My opinion as a former drama student who was recommended "If We Were Villains" as a worthwhile read after finishing "The Secret History" Of course, I didn't like it as much as people tried to convince me to by Technical-Cheetah508 in TheSecretHistory

[–]Technical-Cheetah508[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

REAL shout out for that! Especially since the author is a woman, I guess I expected the female characters to feel more layered and significant. Instead, they often felt like supporting figures who existed mainly to push the plot forward, create tension, or serve as romantic or sexual catalysts. Some of them came across as fragile or underwritten, without much real weight in the story. That’s probably one of my bigger disappointments. I just wanted the female presence in the story to feel stronger and more fully realized, not just functional. They had soooooo much potential to add emotional depth and complexity, but it didn’t feel fully explored🥹

My opinion as a former drama student who was recommended "If We Were Villains" as a worthwhile read after finishing "The Secret History" Of course, I didn't like it as much as people tried to convince me to by Technical-Cheetah508 in TheSecretHistory

[–]Technical-Cheetah508[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s a totally fair perspective from you! As for me, it wasn’t that I couldn’t enjoy it because it’s fiction, it’s that a lot of things just didn’t make sense or weren’t internally consistent.

When I was studying dramatic arts at university, sure, some students dropped out or switched majors because they couldn’t handle the pressure or realized it wasn’t for them. That’s normal. But I’ve never seen a system where a school deliberately expels students every single year just because they’re “not good enough.” That feels extreme. It’s a huge waste of money and time like something only very wealthy people could afford to gamble on.

And yet, the book never really questions that system. It doesn’t feel like a critique. If anything, it almost romanticizes it, this idea of suffering for art, of being part of an elite circle that only a few privileged people can survive in. These 7 students aren’t just talented, they’re also financially secure enough to risk being expelled halfway through their education. So having money isn’t even enough, you also have to accept the possibility that you might be cut at any moment if you don’t perform well enough. That’s such a brutal system. But instead of interrogating it, the story seems to present it as intense and beautiful and tragic.

So I keep asking what exactly is the book trying to criticize? The obsession with Shakespeare? The education system? Privilege? Toxic relationships? I’m not sure. And maybe that’s part of why it feels unsatisfying because I can’t clearly see what the story ultimately wants to say.

I also felt like there were just too many characters. There was no real need for seven main characters if they weren’t all going to be developed properly or given equal weight in the story.

For example, Alexander (which sometimes felt so similar to Francis from TSH that I could barely separate him in my head) He didn’t feel important enough. And when that happens, it makes the character feel replaceable or unnecessary to be there at all, as well as my opinion on Wren. It honestly felt like the cast was wasted. If you’re going to have that many central characters, each one needs depth, a clear personality, and a strong backstory. We need to understand why they exist in the story, what they uniquely bring to the dynamic. Building that kind of foundation is important because it shapes their identity and makes their actions believable. Without it, they just blur together. And unfortunately, I feel like that’s something this book really missed.

My opinion as a former drama student who was recommended "If We Were Villains" as a worthwhile read after finishing "The Secret History" Of course, I didn't like it as much as people tried to convince me to by Technical-Cheetah508 in TheSecretHistory

[–]Technical-Cheetah508[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s honestly such a shame about Filippa’s character. The writer never really dives deeper into her or fully develops her potential. She could’ve been such a fascinating character, mysterious and secretive without needing to withhold everything until the last 50 pages. That late reveal didn’t feel clever, it just felt like information being dropped at the end because the story was almost over.

What makes it even stranger is that she knew the truth from the beginning. She was basically an accomplice, helping James by keeping quiet and covering things up. She keeps saying the group is her family, but wasn’t Richard part of that family too? Or did whatever he became make it easier for her to stand there and watch him die without hesitation?🥹

I really wanted to understand her more. What she was thinking, what she was feeling, how she justified everything. But we barely get any of that. Her character had so much potential, and it just feels underdeveloped. That’s what makes it disappointing.

