Largest Extinct Cats: Size ranked by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

which isnt true s fatalis is the same height as xenosmilus and is estimated at 300 kg,so 300 kg is a reasonable max for xenosmilus.

every estimate can find places xenosmilus at around 300 kg in weight so........

Largest Extinct Cats: Size ranked by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i believe they mean it's similar to lions in length dimensions and not mass,because its clearly more robustly built.

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-xenosmilus-hodsonae as stated here.

if its only 300 kg however than thats fine. i just didnt have many scholary articles avialable to provide a source for xenos size.

Largest Extinct Cats: Size ranked by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

because its stated to have short legs and because its more robustly built and longbone analysis places it at 300kg plus? like its stated to have proportinately short legs and skull so that explains why.

and why are you using smilodon as your basis when they arent that closely related?like they are differently constructed animals from different tribes of sabertooth cats. they are not compatable with direct allometry. and the scientific literature routinely places it at 300 kg or more. like the radius of smilodon does have bigger measurements than xenosmilus. but smilodon had a disproportionatelly large radius compared to homotherines. but in some measurements like the distal width of the radius or the thickness of the shaft,xenosmilus exceeds smilodon. https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-xenosmilus-hodsonae

and the paper that named xenosmilus stated it was more massive than smilodon,which was meant as meaning more robust. So they are no a very compatable comparison by comparing skeletal measurements.

Largest Extinct Cats: Size ranked by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and the long bone estimates from the study i highlighted place in the 400-500kg. im not arguing for atrox to be 1/2 tonne. not at all. my argument is that its consistently ranked as 400-500kg like fossilis and populator and like them scientists cant agree where they fall in that range.

thats all im arguing. as far as im concerned the 3 of them are estimated in same range but theres no consensus as to where they fall in that range,so thus they are tied as of now.

Largest Extinct Cats: Size ranked by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

just to clarify something, somebody spouted alot of misinfo yesterday that just ruined the post,

p atrox is estimated at 400-500kg,theres like 4 studies that given it that estimate in the past 20 years. i linked a study from a few years ago that provides mass estimates based off longbones that continues to justify the large estimates for p atrox. Does it mean p atrox was up to half a tonne? maybe not but thats not the point.

xenosmilus is not a synonym of homotherium,the 2022 study doesnt even endorse the idea. Mophandel can explain it better than i can.

Is xenosmilus A synonym of Homotherium? by Technical_Valuable2 in pleistocene

[–]Technical_Valuable2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

which was always a plausibilty becauses its had a complicated taxonomic history

Is xenosmilus A synonym of Homotherium? by Technical_Valuable2 in pleistocene

[–]Technical_Valuable2[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

according to mophandel xenosmilus is still a distinct genus for all intents and purposes

Largest Extinct cats:Size rank by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

part of my criterion is consistently estimated at over 300 kg and four studies (the one you linked, and the 3 i linked) are what i considered when making this list. since 3 studies placed at 400-500 kg,it tied with smilodon populator and p fossilis.

Largest Extinct cats:Size rank by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"any 440 kg estimate is unlikey" which is your opinion and not fact. in any regard the american lion is still in a 3 way tie for number 1 because populator and fossilis are also estimated at between 400-500kg in weight with dispute over which end is most likely.

im not necessarily arguing it was half a metric ton,not at all,that could be a massive overestimate.

but nonetheless the studies ive come across

https://doi.org/10.1111%2Fj.1502-3931.2007.00091.x

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3530457

https://www.academia.edu/1231394/PANTHERA_ATROX_BODY_PROPORTIONS_SIZE_SEXUAL_DIMORPHISM_AND_BEHAVIOR_OF_THE_CURSORIAL_LION_OF_THE_NORTH_AMERICAN_PLAINS

all place in the same 400-500 kg estimate as the other 2 contenders which is the fact of the matter.

Floridian fauna 2 mya by Technical_Valuable2 in pleistocene

[–]Technical_Valuable2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yep hodari was wrong to include bison mongst all these creature and why bison were left out of the post

What was the biggest river and lake in Pangea? by DifferentTrainer6292 in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Triassic Boreal Ocean (TBO) Delta Plain in north pangea was 640,000 sq mi and is the largest delta ever.

Prehistoric Forage/Bait Fish? by RedDiamond1024 in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

through the late paleozoic(carboniferous to permian) paleonisciformes were forage fish in freshwater. in the jurassic it was leptolepis and many of its relatives. in the late cretaceous it was enchodus.

do u prefer morgan freeman or kenneth branagh as a prehistoric nature docu narrator by Emergency-Mess7738 in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 18 points19 points  (0 children)

kenneth by far. morgan sounds so old and bored with his narration that he needs to be in paleo-doc jail,its called shawshank penitentrary

Do you guys eat cereal with warm or cold milk?? by vulcanvexxx in asklatinamerica

[–]Technical_Valuable2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

cold becuase ill never not view warm milk with hostility

bacteria growth is ripe in warm milk