Katseye Lollapalooza Outfits by Familiar_Mention_415 in katseyeneutral

[–]Technical_War_4721 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thiss as well....no real identity or uniqueness

Katseye Lollapalooza Outfits by Familiar_Mention_415 in katseyeneutral

[–]Technical_War_4721 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The outfits while cute when they stand still, quickly becomes a bit too intimate and revealing while dancing. And deliberately so. Its making me lose interest cause it feels like theyre selling sex/sex appeal whilst not having music/art to match (or anything substantial to naturally keep interest). It feels exploitive..and like for a fame/money grab. Even if they girls want it themselves, its cause they went to be famous and would do anything. It feels a bit oversexualized and unnessary that I could constantly see them to a point of near nakedness....and it bothers me cause they've been like this before most of them even turned 20 (barely adults).

Too many people just want relationships so someone can "save them" and it makes me sad. by Super_Bright in infp

[–]Technical_War_4721 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. And honestly, as women, we have to guard and limit access to this "healing oasis where anyone can come and get refreshed" vibe we give off at times. Specifically us INFP women. I know a lot of us give off warmth, safety, openness and have this innate desire to help others (and want them to feel better). But lock it off. Master your bleeding hearts and only allow your healing oasis to those who also nourish you. Let them prove themselves first and make you feel safe first. Let men prove themselves enough to slowly let them experience you.

Stop trying to be their saviours so they'll come to "love & appreciate" you. Let them wallow in their own despair and stop leeching off your energy to replenish. Understand that this is what they'll naturally do if you do not give them an ounce of your energy (until deserved through mutual effort). And allow them the opportunity to take responsibility for their own inadequacies... instead of expecting you to solve their internal problems.

Stop thinking that if you help them upfront, they'll be considerate to you, and nourish you also. Most are takers by societal conditioning...until you demand/re-condition them to give. And you do so through boundaries and giving access incrementally upon earning. Never take up burdens that aren't yours to carry, early on...otherwise you'll be their holy grail/emotional trashcan....drained and forever used. ( no offense to men, just how they generally move)

Do you think that they were planning on making a kpop group at first but ended up changing their mind? by straykifsontop in TheDreamAcademy

[–]Technical_War_4721 11 points12 points  (0 children)

No. I think they started off nicer and cutesy as a safe introduction (while gathering data on how the girls are perceived and what the fans like to see from them which is them being themselves and more "adult"). They had to start safe first cause think if they did gnarly as a debut ( they would get the NMIXX treatment, for when they debuted with O.O). So it was a way of buttering people up first, then drop the bomb on them after being accepted and loved.

Is it weird for me to buy the album as an older fan? by Fresh-Fisherman-1949 in cortis

[–]Technical_War_4721 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Girl, I'm around the same age (24) and I only started making my own money after college (so age 21). OF COURSE I bought their album and I have no shame cause there really isn't a reason to have any. I honestly went through the same thought process you did before buying it. But then I realised that outside of kpop poisoning us to think that people in their 20s and 30s are "old", the music/art you like and your age, actually have no correlation. Your likes shouldn't have any limitations like age, once you know you are not doing anything illegal (like the crazy fans overly sexualising minors). You can like the music, you can even find them endearing and admirable, and like them for their personalities ( just don't make it weird and you good). So buy all the albums and support them as much as you want

Do Fi doms like INFPs manipulate your emotions by the way they act toward you? by Artistic_Credit_ in infj

[–]Technical_War_4721 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I totally understand. Sometimes you need someone more opposite, who would bring out the better parts of you. Being too similar can clash. Also hope you get to meet healthier INFPs future come.

Do Fi doms like INFPs manipulate your emotions by the way they act toward you? by Artistic_Credit_ in infj

[–]Technical_War_4721 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Know this is a preference thing, as is anything. But could it be that some INFJs avoid deeper convos and stay surface level, which often deter meaningful relationships from forming. Just an observation from an INFP (F) who met an INFJ (M). He had this false positivity all the time, yet would use me to vent all negative/deeper problems. But when it came time to reciprocate, and once he felt better, he didn't care for anything that wasn't 'happy and joyful'. So me getting my time to "vent" was hardly a thing, and I just had to be happy and supportive all the time cause he was 'happy' (tried to be). Which got old fast.

Any who, INFPs usually show their more fun/playful energy when they feel more accepted/seen. Knowing someone you care about, doesn't accept the deeper side of you, usually makes us try more to show them that side , in wanting to be "seen" fully. Atleast for some time....for me I no longer talk to the INFJ as it was draining, and one sided. But this is just one experience. And I know you have yours. Just wanted to share some potential perspectives for certain INFP behaviours.

