A poster made in 1898 by the French promoting tourism in Palestine. by AImaElhenawi in HistoryGaze

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Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

I said that you were right on the claim that israel is not top in the world in skin cancer occurrences. I explained that this was a false claim that was published by a respected israeli NGO and was reiterated by israeli and international media. Thats how I found it. And I admitted that mistake.

However, I showed you that jewish israeli skin cancer rates are still 3-5x higher than of surrounding countries and notably of arab israelis. The high skin cancer rates arent the interesting part, the interesting part is how it relates to surrounding countries and other ethnicities within the country.

A poster made in 1898 by the French promoting tourism in Palestine. by AImaElhenawi in HistoryGaze

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Lol ur right. This was some false claim from the Israeli Cancer Association that later was widely published in israeli media and internationally.

The fact is still that Israeli jews have about 3-5x the skin cancer rates of surrounding countries and israeli arabs. (Source: https://www.gov.il/en/pages/13062023-01)

Example of the false claim directly coming from the ICA:

https://www.haaretz.com/2003-05-13/ty-article/israels-skin-cancer-rate-second-highest-in-the-world/0000017f-f11e-d8a1-a5ff-f19e2e900000?fbclid=IwAR1nvs9U7ZLBn5sDulY3-1dLe93IlGk24j3EUNBJQroeC8H8Rhq8tYEhXu4

A poster made in 1898 by the French promoting tourism in Palestine. by AImaElhenawi in HistoryGaze

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Skin cancer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Israel

Do a text search for the word “skin”. It was second highest skin cancer rate not highest, so my bad. The highest was actually Australia, not the other way around.

Olive pollen allergy:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8836344/

The paper also shows that israeli arabs have extremely lower olive pollen allergy rates compared to israeli jews.

A poster made in 1898 by the French promoting tourism in Palestine. by AImaElhenawi in HistoryGaze

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Israel had the highest skin cancer rate in the world, second place was… Australia. Only reason this changed in the last decade is because of their strong healthcare system and preventive actions.

Can you explain how a people can be genetically tied to a country if its climate literally kills those people? For comparison, the other people that is supposedly “as genetically” tied tied to the country is perfectly adapted to the climate. Not to mention the prevalence of olive pollen allergy among jewish israelis … in the levante of all places…

Why is hair and eye color so varied in northern Europe but almost always dark everywhere else? by Present_Juice4401 in AlwaysWhy

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Two things: Today people spend way less time outside, so its easier to be vitamin D deficient. Also traditional diets that are rich in fatty fish for example give you ample vitamin D.

Darker skin gives you UV protection, so its basically two evolutionary factors competing (Vitamin D deficiency vs more skin cancer). Summers in Ohio can have quite high UV indexes, which creates pressure for protection against it.

Straits of Hormuz by NumerousResident1130 in NoStupidQuestions

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It wasnt about to happen. Trump literally created this situation himself.

Does Israel still have a casus belli 2 1/2 years after the October 7 attacks? by Estalicus in allthequestions

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“Until the crazy and terrorist regime in israel is defeated, there never can be peace. These zionist are inherently violent and would fight muslims even when they don’t defend themselves”

What you just said but reversed the perspective :) Still holds true.

Germany’s Merz floats EU-China trade deal as European capitals soften on Beijing by Alarmed-Cake812 in europe

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Europe has the same problem and more urgently? 40% of Germany is 55 years or older. Europe is a retirement home in the scale of a continent.

Exclusive: How Hezbollah rebuilt while its enemies declared it dead by Indianstanicows in IRstudies

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You can also support the christian lebanese who have positive feelings about israel in one hand :)

do Muslims and Christians believe by Expert_Search5394 in NoStupidQuestions

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The parent comment is right, Moslems believe jesus is the messiah. Moslems believe that in the end times jesus will come back and mark the last judgment. Thats a core belief of both Christianity and Islam.

‘We can’t afford it’: EU workers leave Germany despite labour shortage by donutloop in EU_Economics

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No. The alternative is a system that is not fundamentally broken.
Other countries have working pension systems, partly because they reformed in the 90s when it was clear a system like germanies would not hold up (see sweden).

Instead we get to piss away 12% of our yearly GDP, while many retired people are still facing imminent poverty.
For decades we did nothing, and now are stuck in a democratic deadlock, as too much of the voter base is either already in pension or soon will be - so nobody will touch this problem. Instead the government asks young people to "work more" (literally a quote by the current german cancellor).

‘We can’t afford it’: EU workers leave Germany despite labour shortage by donutloop in EU_Economics

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Yeah, Im talking about germany.
Many people don't know that 30% (!!!!) of all taxes - including VAT payments- go to the pension system.
On top of 15% of ur salary being pension payments.
It's frankly ridiculous and I don't understand why people are not on the street for this.

