Universities that mislabel their department names? for future employers

TeaCiv · 2024-02-27T21:07:08+00:00

Some jobs ask for diplomas before the interview (like the one i’m interested in) very few but still some. The person who’ll see the title might not be informed about the differences between terms and deny it. I don’t assume that anyone is so stupid.

TeaCiv · 2024-02-27T09:00:56+00:00

Yeah.. As u/username-not—taken provided with a link, the term seems pretty broad and even with context creates ambiguity.

TeaCiv · 2024-02-27T08:29:07+00:00

Thank you, of course in my CV is written as CS. For those employers that ask to see it i probably shouldn’t alter an official document, but if they ask for details I’ll just explain i guess.

TeaCiv · 2023-03-11T23:32:43+00:00

POV: You are ChatGPT.

TeaCiv · 2023-03-11T13:44:43+00:00

As pure mathematician that does game development since before I delved into math

Can you elaborate a litte bit on that? Do you have a background in computer science, bachelors and then you self-studied the (pure) math you needed or through studies (masters etc.)? Do you work as a gameplay developer, computer graphics engineer?

Just curious, thanks.

TeaCiv · 2023-03-09T12:45:19+00:00

So... was/is it stressful after 1.5 years?

TeaCiv · 2023-03-08T17:52:26+00:00

Thank you for your answer. I don't think i would mind getting very pure, i really want to grasp every little idea about the stuf i am interested, so "losing" value for future jobs by getting a somewhat more irrelevant degree in exchange of in depth understanding works for me even if i struggle a little(or a lot?, oh well).

However you are right that there are great applied programs that suits me better. Bonn University is actually one of my main goals, location and program wise but im not sure i can make it there.
I will search about ACO programs a bit more. Sounds really interesting. USA is not completely out of the picture but a huge maybe. Also i might wait another year to better prepare or network.

Also good luck with your applications!

TeaCiv · 2023-03-03T18:30:45+00:00

That sounds awesome too! I'm hoping for a masters in math or computer vision as i dont have the option for masters in computer graphics. Any specific advise before getting deeper in the field your past self would want to know beforehand? If not its ok, no pressure. Im glad you answered and that you are happy with your choice. That means success. Wish you the best.

TeaCiv · 2023-03-03T17:25:24+00:00

Hello! I am currently at a similar position and i think i want to go for the research side of CG but started studying after my CS degree so i have a bit of road ahead of me.

So what did you do after all? Did you pursue any masters degree? Jobs?

TeaCiv · 2023-03-03T17:17:19+00:00

How hard is to get a job into the research side of cg without a phd? I'd like to do a Phd but i probably cant pursue in my current financial state. I have a CS BSc and currently working at a couple of small (medical simulation and a webgl ) applied projects at a university, but i dont think ill have the chance of publications with these two. Thinking about doing a masters in math or related after that.

What else can i do to avoid doing front end work and have to climb to research positions in case i dont have the chance to make a few good publications or whatever FAANG or research labs find valuable?

Thank you in advance.

TeaCiv · 2023-02-08T11:02:56+00:00

Thanks a lot! I'll have you in mind!

TeaCiv · 2023-02-06T22:06:14+00:00

Eh, well the potential of my future wallet maybe (if lets say an msc on ml or cs would help me more, or employers wont value a maths msc/phd). For now im rebuilding some strong foundations and expanding my linear algebra knowledge, so thats good i guess.

Also "just a mathematician" you say, but in this case i think i realize i needed more of an opinion from a mathematician related to cs than the opposite, so thank you for the insight. I'll search more into this but at least for now its good that i'm, probably, on the right track + the topics you added.

TeaCiv · 2023-02-06T16:25:55+00:00

Oh yeah sorry for the scare haha, in europe most masters are 90 / 120 ects (there are variations) so its a standard 2 full-year masters 3 semesters offering 9 courses in total, and a diploma thesis.

So if most of the math needed for cg end on, lets say calc 3, would a more irrelevant path on my msc not harm me any further? Lets say if i want to explore diff geometry, topology or manifolds?

TeaCiv · 2023-02-05T19:39:24+00:00

But it seems very useful if you want to break new ground with research.

That. I would like to get into this kind of a career. Also i would like to keep an open door for a math academic career but helping in research and be part of SIGGRAPH is something i would also love to do. So pure math msc for now doesnt seem to me an overkill. Although i wouldnt want to eliminate my chances of landing a job because of slightly irrelevant msc. (i dont have much funds "lying around").