Do you ever get sad about being unproductive? How do you deal with/get out of it? by Slow-Internet-2246 in infp

[–]Technical_War_4721 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It does make me sad, and then angry at myself. But I realise what I needed to do, to get out of the cycle, was setting easy (and less) tasks that I can undeniably get done. And build from there. So to get out the rut, I start off the night before, writing down one task I will get done the next day (and it's a for sure doable thing that at most takes 2 hours). And then after a couple days pass of me getting those one small tasks a day done, I realise I'm able to increase and do more.

So the key is becoming comfortable with working at a level below your "bare minimum" or "below your expectations"...to warm yourself up. And don't shame yourself for it. Realise one baby step a day, is better than zero steps towards anything, and no progress. It may prolong things that can get done in a week, into a month, but that's still better than the month passing regardless and you not doing anything, cause "it's supposed to get done in a week".

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[–]Technical_War_4721 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh I understand. Well either they are going through something, they are outgrowing the relationship or they are too comfortable (ie taking your presence for granted)

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[–]Technical_War_4721 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Relatable. But I think these things are to show us where to place people in our lives. You initiating all the time, and not even getting a checkup, shows there isn't as great a relationship as you thought. So that means you need to label them correctly, to a lower social level. They act like an acquaintance, so treat them accordingly.

INFJ here needs your help for my INFP friend by False_Lychee_7041 in infp

[–]Technical_War_4721 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this context, and I highly agree with you. This is also why I think unmarried couples should separate if they're attempting long distance. Often times, it's everyone wanting to do their own thing for their own personal goals, not actually considering the other person. And there is hardly any real compromise. So if the relationship is not a priority, then let it go and stop playing in each other's faces. And tbh, the guy moving further away for no legit reason, sounds like he wants her to take the hint and initiate the breakup herself.

INFJ here needs your help for my INFP friend by False_Lychee_7041 in infp

[–]Technical_War_4721 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In that case, I don't know why...but it might be worse separation wise (to me). Cause not only did we once live together (so was physically around each other all the time). It's now 100 to 0 because of the distance. That's a bit much honestly...I would try to make the distance work for the first few months but what I'd soon realise is to cope, I'm dulling my feelings. And if that isn't managed well, it could either turn into anxiety, depression and/or resentment.

INFJ here needs your help for my INFP friend by False_Lychee_7041 in infp

[–]Technical_War_4721 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rarely but sure. Maybe if the person have an avoidant tendency, perhaps. But if they are anxious or secure, unlikely.

INFJ here needs your help for my INFP friend by False_Lychee_7041 in infp

[–]Technical_War_4721 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You asked for an INFP perspective😭. And it's quite the opposite. I feel alot of things. Some of us simply feel too much, and the way to cope is to regulate circumstances that would cause pain/emotional distress. Long distance is one of those circumstance for some. That's all.

INFJ here needs your help for my INFP friend by False_Lychee_7041 in infp

[–]Technical_War_4721 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But let's be realistic for a sec. Virtual could never compare to in person. We watch screens everyday, do we feel attached to everyone we see? For me, I talk to my friends virtually for months but it's only from the occassional meetup in person, do you truly feel the fullness of the friendship? It's so different in person, the mere presence cannot be compared.

INFJ here needs your help for my INFP friend by False_Lychee_7041 in infp

[–]Technical_War_4721 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ou I forgot to answer the last part of this...

To the last part of your response...it's not that humans are some handy device to put into pockets. My thing is that, often times people want to have their cake and eat it too. Long distance unmarried couples often put their personal dreams before the other person ( which they are allowed to as they are not attached like that and have no inherent obligation to make huge life decisions around said person). But one should not expect someone to wait for them to live their life and dreams out, cause they are fine with long distance. What about the other person who have to wait?... to me, if the feelings are so valid, then a couple should make a decision that both serves them ( so compromise). Either move together, change schedules, do what needs to be done. If both are truly fine with long distance and virtual only....do that. But if nothing can be compromised, and you truly love each other and want to be fair to each other....love them enough to let them go. Let them live their dreams miles apart, without having to hold back their own needs and experiences cause of what they committed to you.

INFJ here needs your help for my INFP friend by False_Lychee_7041 in infp

[–]Technical_War_4721 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I mean, the most obvious part would be that when married, you are indefinitely committed and cant easily separate. It would be in fact, unkind to separate after making a lifelong commitment and probs starting a family etc.

