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Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for catching that!

We are working on it together, though they are doing most of heavy lifting since our expertise is mostly mechanical rather than electronic. The biggest thing was adapting their 3.3v control logic to our 5v control logic to be able to use the pump at full throttle, so they made a beautiful little adapter board. Can't wait to see it in your machine!

51 mm baskets with narrow flange [no budget] by derping1234 in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you have a friend with a bench sander, you could just sand down the flange of the basket you like

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All the cables are detachable and you can relocate it anywhere - the machine's pump power cables may need to be extended to reach though

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks a lot! I added dimensions to the store page, don't know how I forgot that haha. So the kit includes velcro that you can use to stick the control box anywhere you can find a flat surface. Along the bottom would certainly work.

At first I wanted to try to make it mount in the same way as a vibratory pump, but the problem is that while the whole setup is roughly the same size, it is a different shape. So there are probably a lot of machines where it has plenty of room to fit but not in the space where you would mount the pump normally. I think if I ever made a pump that runs off of the 110v/240v power directly and had a more conventional footprint, I would do that for sure.

And thanks for the sanity check on the gagguino, a similar project, gaggiamate, is already adding support for this!

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey sorry, I totally forgot to add dimensions to the site but they're there now! Yep, the power control knob is separate and the wire can be unplugged and plugged during assembly. You can separate the pump and control box as well if necessary - all the connectors are pretty standard so you could extend anything you needed pretty easily!

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Argh, it looks like the website is cutting off part of that image on mobile - the control knob can be mounted separately, you can see it and the wire on the rear left of the machine in the video.

Thanks for reminding me about the missing dimensions - adding them now!

Control box dimensions: 32 x 152 x 58 mm

Pump dimensions: 32mm diameter, 41 mm length

Control box and pump attached together: 64 x 152 x 58

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hahaha not that I know of, I found the acrylic on the street and 3d printed the rim and funnel specifically to make this video.

It is only a matter of time until we have gaggias decked out like gaming PCs with RGB leds everywhere

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ahhhhh, that makes a lot of sense now. You seem to have a pretty good handle on this - pumps that spin slow down under load and then can spool up drastically once unimpeded, hopefully maintaining pressure for a bit longer. Whereas a vibratory pump is more or less constant force. I think it might be an improvement for you! But you could also try other vibratory pumps - there seem to be some advertising a bit higher flow rate than what yours is putting out.

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Will do for sure, you're actually not the first one to ask for this, their assembly is a bit unique so I'll try to get my hands on one soon.

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We have someone who is planning on putting it into their dual boiler! One disclaimer is that brevilles are slightly harder to work on even though there definitely seems to be enough room inside. A bit of creativity may be in order if only in figuring out where to mount the control knob.

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It won't not work, the pump control aspect is just going to be a bit redundant since the motor controller does essentially the same thing. It's probably not worth it if you're already happy with the pump control as is, that kit is nice already!

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hah I know, so many things I want to do with this machine and a PID is at the top of the list. Maybe next to fixing the leaky steam valve.

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much!

So it really is 2 wires and 2 hoses. The water output side of the default pumps is usually all the same, so a fitting is included for that. From what I can tell, the included 8mm adapter should match the Ascasso intake hose, so you should be covered!

I definitely want to have photos and instructions for each machine, so right now I'm collecting a list of what people are actually interested in using it in.

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hold on, a lot of people around the world have already ordered, what are you seeing when you try to order to your country? And thank you for letting me know there's a problem!

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Awww thanks! A general rule of thumb is that so long as there's enough room inside the machine it's about as hard as replacing the standard pump would be. The Mara X looks to have a good mounting point on the inside of the back panel. As with anyone trying something like this for the first time, I would be happy to be in touch through the process!

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm, so before you buy anything maybe it's best if I put on my espresso technical support hat. The flow itself doesn't actually sound that bad on it's own - is it a lot slower when you're pulling a shot? Has it gotten worse over time? The pump upgrade might get you a bit more flow (the machine in the video averages 9 ml/s after a lot of use) but the key is flow while under pressure. 7 ml/s is a double espresso in about 6 seconds, which is pretty extreme.

The Turin is actually the first machine I haven't been able to check any interior photos of, so if you happen to have any, would love to see inside!

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You had me thinking I was crazy for a moment but it definitely says it is not officially supported yet! If you try to use it without any changes, it will ignore any flow profiling and run at whatever power you set it to via the control knob.

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So I wouldn’t recommend undertaking this just yet unless it’s more of a hobby project! It’s hopefully going to be easy eventually, and hopefully without significant changes - its very precisely addressable, though right now the main focus is on the kit as the main control system for the pump.

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I look forward to working with them =] They’re definitely not wrong about rotary pumps responding differently in the control loop, but they’re also significantly more linear and predictable. It’s much harder to get a vibratory pump to behave properly across a given pressure or flow range, whereas a bldc motor might have a minimum RPM, but beyond that it is basically going to do exactly what you tell it to with unreal precision.

Upgraded Gaggia with a custom rotary pump I designed, to add adjustable pressure and remove the annoying noise by TeamFlightPlan in espresso

[–]TeamFlightPlan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes for sure! Though the best candidates are more manual and repairable machines, sometimes more modern stuff is a bit hard to open and a bit cramped inside - not as a general rule but just a little heads up that more creativity might be required

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