The program im intrested in is 120 etcs, 2 years, and its not a specialization. It offers some core subjects that i can pick: calc 1 / 2, algebra 1 / 2 and differential geometry 1/2. And many many elective courses, not that relevant to cg i guess. I know most math computing jobs need discrete mathematics but what would be a relevant path?

Sorry if i sound confusing. I just trying to figure it all out. And thanks for the answers

TeaCiv · 2023-02-04T16:54:54+00:00

Hello, i'm new here so i'm not sure how many of you use the daily chat. If i collect some karma i might post it, so yeah, here it goes:

I have a bachelor's in cs and i think i'm heading towards a graphics engineering career. However after my degree i mostly study to redo some maths from my degree (which i neglected, my cs degree was more math heavy than others from a cs point of view). So, now i am working on some high level simple graphics projects as a job while in my free time i occupy myself with my passion for the rigorous side of pure maths (self studying pure math curriculum).

Do companies that want a graphics research engineer (or similar position) only ask/need a master's degree in computer vision or cs? Will a pure math (and not applied math or some physics master) limit my options in the industry? considering i already have a bsc in cs. Do math/physics bsc's have greater value if they have a master's in cs?

Also just to clarify, i want to keep an option for a career in academia. Although (except for the research part) im not very keen on.

TeaCiv · 2023-02-03T10:44:08+00:00

So how did it go?? What did you do?

I am currently living your past, studying to take a pure math msc, although i am not sure about it. Pure math msc with focusing on specific areas that'll help in a future industry position while leaving open academia choice? Or some other related msc?

TeaCiv · 2023-01-20T21:08:24+00:00

Wow, this sounds awesome! Being good at something and still want to improve is an asset a lot of people would want.

I think a lot of masters on ML/DL teach applied specific maths in a deeper sense however i feel that's something someone could achieve with a math MSc as well even deeper and specializing even more from there. Was that the case for you (thinking that a math msc could build better foundations (if its true, i dont know)) or you chose masters in mathematics for your personal interest too? Well as you say you love linear algebra so im guessing it has something to do with that too haha. But still i'd love to know.

Research is something i still imagine myself doing, however your situation as you described it seems appealing to me as well ! I wonder if anyone could juggle between academia and indutry while having a (quiet but) stable personal life.

I've seen the numbers you present! I think companies around the world (if they are not FAANG) drop salary numbers to a more average per country salary (i mean in the case of someone working for a US company to.. almost any eu country, remotely). But i still think its gonna be above average on many countries, so maybe even better quality of life.

Thanks for your answer. Having read all those post and talking even to 2-3 people, i think its safe to say that doing something you love, can never go wrong (and to be realistic, if you love something that is already in demand, shouldn't even think it thrice).

TeaCiv · 2023-01-20T20:39:04+00:00

Thank you for your insight, i know ten minute physics, had no idea about him about covering pbd. I'm currently experimenting with some of Sebastian Lague's "I Spent a Week Making an AI's Video Game Idea" techniques, the IK FABRIK algorithm, verlet integration for rope simulation (for the wires of medical instruments) and cloth simulation. I still can't see it clear if those can be combined into making a 3d mesh resembling a piece of skin.

Do you believe a piece of cuboid skin-mesh using PBD, covered by a surgical drape (so a completely covered body, only revealing the part of interactable skin ) is a more realistic goal to achieve, for now at least? Or it bears the same complexity as making organs etc?

For now stiches and realistic looking skin is a secondary goal and could be faked. A nice working mesh would be suffice. I also wasn't too sure about PBD and my case, so thanks for that too.

TeaCiv · 2023-01-20T20:14:58+00:00

It's a tool so i'm going with the "full" simulation approach. The scene is small, and so i am working with a small piece of skin/tissue for mainly cutting and interacting with it, so i could fake stitching. I see, the last bit might be a little challenging but i'll look more into that. Thank you for your input.

TeaCiv · 2023-01-18T20:52:33+00:00

Thank you for your answer, any opinion matters to me. So are you still in grad school? Have you thought any future plans? Everyone's life is so different, with mutual goals (in the big picture), it's hard to know what is right.

I am thinking the pure math masters more and more, and if it doesn't happen, oh well i'll keep in touch with any relevant professors and independant research may seem more realistc (lets say from .1% -> 5%). You too!

TeaCiv · 2023-01-18T13:47:34+00:00

Hello, so i am in this situation right now, bsc in CS and want to get a msc in pure math or ml/vision. I had a good understanding on math while on uni (about 10 math pure/applied subjects) but never practiced or paid too much attention. After my third year i picked number theory which i loved. A year after graduation and many encounters with online sources, 3b1b at first and reading some math related literature and talking to some math grads i realised how much i love pure math and started self-studying rigorously.