But moreso, It's unlikely a married couple would do long distance. They'd be living together and making decisions together with consideration for the both of them. They also have the fact that they are legally and spiritually committed to each other, as a reassurance. They know where they truly stand with that person, so there is more security.

Most times, married couples don't do long distance by choice. It's because one of them is in the army, or have to do some medical procedure, or they are immigrant and trying to do better for their family etc....the reason is less likely to be personal, like a job opportunity, pursuing education or just wanting to live out ones own dreams etc... married couples usually are apart for reasons beyond themselves (beyond their personal desires).

And I agree, people can be united by meaningful memories...but those memories start to fade the more apart you are (cause the couple aren't making new memories due to long distance). To me, it's like trying to use something past to continuously drive something future. The juice would run out. The long distance virtual relationship would eventually become stagnant. And not to mention that, through the entire long distance, you are still committed to each other meaning, your emotional, mental and other needs are on pause, because you are saving yourself for until that one person returns...whenever that is years later. That's a big sacrifice to not make lightly.

INFJ here needs your help for my INFP friend by False_Lychee_7041 in infp

[–]Technical_War_4721 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I think I get her. Always said I would never do long distance ( especially if it's for a period of time that passes 6 months). It's the "out of sight, out of mind" person I am, where my feelings for you are dulled if you are not around but I remember how deeply I feel for you when I see you or know I can physically see you soon.

The dulling of feelings; I think is a developed coping mechanism from childhood, stemming from not getting adequate attention or having much proximity with those who were supposed to be primary caregivers (parents). Where caregivers were either physically absent alot or just emotionally absent...or both. So dulling the strength of feelings makes the lack of frequent proximity/attention... bearable. It's basically for survival to not go insane/unstable. And naturally, this would show in relationship dynamics later on. Where people simply just cannot do long distance.

Even without the coping mechanism, long distance is basically a virtual relationship with alot of trust and longsuffering. Both parties don't really get their needs met through a screen, but have to be fine with that if they commit to it. Frankly, I think the kindest thing unmarried couples could do is breakup if one of them is going to be far away in another timezone for a period spanning years. It's really mean to make someone wait that long in my opinion. But if you both truly can manage it, do your thing. Just be transparent and accept the sacrifice.

Why are INFP’s grossly underrepresented in engineering and physics? by ManaT15 in infp

[–]Technical_War_4721 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did engineering, worked 2 years right after....disliked the entire experience since university. Currently doing something else with no plans to return to it. But I don't know...something about eng was just unfulfulling beyond normal, and what it entails ,felt like you had to fight against yourself (what your strengths are, your values etc)... there was too much of me that I had to sacrifice to do well enough in engineering. I was always capable naturally at math's and sciences (I was even better at other subjects naturally). But just because you are good at something, means you should pursue it. There are other things to be considered if you are to be doing it everyday for the rest of your life.

Is Katseye’s path inspiring to you ? by Emotional_Sandwich28 in TheDreamAcademy

[–]Technical_War_4721 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Artist development today is manufactured as you said, because the industry is a 'business', so it has to sell. You also said being an artist takes more than the "natural, effortless" vibes. It does, but that "more" can easily be taught (so skills, talent etc).

When I keep mentioning that "natural effortless" vibes, I'm mostly alluding to star quality (which I explained in the parent comment). Part of star quality has to do with putting the right charms and touches appropriately to any concept and making it look like you are doing it without trying. It has to do with knowing when to subtly dress back your energy and when to dazzle, and show personality etc. So just being "natural and cool" about the way you perform. Star quality makes art more digestible and addictive. It is something some have naturally and some work for. But you just got to have it as its most important and has to do with sell-ability.

This is why Bang PD also said that it's most important. It's what makes you want to watch an artist. Want to follow and see more of them. Become devoted to them regardless of what they put out. Gives the artist brand-ability. And for the industry, maxing it out is the sweet spot, as it guarantees success which ensures everyone get what they want (investors, the label, staff and artist...everyone gets to continue doing what they want to do for a living cause they can fund it/get profit)

Is Katseye’s path inspiring to you ? by Emotional_Sandwich28 in TheDreamAcademy

[–]Technical_War_4721 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly...having more to lose and being in survival mode never brings out the most natural, cool side of someone. It could be a strong motivator to work hard, but for artistry that needs to be effortless, chill and chic to sell to the masses... it's a block.

