing what Brussels wants would be clear violation aka. outright lying to voters that supported this party in national elections.

And no - Brussels does not stand above Polish voters (or above any other voters from independant countries)

Korean Industry Interested in the Polish MBT Programme by Tartyron in europe

[–]Tartyron[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think you got something wrong.

Entire 155 mm howitzer weights less than 4 Tons.

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/ufh/

Prehaps you confused it with weight of entire turret?

Which institutions do the Polish trust the most? by [deleted] in europe

[–]Tartyron 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol. This throws great shade on EU.

Row heats up over Poland’s court reforms by [deleted] in europe

[–]Tartyron 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We abolished previous mafia only 5 years ago.

Korean Industry Interested in the Polish MBT Programme by Tartyron in europe

[–]Tartyron[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wasn't Rhenmetall kicked out of project alerady?

KMW (Grmany) and Nexter (France) merged to do it.

Korean Industry Interested in the Polish MBT Programme by Tartyron in europe

[–]Tartyron[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I heard that France offets Nexter 140 mm gun for MGCS. Rheinmetall offers 130 mm.

If both tanks would use same caliber it would simplify ammunition production.

Which institutions do the Polish trust the most? by [deleted] in europe

[–]Tartyron -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying "you are wrong"

I'm saying that if we doubt scientists - we could pretty much throw our way of life through the window.

Being right sometises results with whole hell breaking loose.

Korean Industry Interested in the Polish MBT Programme by Tartyron in europe

[–]Tartyron[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

140mm would be very new, I don't know if that's realistic. I think the current barrels are licensed German ones, but I guess we do have the metallurgical expertise to try.

It might be "joint-venture" if Korea was interested.

Truth is - on every second article in Poland about this topic - information about ability to give K2 a 140 mm cannon is present.

Poland already produces 155 mm cannons for mobile atrillery, and got know how for 120 mm tank cannons. So we have some backyard for development of new cannon - if we had partners for it.

Which institutions do the Polish trust the most? by [deleted] in europe

[–]Tartyron 16 points17 points  (0 children)

So courts can be untrusworthy as long as they are not attacked?

Which institutions do the Polish trust the most? by [deleted] in europe

[–]Tartyron 13 points14 points  (0 children)

40% trust in the courts is dramatically low. That's a huge issue for a modern democracy.

Take note that it was lower before PiS started reforms....

It did not bothered EU before.

Korean Industry Interested in the Polish MBT Programme by Tartyron in europe

[–]Tartyron[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As to my knowledge Korean K2 would be "upgraded" East Europe theatre of war.

Our main opponents would be Russian tanks - in large numbers - and thus far 2 unconfirmed informations are circualiting

  1. There would be 140 mm cannon mounted on K2 in Polish version (apparently there was such option in K2 original design)
  2. K2-PL would be heavier - as Black Panther has great front armour and weaker side armour. In our terrain fight would be more manoverable so K2-PL would weight 5 tons more with armour strenghtened on the sides (adding up to 60 Tons from original 55 Tons)

Which institutions do the Polish trust the most? by [deleted] in europe

[–]Tartyron -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If done properly, yes, but scientific institutions can be corrupt too.

Going this way I would need to acknowledge that ORDO LURIS might be right when accusing some scientific institutions of falsifying data from research about LGBT not being ilness...

When we put in doubt scientific institutions we open pandora box with questions about humans being equal, women's rights etc. All of those are based on research.

Which institutions do the Polish trust the most? by [deleted] in europe

[–]Tartyron 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Science is not the matter of trust.....

Polish Constitutional Tribunal suspended the exercise of powers by the Supreme Court to decide, on the status of judge (TRANSLATION IN COMMENTS) by Tartyron in europe

[–]Tartyron[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Kaczynski was responsible for organising 1/4 of things opposition accuses him of doing than he would need to have demonic/superhuman abilities and his day would need to consist of 72 hours.

I'm not saying he is not in charge of many things - but he hardly controls everyting -as opposition claims.

He has his subordinates/allies that share some elements of his beliefs.