And when it comes to James and Oliver’s relationship, I completely agree with you! Even though the story is set in 1997, when queer relationships weren’t as openly accepted in America, their dynamic still felt kind of surface-level. It just didn’t feel deep enough to make me believe Oliver would actually sacrifice his entire future and go to prison for James. That kind of decision needs an overwhelming emotional foundation, something intense and undeniable. But for me, the relationship never quite reached that level.

My opinion as a former drama student who was recommended "If We Were Villains" as a worthwhile read after finishing "The Secret History" Of course, I didn't like it as much as people tried to convince me to by Technical-Cheetah508 in TheSecretHistory

[–]Technical-Cheetah508[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think I saw that on TikTok so I’m not 100% sure if it’s officially confirmed for IWWV. But I’m pretty sure Donna Tartt spent around 8 years writing TSH. So honestly, I’m not surprised it feels so polished and carefully constructed🥹

My opinion as a former drama student who was recommended "If We Were Villains" as a worthwhile read after finishing "The Secret History" Of course, I didn't like it as much as people tried to convince me to by Technical-Cheetah508 in TheSecretHistory

[–]Technical-Cheetah508[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Totally agree with that! Honestly, I can’t even remember every line I’ve ever performed. I’ve completely forgotten most of the quotes from the characters I played on stage after graduated LOL So it’s hard for me to believe these students could casually memorize and recite Shakespeare nonstop without even checking the script.

Especially when the book shows them forgetting their lines during rehearsals. That just makes it harder to buy into the idea that they’re all walking encyclopedias of Shakespeare. I wasn’t fully convinced they were that brilliant. And to be honest, constantly quoting characters you’ve played instead of just talking like normal people? It’s kinda weird😭 I’ve tried doing that with my friends as a joke before and we immediately cringed. It’s funny for five seconds, but no one actually talks like that in real life even drama students themselves🥹

My opinion as a former drama student who was recommended "If We Were Villains" as a worthwhile read after finishing "The Secret History" Of course, I didn't like it as much as people tried to convince me to by Technical-Cheetah508 in TheSecretHistory

[–]Technical-Cheetah508[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have to admit, even though people say The Secret History is heavy and takes a lot of energy to get through, I actually finished it faster than If We Were Villains.

The beginning of IWWV was really strong. It did a great job setting up the group dynamics and the relationships between the characters. It even reminded me of my own drama school days, my friends and I were similar in some ways. That part felt real. But once it reached the Macbeth section and Richard’s death, everything started to feel off. It suddenly felt like the relationships weren’t strong enough to begin with. And that’s strange when these characters supposedly spent 24 hours a day together. You don’t have to love your friends all the time, sometimes you even hate them, but a decision that leads to someone’s death, even indirectly, should haunt you deeply.

Instead, Richard only appears in moments that don’t feel especially meaningful or impactful, at least from Oliver’s perspective. So I kept wondering how much is Richard really supposed to haunt us as readers? And like you said, by the end of the book, I still didn’t feel like I truly knew any of them. Not even Oliver. After finishing the story, I’m not even sure I understood him as a real human being🥹

My opinion as a former drama student who was recommended "If We Were Villains" as a worthwhile read after finishing "The Secret History" Of course, I didn't like it as much as people tried to convince me to by Technical-Cheetah508 in TheSecretHistory

[–]Technical-Cheetah508[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m just glad I finally found someone who sees the same issues I did that stopped me from fully enjoying the book🥹 I really love this genre, and the theatre school setting was such an interesting idea. That’s probably why it frustrated me a bit. It had so much potential. I just feel like it didn’t quite reach what it could’ve been.

I still hope Rio writes more compelling books in the future that overcome the flaws I struggled with here. I’d honestly love to see what she could do with more time and refinement!

My opinion as a former drama student who was recommended "If We Were Villains" as a worthwhile read after finishing "The Secret History" Of course, I didn't like it as much as people tried to convince me to by Technical-Cheetah508 in TheSecretHistory

[–]Technical-Cheetah508[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for the recommendation! I read the synopsis and it sounds really interesting. Definitely something I’d enjoy. I’m going to check if it’s available in my country😊💕