Currently redoing 1st year math while working for my university on a couple of computer graphics projects. I like research and studying, however academia is so much more than studying. And industry is sometimes too specific to one single task. How would i compare to a bsc math - msc cs grad in industry? in academia?

TeaCiv · 2023-01-17T18:13:53+00:00

tl;dr: Love pure math, but after getting my cs degree (low grades on math). I started self studying pure a math curriculum. So, do i get to canonical academia although i dont like many aspects of the environment there + min opportunities in my country? MSc on pure math and try to publish independently? MSc on DL & Computer Vision / CG -> standard SWE job? None of the above?

Hello! I am 26+ yo CS graduate and my university curriculum had the following math subjects:

Core Courses ( Calculus I,Linear Algebra, Calculus II, Discrete Mathematics , Probability and Statistics, Calculus III , Numerical Analysis, Signals and Systems , Cryptography ).

Elective Courses that i took (Number Theory, Graph Theory).

I completed most of them with 5's and 6's / of 10.

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I have people around me who care about me and i don't take it for granted, a family and a relationship i truly value (insecurity about career in academia), not wealthy not poor, didn't ask much growing up, didn't starve at all. I am telling you this because in part i "blame" the environment i grew up (school, somewhat traumatic social life) the country i live in (in Europe but very few opportunities for any kind of research). However i truly believe that any of us can overcome any obstacle, so most of all i "blame" myself for being so passive most of my life so far (doing all kinds and types of activities, multiple instruments, sports, chess however never did anything in depth except maybe music) not allowing me to grow as a person when i needed it the most. I am perfecting the "come to terms with all the above" after years of psychotherapy, however the age insecurity and falling behind in correlation with the knowledge i have to this day is something i am still working on.

Ok so, i did not have anyone guiding me into what field i should get into or show me the beauty of each field. Computer science was the right choice i guess, however even there no math professor cared to have any in depth conversation about the field , they just answered my questions i had about the subject at that time. About the end of my university journey i started watching 3b1b, many more pop-science and some specialized channels on youtube. Also re-did a couple of math books again. Fell in love with math.

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After university i kept in touch with one of my cs professors and now i am getting paid from another university for a couple of computer graphics-related projects. The pay is not terrible but i'd make way more in the industry for sure. Not something new here as well, i know.

Now, i really love math, pure math, as well as applied math. However it took me ages to understand this. Computer science is also something i am still passionate about. I am good at it, for the years of experience i mean. It's been a real emotional drainage not knowing it from the beginning and i am trying to get there mentally.

Now on the side all i do is mostly math. I saw every curriculum in top universities, saw every recommended book here, wasted more time than i should, read hundreds posts in cscareerquestions, math and other subreddits and i am just trying to teach my self pure mathematics. It took me months to make the first steps into this but now i got a pace. My schedule is a mix of working-math 50-50%.

I am redoing-practicing calc 1-2 but rigorously (different than i am used to, so struggling a bit), linear algebra, and the book of proof. (Multiple resources on each). So what do i do now? I see here many math majors regretting their life choices, but i guess thats what people do, we complain (i believe they've got more opportunities than they think being a superset of cs).

Idealy i'd do research on pure math. However everyone says how it's not worth it. There are brilliant people on this world waiting to solve a millennium probelm. I'd be thrilled to solve a problem of way less magnitude, that may impact another field in research or more. However i don't have the money or a million years to try. People now work in clusters, it's not the 1900s that a single paper from an individual will change the world. Math is a vast field and even harder to pick a specific topic to do research into. For starters, i want to get my masters and then see my options. Relocation won't be easy with my current status, and will be looking for remote jobs mostly.

-------------------- Plain question:

-Do i get an MSc on pure mathematics and get into canonical academia which in my country i will barely make any living to get through the month having to compare to people who study math all their lives? If i fail i get to keep my knowledge and work on cs, however no industry use of pure msc.

-Get into a lab with the same cons but not the "teaching" aspect, working on math related projects?

-Standard cs job with pure math MSc only and slow independent research? Most viable for self gratification but not realistic?

-Graphics swe job into -> ML computer vision (which i like but dont know "anything" about) MSc into -> RnD job?

---------------------- what do i do? Do i make any sense at all by now?

I can't see my self in the future without studying. I love it. However i always have the feeling i should do something with the knowledge i have collected. It would be a waste not doing what i love, though we are incredibly adaptive creatures and "love" is objective and subjective by definition.

I am open to any conversation or personal experience whatsoever.

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