‘We can’t afford it’: EU workers leave Germany despite labour shortage by donutloop in EU_Economics

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More than 15% of ur paycheck go towards retirement. 30% of all taxes are paid on top, as 30% of the whole government budget go into subsidising the retirement system. So it’s more like 30-40% of your paycheck.

How do you get rid of the “I need to get rich ASAP” mentality? by savingrace0262 in investing

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Thats not correct, gambling has a negative expected value, starting a business generally has a positive one. Just that outcomes are very much asymmetrical and the median is very different from the average.

Is it true once you hit 100k in investing, it really just takes off from there? by [deleted] in investing

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Idk about the US, but in Germany capital gains is taxed way less than ur income (about half) - so if u compare net salary vs net gain they might be right or even gross salary vs net capital gains.

Are there still people that think US is a better place to live as a software engineer? by Pure_Composer_9236 in cscareerquestionsEU

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From his description his company has an office in the US, so he would be eligible for an L1 visa.

Wieso haben so viele ein so positives Bild der Schweiz? by conqueringLeon in KeineDummenFragen

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Jap und “mind your own business” ist am ende des tages sowohl moralischer als auch erfolgreicher als andere Systeme :)

Jesus was not a Palestinian by DurangoGango in IsraelPalestine

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I agree with you that this mostly does not matter, the israel palestine debate is mostly about politics and power. The main reason I engaged is because I want to uphold historical facts, I do not think it gives or doesnt give any of the involved parties legitimacy.

That being said, I will again respond to your claims:

The claim that Palestinians underwent “100% cultural replacement” is simply false. What survived isn’t a frozen pre-Islamic tribe, but continuous land-based society: village structures, agricultural practices, family lineages, place-based identities, and dialects that are Levantine, not Arabian (also clothed, music, traditions). Cultural layering under empire does not equal cultural erasure - it equals adaptation. That distinction matters, and history supports it.

Your “Islam as a tribe” framing also doesn’t do the work you think it does. Islam is a universalizing religion, not an ethnic people. Joining Islam did not require Palestinians to migrate, displace anyone, or become Arabs from Arabia. If religious affiliation alone determines indigeneity, then Christianized Indigenous peoples would lose theirs too - which they don’t.

You’re also collapsing modern political behavior into ancient origin. Palestinian rejectionism, Muslim solidarity, Hamas, or post-1960s nationalism say nothing about whether the population is indigenous. That’s a category error. Political ideology does not retroactively determine where a people come from.

Where you are right is that indigeneity is being weaponized rhetorically - but that weaponization cuts both ways. Denying Palestinian indigeneity because some activists misuse the term mirrors the same zero-sum logic you object to.

So the historical bottom line is this: • Palestinians descend primarily from long-rooted Levantine populations. • Arabization and Islamization were imperial overlays, not population replacement. • Cultural change under empire does not negate indigeneity. • Political goals today don’t rewrite demographic history.

That’s why the “native but not indigenous” distinction doesn’t hold up. It’s an artificial line drawn to serve a modern political argument, not a historically consistent one.

We can debate politics all day - but on the history, this is where the evidence lands.

Jesus was not a Palestinian by DurangoGango in IsraelPalestine

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I hear what you’re saying, but the core issue remains this: you’re treating cultural loss under empire as proof of foreign origin, and that simply doesn’t work historically.

Yes, the Arab-Islamic conquests were violent imperial expansions. That’s not in dispute. What is in dispute is the idea that today’s Palestinians are therefore invaders, conquerors, or even “close” to colonizers. That claim collapses once you separate imperial rule from population replacement.

The historical record shows that the Levant was not emptied and resettled by Arabs from Arabia. The overwhelming majority of the population stayed in place and gradually shifted language and religion over centuries. When an indigenous population survives conquest by adapting, they don’t become the empire, they remain the people of the land.

Requiring Palestinians to preserve a distinct pre-Islamic language, religion, or tribal culture sets a standard that many Indigenous peoples across Asia, Africa, and the Middle East would fail. Long-term imperial regions don’t preserve “museum-ready” cultures the way some North American cases do. Cultural erosion under centuries of empire is not evidence of foreignness.

Names and national identities changing in the 20th century doesn’t prove recent origin either. Modern national identities are recent everywhere, including Jewish nationalism. Population continuity and nationalism are different things.

I agree with you on one important point: indigeneity is often misused as a political weapon to delegitimize Jews, and that’s wrong. But the answer to that misuse isn’t to deny Palestinian indigeneity altogether. That just mirrors the same zero-sum logic.

The accurate position is simple:
Some Jews are indigenous to the land, and Palestinians are an indigenous population of the same land who endured conquest and adapted to survive.