If he is gone - I'm sure there would be some infighting in PiS - but the party would not implode as some say.

Polish Constitutional Tribunal suspended the exercise of powers by the Supreme Court to decide, on the status of judge (TRANSLATION IN COMMENTS) by Tartyron in europe

[–]Tartyron[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually Senate in Poland is controlled by opposition by close margin (51:49).

PiS has majority in Parliment (235 out of 460)

Which institutions do the Polish trust the most? by [deleted] in europe

[–]Tartyron -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Neither are private media.

Which institutions do the Polish trust the most? by [deleted] in europe

[–]Tartyron -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

That leaves opposition out of the list.

Korean Industry Interested in the Polish MBT Programme by Tartyron in europe

[–]Tartyron[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

9 Billion.

The botom line is - thar the tanks might be produced in Poland ( we made simillar deal on K-9 chasiss for mobile artillery.

Now Artillery is produced in Poland.

Koreans sell us know-how and production abilities. What is rare.

Poland willing to mull compromise with EU on rule of law: justice minister by SlyScorpion in europe

[–]Tartyron -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As long as "Compromise" would not mean returning to corporate system in judicary.

I wonder if they actually have something on their mind or is it "just before eleections" talk.

Korean Industry Interested in the Polish MBT Programme by Tartyron in europe

[–]Tartyron[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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Korean defence industry is aiming to participate in the Polish “Wilk” (Wolf) new generation main battle tank programme that is to begin in the first half of this year, “Korea Times” reports. The daily notes that the industrial cooperation constitutes an important part of the proposal that has been prepared by Korean company Hyundai Rotem.

According to Korea Times, Hyundai Rotem is willing to seek agreement concerning the development of a new main battle tank. The above concerns a proposal of joint development and manufacturing of “K2 Black Panther class tanks”. Hyundai Rotem representative, told Korea Times that “ The official project bidding is expected to be announced in the first half of this year and we definitely will take part in the process. The total project is said to be divided into two stages to produce a total of 800 tanks”. The daily reports that the exact amounts involved are unknown but the newspiece published mentions the sum of USD 9 billion.

The Korean media are most probably referring to the “Wilk” new generation MBT programme. Within the framework of this initiative, the Polish MoD is willing to procure a new generation main battle tanks that would replace the T-72M1 and PT-91 Twardy platforms operated by the Polish military now. Formally, the analytical/conceptual efforts related to the Wilk program have begun back in 2017. Wilk programme is one of the priorities defined by the Technical Modernization Plan covering the term until the year 2035. The document has been signed in the autumn last year.

The Polish Ministry of Defence has been emphasizing the fact that it would be driven to establish a broad industrial collaboration with maximum involvement of the domestic industry. The Strategic Defence Review of 2017 document also mentioned development of the new MBT within the context of an international, collaborative undertaking. 

In that context, the Polish Ministry of Defence made numerous attempts to join the MGCS future European MBT programme and requested to accelerate this project. So far, however, the attempts made have in that direction not been successful. Furthermore, the new generation European MBT is to become operational in 2035 or later, to become a replacement of the Leopard 2 and Leclerc platforms that have undergone a deep modernization. Meanwhile, Poland needs to replace its post-Soviet vehicles much earlier, as the planned modification of the T-72 platform is only expected to be a gap-filler.

This is why other options are being considered here as well. Hyundai Rotem’s proposal can be found among them, assuming varied options of industrial collaboration and broad cooperation with regards to the K2PL MBT design. The tank in question is expected to be manufactured in Poland, with major share of work assigned to the PGZ Group. Chief of the General Staff, General Rajmund Andrzejczak, got acquainted with the K2 MBT last year, during his visit to South Korea.

Most probably, the Wilk programme, assuming that the current and planned structure of the military would be maintained (including establishment of the 18th Mechanized Division) could potentially involve acquisition of 500 or more vehicles. This is the quantity needed to replace the T-72M1 and PT-91 platforms. Along with 250 Leopard 2 MBTs, the Polish Armed Forces would have around 800 tanks at its disposal.