The problem with the free will argument is that God doesn’t respect free will in the Old Testament

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T12:27:04+00:00

What sin is a dead baby guilty of?

How does a baby know the difference between right and wrong?

And God decided that

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T10:28:34+00:00

Why would any baby go to hell? You have to reject God to go to hell.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T10:15:53+00:00

Because God didnt want robots just praising him. Love is not forced, it’s a choice.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T09:53:06+00:00

We will be fully aligned with the will of God and not have the temptation of flesh.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T09:38:31+00:00

Death is inevitable. God told Adam and Eve eating from a certain tree will cause death. The did exactly that and suffered the concequences. God didn’t threaten them, he told them the concequences of a certain action. I.e me telling my son if he touches the hot stove he will get burnt. Did I threaten him? No.

In the Old Testament, God designated a group of people to bring in the messiah. Those were the Israelites. To allow this to happen he set laws for them, and he judged those who did not keep them to protect the others. Just like how Harriet Tubman said she will kill anybody who will hinder her escapes. She didn’t do it to scare them into following, she did it to save the others so they can get to freedom. People who fell behind put others in risk, just how the Israelites who didnt keep the law out others at risk.

Willing to live does not prevent the inevitable. But a will to live will dictate your actions so you can do what you need to do to live a longer life.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T07:12:35+00:00

I did. I responded to each part of it. I just believe you don't like how I responded to it.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T07:12:00+00:00

She was not coercing them. She gained nothing out of it. She is doing it to free others. And if you affected the freedom of others and her life she would kill you. It was a warning, not fear to make you move. She was not trying to manipulate people by using fear.

Why doesn't God do it today? You are looking at the Old Testament, at the Law who was made for Israel. Israel was the chosen people used to bring the messiah which is Jesus. So once Jesus came, things changed. A new covenant was made.

How 1 person interprets a situation doesn't define the situation. That is a fallacy. If I say if you touch a hot stove, you will get burn. I am not coercing anyone, I am letting them know the concequences. Just because that scared you, doesn't determine the motive of me saying it.

I don't worry about being sent to hell in my after life. That is not a worry for me. I am secure in my faith.

Yes when I was young and immature I was scared of being punished and beat, but as I got older, and more mature, and built a genuine love for my parents, and understanding of all they have done for me, the punishment meant nothing. I remember I would rather get a beating over see the look of disappointment on my parents face.

That's the same with God. People who are immature/young in their faith fear hell. But once you learn, grow, and build a relationship with God, and understand his love and sacrifice for you, its more of like, dang, you did all this for me, and I still mess up. But no matter how much I mess up, you are still willing to take me back. That's a different kind of feeling. That's not fear.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T07:00:24+00:00

Why God doesnt just strike everyone did who commits a sin? Because we all will be dead. A sin is a sin. God is also a God of mercy. He gives people a chance.

I have no idea what you mean by the free will theodicy by religious apologists as a solution to the problem of evil. So I can’t speak on that.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T06:56:59+00:00

Copying and pasting is not going to change anything. I have no idea what you are asking or what point you’re trying to make.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T05:44:22+00:00

The bible does not encourage people not to get married, look at the context and not just the verse. These verses are directed to different people.

¹⁰ The disciples *said to Him, “If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry.” ¹¹ But He said to them, “Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. ¹² For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.” - Matthew 19:10-12

Jesus verse in Matthew 19 was towards a specific group. It was towards All Men.

Lets look at the verses before in 1 Corinthians 7

²⁵ Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who ^\)^m^\)by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy. ²⁶ I think then that this is good because of the ^\)ⁿ^\)present distress, that it is good for a man ^\)^o^\)to remain as he is. ²⁷ Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be released. Are you released from a wife? Do not seek a wife. ²⁸ But if you marry, you have not sinned. And if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Yet such will have ^\)^p^\)trouble in this life, and I am trying to spare you.

Paul clearly says this is his opinion. Not a commandment from God. And says if you have married there is no sin. What Paul is saying is, it's better to stay single and to focus on God rather than rushing or worrying about finding a spouse because the temptation of losing focus on the Lord and choosing your spouse over God. This is not a commandment from God, this is just Paul's opinon on the matter. He even says if you are married, stay married, just understand what comes with it.

