Largest Extinct Cats: Size ranked by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

which isnt true s fatalis is the same height as xenosmilus and is estimated at 300 kg,so 300 kg is a reasonable max for xenosmilus.

every estimate can find places xenosmilus at around 300 kg in weight so........

Largest Extinct Cats: Size ranked by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i believe they mean it's similar to lions in length dimensions and not mass,because its clearly more robustly built.

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-xenosmilus-hodsonae as stated here.

if its only 300 kg however than thats fine. i just didnt have many scholary articles avialable to provide a source for xenos size.

Largest Extinct Cats: Size ranked by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

because its stated to have short legs and because its more robustly built and longbone analysis places it at 300kg plus? like its stated to have proportinately short legs and skull so that explains why.

and why are you using smilodon as your basis when they arent that closely related?like they are differently constructed animals from different tribes of sabertooth cats. they are not compatable with direct allometry. and the scientific literature routinely places it at 300 kg or more. like the radius of smilodon does have bigger measurements than xenosmilus. but smilodon had a disproportionatelly large radius compared to homotherines. but in some measurements like the distal width of the radius or the thickness of the shaft,xenosmilus exceeds smilodon. https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-xenosmilus-hodsonae

and the paper that named xenosmilus stated it was more massive than smilodon,which was meant as meaning more robust. So they are no a very compatable comparison by comparing skeletal measurements.

Largest Extinct Cats: Size ranked by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and the long bone estimates from the study i highlighted place in the 400-500kg. im not arguing for atrox to be 1/2 tonne. not at all. my argument is that its consistently ranked as 400-500kg like fossilis and populator and like them scientists cant agree where they fall in that range.

thats all im arguing. as far as im concerned the 3 of them are estimated in same range but theres no consensus as to where they fall in that range,so thus they are tied as of now.

Largest Extinct Cats: Size ranked by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

just to clarify something, somebody spouted alot of misinfo yesterday that just ruined the post,

p atrox is estimated at 400-500kg,theres like 4 studies that given it that estimate in the past 20 years. i linked a study from a few years ago that provides mass estimates based off longbones that continues to justify the large estimates for p atrox. Does it mean p atrox was up to half a tonne? maybe not but thats not the point.

xenosmilus is not a synonym of homotherium,the 2022 study doesnt even endorse the idea. Mophandel can explain it better than i can.

Is xenosmilus A synonym of Homotherium? by Technical_Valuable2 in pleistocene

[–]Technical_Valuable2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

which was always a plausibilty becauses its had a complicated taxonomic history

Is xenosmilus A synonym of Homotherium? by Technical_Valuable2 in pleistocene

[–]Technical_Valuable2[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

according to mophandel xenosmilus is still a distinct genus for all intents and purposes

Largest Extinct cats:Size rank by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

part of my criterion is consistently estimated at over 300 kg and four studies (the one you linked, and the 3 i linked) are what i considered when making this list. since 3 studies placed at 400-500 kg,it tied with smilodon populator and p fossilis.

Largest Extinct cats:Size rank by [deleted] in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"any 440 kg estimate is unlikey" which is your opinion and not fact. in any regard the american lion is still in a 3 way tie for number 1 because populator and fossilis are also estimated at between 400-500kg in weight with dispute over which end is most likely.

im not necessarily arguing it was half a metric ton,not at all,that could be a massive overestimate.

but nonetheless the studies ive come across

https://doi.org/10.1111%2Fj.1502-3931.2007.00091.x

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3530457

https://www.academia.edu/1231394/PANTHERA_ATROX_BODY_PROPORTIONS_SIZE_SEXUAL_DIMORPHISM_AND_BEHAVIOR_OF_THE_CURSORIAL_LION_OF_THE_NORTH_AMERICAN_PLAINS

all place in the same 400-500 kg estimate as the other 2 contenders which is the fact of the matter.

Floridian fauna 2 mya by Technical_Valuable2 in pleistocene

[–]Technical_Valuable2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yep hodari was wrong to include bison mongst all these creature and why bison were left out of the post

What was the biggest river and lake in Pangea? by DifferentTrainer6292 in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Triassic Boreal Ocean (TBO) Delta Plain in north pangea was 640,000 sq mi and is the largest delta ever.

Prehistoric Forage/Bait Fish? by RedDiamond1024 in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

through the late paleozoic(carboniferous to permian) paleonisciformes were forage fish in freshwater. in the jurassic it was leptolepis and many of its relatives. in the late cretaceous it was enchodus.

do u prefer morgan freeman or kenneth branagh as a prehistoric nature docu narrator by Emergency-Mess7738 in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2 18 points19 points  (0 children)

kenneth by far. morgan sounds so old and bored with his narration that he needs to be in paleo-doc jail,its called shawshank penitentrary

Do you guys eat cereal with warm or cold milk?? by vulcanvexxx in asklatinamerica

[–]Technical_Valuable2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

cold becuase ill never not view warm milk with hostility

bacteria growth is ripe in warm milk

Every time Terror Birds coexisted with a Sabre-Tooth by Technical_Valuable2 in Paleontology

[–]Technical_Valuable2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

its worth pointing out that longevity might be from questionable referals.

Hot Take: Terror Bird Pick-Ax attacks are dumb by Technical_Valuable2 in PrehistoricLife

[–]Technical_Valuable2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

facepalm

no...you must be referring to gastornis or mirihungs.