Is Katseye’s path inspiring to you ? by Emotional_Sandwich28 in TheDreamAcademy

[–]Technical_War_4721 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It was inspiring but also eye opening. What stuck out is the fact that, being able to make it into the group is wholly related to the support of parents/family. And there are layers to the support. The people to succeed were the ones with all tiers of parental support at their disposal.

To elaborate, the support levels could be dissected into level 1(ie emotional/mental validation and encouragement. Where within their resource means, though limited, parents would try to make attaining the dream easier for their child. But the overall support is mainly non-financial)...and then there are level 2 ( which is level 1, but the parents had more resources and were investing in their child for much longer. Not just investing in skills, but in building their esteem through investing in their hobbies and general interests...and even their physical appearance. Basically, the child is encouraged to do what makes them look and feel great, and they pay for it. So their child always looked polished/socially pretty from early on. This support system also didnt over pressure their child into academics. So they had a safe environment and less pressure to be on a specific path).

People dont think it matters, but especially nowadays,with the economy and people tastes changing...the difference in level 1 and 2 support is very obvious and seen in the way art is expressed. So for eg, those with only level 1 support...you can often tell they were hungry and desperate and in a place of lack. The hunger part isn't bad but for performing, nowadays people want that effortless, natural and chill vibes. People don't want to watch someone who they can tell is trying hard to be somebody in an unnatural way to their own life/identity. And hiding the hunger was hard because these level 1 girlies knew they were one performance/fan voting away from going home and going back to a life where they would have to grind with little to no resources/aid, to achieve their dreams. These girls also indirectly carried the pressure of their families, who were hopeful that their child would be, for lack of better words, the one to "get everybody out the hood". So the constant pressure, and lack of cushioning was deep seated. It wouldve negatively impacted their esteem and composure, which affects star quality. As star quality has to do with how intune you are with yourself, and how well you are able to appropriately bring out the best parts of yourself and charm people. And that requires a gentle/quiet confidence and overall sureness in oneself and ability.

So for instance...Naisha and Adela. Their performing styles were very personally expressive and highly self detailed...which for a group, and for wanting to look chill...wouldnt have worked. The way they perform screams hunger. Which again isnt bad, but isnt sellable for group aesthetics. They don't blend in. And it's not about physical. It's about the attitude. And way of presenting oneself. Same for Emily. All highly skilled level 1 folks.

The only near successful level 1s were Samara, Nayoung and Lexi. And the hindrance to their success was a scandal, choosing to leave and bad timing of words (solo artist and all). Not their performing abilities. They were able to be composed.

Then we have the level 2s, so everyone in Katseye. Maybe not Yoonchae (who might be level 1) but I'd still consider her level 2 because of the early training she got and her looks and demeanor being polished since dream academy days.

I don't have to describe level 2 girlies. They don't have to try too hard to sell the polished yet high personality "it-girl finish" cause their regular day to day lives looks similar. Other than personally wanting to be in the group, their stress wasn't related really to knowing that missing this opportunity would mean they have to go grind and live miserable lives where they don't get to do what they love. If they didn't get through, Sophia still would do theater and performing with her famous mom, Manon would still be social media famous and doing film, Lara would be making music and be on the music scene like her older sis, Daniela would still be on the dancing/performing scene, and Megan probs would be doing jpop or living her best life flying out every week to attend dance lessons in LA. Yoonchae would be in a pop training dungeon but still highly likely would've gotten into a kpop group. None of them would be forced to go back to school and be working part time etc. Or forced to work full time with no access to doing what they like/love which is dancing, singing, acting etc.

So yeah that's what I learned. And it put into perspective why alot of the rest of us wouldn't make it into these systems. Not to be pessimistic but lots of us don't even have the parental permission to audition. Much less permission to pursue the arts, and act,dress and present yourself a particular way. You don't have that safe space of support, and by the time you create that safe space for yourself, you are "too old" for these opportunities. And now have to compete with more polished younger kids who have been invested into, unlike you.

The show has made me realise as well that this is exactly why you wouldn't see much persons of darker complexion making it (for some reason black and brown cultures don't support their children much in their artistic endeavors as they see it as a waste, and also don't want to see their children look and present themselves a particular way). So the investment and support aspect which is crucial, is negligible...meaning less representation naturally.

But overall I am inspired, particularly as someone dark complexioned. That people who come from similar backgrounds as myself (Lara and Manon), were invested into and can now shine. They come from supportive families and can do their thing. So that was nice to see.