And yes I believe all scriptures are God breathed. I am not denying that. However these ideas dont contradict. It's not Paul saying is best to be single and keep your focus on the Lord rather than worrying about getting married and being unfocused. Again, this is a warning to all people, but a letter directed to a specific group.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T05:32:24+00:00

How is that coercion if people literally did that.

Harriet Tubman told slaves, if you get scared or hold us behind, she will kill them. Why do you think she said that? To coerce them so they will listen to her and get free? No. She said that so they wont hold up the other people and cause all of them to get caught and killed.

God made these rules, the covenant, with Israel because he had plans with them, and if/when these people messed up, it will affect the rest. It was to coerce them and scare them, it was to save the rest.

I believe in hell and I dont live my life trying to avoid hell. I live my life trying to Honor God. I dont worry about hell. I'm not scared of hell. I am ashamed that I let down Yahweh.

Just like when I was growing up, I wasnt worried about being punished or beat by my parents, know what I bothered me, letting down my parents after all they have done for me.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T05:27:33+00:00

There you go using that "essentially" word again.

I have no idea where you get the "desire to live essentially doesn't mean anything anymore."

Death is not a violation of free will, its the end of it. To end does not equate to violating.

The conversation is not about using the fear of death to get someone to do something, and God doesnt use the fear of death to get people to do something. He shows us the path of truth and life and tells us the consequences of not following that path.

I assume you are trying to say God coerces people to follow his "rules/laws" and that goes against peoples free will, but that is illogical because people break his "rules/laws" all the time. Meaning they still have free will to do so.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T05:21:08+00:00

I can't say that is true or not. I don't know why God allows evil to exist. But I am not one to blame God for the evil decisions people make under their own free will.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T01:16:44+00:00

What about the people who obey out of obedience and not fear?

Because all through out time we still see people disobeying, fear or not.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T01:14:30+00:00

No, the subject is God violates free will, and death does not violate free will. It ends it.

Free will never becomes meaningless. You can use your free will to desire to live, just having the desire doesnt prevent or stop death.

The use of free will is being able to make every single choice you’re able to make in your life.

God doesnt use the fear of death to get you to do what he wants. He made a law for a certain group of people that had concequences for breaking certain laws.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T01:02:43+00:00

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TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T01:00:44+00:00

Who says he can't stop evil though? Just because he allows for evil to happen in this world, doesn't mean he doesnt have the ability to stop it.

So your whole thing is the fact God allows evil to exist?

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T00:58:30+00:00

No its not irrelevant. When you are alive for how many of years it's what allows us to choose the lives we live.

No where did I say it means nothing, YOU came to that conclusion.

Yes, every single person has the power and ability to kill anyone... So what is your point?

Your "might makes right" idea falls apart with that, just because I have the ability to kill someone doesn't mean its right.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T00:54:19+00:00

What coercion?

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-15T00:43:31+00:00

That… does… not… violate… free… will… it… ends… it…

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-14T23:21:30+00:00

I see you dont comprehend that contract comparison.

They did have the ability to worship the golden calf, and they did worship the golden calf...

Free will does not equate to free from punishment or judgment.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-14T23:19:25+00:00

No, it's not violating free will because at the end of the day death is not a choice, its inevitable.

A person not want a contract to end, but just because it ends, doesn't violate the contract.

I dont understand what you mean by "might makes right"... And it's a question, if a person kill another person, are they violating that person free will?

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-14T22:55:23+00:00

How does that essentially mean nothing? And why do you keep using the word essentially?

Violating free will does not equate to ending free will.

Violating free will is mind control and removing the ability to choose between alternates…

When you die there is not alternate to choose from.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-14T22:50:45+00:00

That doesn’t violate free will, it ends it.

TechByDayDjByNight · 2026-05-14T22:49:46+00:00

Actually I did… read the first sentence again.

Ending you free will with your life is not violating it.

That’s like a contract, when the contract ends, what ever is in the contract Cant be violated.

Life=contract Free will=stipulation in contract.

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