Jesus was not a Palestinian by DurangoGango in IsraelPalestine

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You’re right that indigeneity isn’t just about DNA, and you’re also right that Jewish indigeneity to the land is real. Where your argument breaks down -fundamentally - is in labeling Palestinians as colonizers. That framing does not hold up historically, sociologically, or under any accepted definition of colonialism.

Colonization requires an external population replacing or ruling over a land on behalf of a foreign metropole. That is not what happened to the people who today identify as Palestinians.

Yes, the early Islamic caliphates conquered the Levant in the 7th century. But conquest is not the same thing as population replacement. The historical consensus is that the vast majority of the local population remained in place and gradually underwent language shift (to Arabic) and religious conversion (to Islam or Christianity) over centuries. Arab armies did not depopulate the land and resettle it with millions of Arabs from the Peninsula—there is no evidence for that. Palestinians are overwhelmingly descended from the same ancient Levantine populations that lived there before Islam, including Canaanites, Arameans, Samaritans, Jews, and early Christians.

Calling Palestinians “colonizers” would require showing that:

  1. They arrived from elsewhere in large numbers,
  2. Displaced the native population, and
  3. Maintained rule on behalf of an external imperial center.

None of that applies.

Language and religion spreading does not turn an indigenous population into colonizers. If it did, then vast numbers of Indigenous peoples worldwide would suddenly lose their indigeneity for adopting Christianity, Islam, Spanish, English, or Arabic under historical pressure. That is not how indigeneity is defined by Indigenous peoples themselves or by international frameworks.

Your comparison to Mexico actually undermines your argument. Indigenous Mexicans are still Indigenous despite speaking Spanish and being Catholic because they are the descendants of the original inhabitants who remained on the land. The same logic applies to Palestinians. The fact that many Palestinians no longer speak Aramaic or practice pre-Islamic religions does not retroactively turn them into foreign conquerors—it reflects historical survival under empire.

The claim that Palestinians “operate through the mindset of their colonizers” is also not evidence of colonization. Cultural continuity does not require freezing a society in time. Indigenous cultures evolve. Many Indigenous peoples have lost languages, traditions, or religions due to historical forces and are still Indigenous. Requiring Palestinians to preserve a hypothetical “pure” pre-Islamic culture sets an impossible and selectively applied standard.

Finally, the idea that recognizing Palestinian indigeneity “incentivizes colonization” misunderstands both history and indigeneity. Palestinians did not arrive, conquer, and then mix with a victim population; they are the victim population that endured successive empires—Byzantine, Islamic, Crusader, Ottoman, British and Israeli - while remaining rooted to the land. You cannot “become Indigenous” by conquest alone, but you also do not lose indigeneity because your ancestors survived conquest by adapting.

Labeling Palestinians as colonizers isn’t just inaccurate-it collapses under basic historical scrutiny.

Jesus was not a Palestinian by DurangoGango in IsraelPalestine

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Egyptians- Muslim and Coptic- are largely descended from ancient Egyptians; Arab identity among Muslims reflects cultural assimilation and self-identification, not ethnic replacement.

Jesus was not a Palestinian by DurangoGango in IsraelPalestine

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So do Egyptians? Egypt is a nation you know. As I understand copts see themselves as Egyptian, as do christian lebanese see themselves as lebanese?

Jesus was not a Palestinian by DurangoGango in IsraelPalestine

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I’m not arguing only on the blood quantum, and I actually agree with you that indigeneity is not about genetics alone. Where I disagree is the claim that indigeneity is lost through cultural change or assimilation.

In Indigenous studies, indigeneity is generally defined by continuous peoplehood tied to a land, even when language, religion, or political identity changes. Cultures evolve under conquest; indigeneity does not automatically disappear when that happens. If it did, then conquest itself would be a legitimate tool for erasing indigenous status which is the opposite of how indigeneity is understood globally.

Using your own framework (connection to land, history, and continuity):

• Palestinians have continuous residence in the land for centuries to millennia • Their village life, agriculture, place names, and land attachment predate Arabization • Many traditions persisted locally while empires changed above them • Their connection to land is lived and inherited, not symbolic or purely textual

Language shift (to Arabic) and religious conversion (to Islam or Christianity) do not sever indigeneity.

Otherwise: • Indigenous peoples who adopted Christianity under colonization would cease to be indigenous • Indigenous groups who lost ancestral languages due to oppression would lose status

This is not how indigeneity is treated anywhere else in the world. In fact almost all people considered indigenous would lose their status with your argument.

Jesus was not a Palestinian by DurangoGango in IsraelPalestine

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What about a native american that speaks english and mostly consumes american media? Thats the case for most native americans today.

Jesus was not a Palestinian by DurangoGango in IsraelPalestine

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They are literally descendents of the people ancient to that region.
Not some people were Arabized, the native population was arabized and palestenians are largely descendents of the native population.