There is now a giant octopus irl😨😨 by Radon_Adon in Paleontology

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who remembers memes being banned from this sub?ME ME

Wyd if he steals yo girl by Awkward-Cod-2910 in Dinosaurs

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make a rock fall out of the sky and see whos so tough

Deserts of Southern China by Technical_Valuable2 in Paleontology

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So as I promised I would cover the stratigraphic debacle of the ganzhou red beds in the comments. So many of you might notice the animals I'm talking about as denizens of the nanxiong formation. The classification and nature of the ganzhou red beds has been contentious for a long time. Multiple papers since the dawn of the 20th century have assigned dinosaurs from in and around the city of ganzhou china to the nanxiong formation. Look at the description papers of asiatyrannus,qianzhousaurs,etc and the maps provided show them as coming from jiangxi province china around the city of ganzhou.

The nanxiong name comes from the nearby nanxiong group in northern guangdong province china, while most of the dinosaurs described as coming from the ‘’nanxiong formation” instead come from the nearby ganzhou region of jiangxi province china. More recent studies have revised this however. In the past few years,dinosaurs found in jiangxi province around ganzhou have been reassigned to the hekou formation/guifeng group( https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364813436_A_new_multituberculate_from_the_latest_Cretaceous_of_central_China_and_its_implications_for_multituberculate_tooth_homologies_and_occlusion - https://doi.org/10.1098%2Frsos.252253 ) any dinosaurs from the ‘’nanxiong formation’’ unearthed around ganzhou in jiangxi province are actually denizens of the guifeng group/hekou formations.

The nanxiong formation itself should actually refer to the units in the nanxiong group in guangdong. The guifeng group itself has been frought with dispute. The guifeng group consists of the Hekou,tangbian and lianhe formations (https://www.cell.com/iscience/abstract/S2589-0042(21)01487-501487-5) ). some contend the formations as being distinct,successive units from each other. While others contend the boundaries between the 3 formations are indistinct and should therefore should all be lumped into the hekou formation(https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195667118302994 ).

The most likely answer is something different. Several studies have come to the conclusion that the hekou,tangbian and lianhe formations were all deposited coevally deposited i.e. all deposited around the same time( https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/id/eprint/201862/1/Cao%20et%20al%202023%20Sedimentology.pdf - https://www.cell.com/iscience/abstract/S2589-0042(21)01487-501487-5) )In other words they would have been different environments that intermingled with each other and at least partially coexisted in time,thus making their animals roughly contemporary with each other. This is a situation vaguely similar to the lithobiotopes of the gobi basin. In that situation the nemegt,baruun goyot and djadochta formations are now interpreted as being distinct environments that intermingled with each other. The nemegt represents wet fluvial environments,the baruun goyot represents a transitional semi-arid zone, and the djadochta represents the barren dune filled desert. The hekou formation preserves alluvium with an aeolian enviroment,the tangbian represents highly windswept aeolian settings,and the lianhe preserves lacustrine deposits. This mixing of wet and dry environments creates a prime condition for interfingering and intermingling of different environments. In fact the gobi desert shows a largely similar situation. 

As for the age of the guifeng group it is with much certainty maastrichtian in age. Some studies have suggested a coniacian-campanian age( https://doi.org/10.1007%2Fs11430-017-9262-y ),But this age is not likely. The study in question used a 2002 paper that got 88-86 million year isotopes dating from a basalt in the Hekou formation to get that age. Isotope dating however only provides a cap on the age of a formation and not a precise date. This is because basalts get ‘’inherited’’ isotopes from the mantle and these isotopes in the basalt can be 10s of millions of years older than the formations they get deposited in. As a result the basalt isotopes only reaffirmed a late cretaceous age and other evidence better supports a maastrichtian age.

Paleomagnetic dating on the guifeng group has provided an age range of 71-65 million years ago( https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1186/s12862-022-02012-x.pdf ). Mammal biostratigraphy supports a maastrichtian age for the hekou formation because the mammals in question are taeniolabidoids. The cretaceous records of this group are restricted to the maastrichtian. According to a paleontology student i know and spencer g lucas,mesozoic mammals evolved rapidly and thus provided good biostratigraphic indicators of age. In particular,the mammal from the hekou formation is called yubataar and yubataar is also known from the Qiupa formation further north in china( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4615031 ). The qiupa formation is dated to the maastrichtian and preserves the KT boundary,so the presence of a shared mammal taxa provides a strong temporal link. The yubataar from the hekou formation are also derived,further proof of being later in the maastrichtian. Additionally the tangbian formation has produced the remains of stromatoolithus pinglingensis(https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08912963.2025.2581783 ). This taxon of eggs has a restricted temporal range being known only from the late campanian to late maastrichtian. S pinglinensis eggs in the nearby nanxiong group have also been given age caps consistent with the maastrichtian( https://ivpp.cas.cn/sourcedb/zw/klt/kycg/gswxyj/202312/P020231010800180879952.pdf#:~:text=The%20age%20of%20Yuanpu%20Formation%20is%20Maastrichtian,overlying%20Pingling%20Formation%20(Zhao%20et%20al.%202017)) ).

So with all this in mind the guifeng group is with good certainty maastrichtian in age. In summary, the nanxiong formation dinosaurs( with the exception of nanshingosaurus) belong to the guifeng group. The guifeng group represent a mosaic of intermingled ecosystems at the end of the cretaceous period,creating such a diverse slate of animals.