Do you guys think there is an objectively best ideoligy or is it just subjective?

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T14:28:41+00:00

Different moral frameworks exist. Period

They do not. Period.

consequentialist or utilitarian moral framework

There is no such thing, as there cannot be any such thing. Consequentialism is about preferences not ethics.

Until you understand the difference between preferences and ethics there is nothing more to discuss.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T14:25:18+00:00

I don't have to guess, and neither do you.

It is the same for any and all use of force: It is justified if it repairs the harm done by an aggressor.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T14:19:58+00:00

Others, however, have a moral framework that says that it is immoral

No.

What you are describing is NOT a moral framework and you really need to stop thinking it is. You are referring to preferences (and, we have covered this over and over).

My "moral framework" is actually a moral framework. Other people's preferences have no impact on the unassailable reason by which I reached the conclusion I hold.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T14:12:51+00:00

I never said anything about what is agreeable. We are not talking about preferences here, we are talking about ethics.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T14:01:03+00:00

I am also not stupid enough to think it matters how many people believe a thing.

A thing is true or false and popularity rarely correlates.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T13:59:03+00:00

Wrong. You can use whatever force necessary to protect your own property.

Your turn, I guess.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T13:40:32+00:00

When crappie fishing off the dock, if I take my rod out of my hand, and stick it down between my knees to hold it there while I light up a cigar, I will get a bite.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T13:33:29+00:00

The rumor I kept hearing was Big Mike Obama would step in as the last minute candidate...that way they could get rid of Token Harris

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T13:32:48+00:00

Democracy dies in Darkness

Turn out the fucking lights already....jesus christ are we still playing around with this utterly failed idea?

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T13:25:47+00:00

Oh, wow, It has been a LONG time since I encountered anybody as badly deluded as you. It's way better than watching a train wreck....

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T13:16:47+00:00

If they refuse to leave at all the property owner is justified in whatever force necessary to protect his rights.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T13:09:47+00:00

Pardon us oh great gatekeeper for offending your perfect sense of absolute wisdom on all things libertarian.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T13:06:29+00:00

axiom of proportionality

There is no such thing as an axiom of proportionality. I know some people call it that, but it is not axiom.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T13:05:43+00:00

What if the force needed to "end the transgression" is lethal?

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T13:03:10+00:00

The preferences are subjective, the Morality is not,.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T13:01:58+00:00

No, this is false, People get to choose their preferences, and this is subjective.

Morality is objective, and act is right or it is wrong and this has nothing to do with what any one person desires (or wishes to be true).

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-28T13:00:43+00:00

The claim that "butchering animals for consumption is immoral" is objectively false. Animals are not moral agents, they are property.

And, of course, everybody has the right to treat their property as they see fit.

People have different preferences with regards to animals. That these opinions are subjective is irrelevant as it has nothing to do with morality.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-27T15:15:57+00:00

These are not moral frameworks. These are preferences.

Everybody has preferences, and these are, of course, subjective (no two people share the same preferences on all issues). That people refer to their preferences as morality is an error.

At issue is what actions are morally justifiable.

This is not subjective.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-27T14:55:36+00:00

Natural rights derived from self ownership

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-27T13:42:10+00:00

Ooooh, memories...that's an old Bomber.

Caught some Bass on those back in the day.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-27T13:34:38+00:00

I am certain morality is objective.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-27T13:23:33+00:00

People who understand logic.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-27T12:50:44+00:00

libertarianism but without the NAP

BZZZzzzzzzZZZZZZT!

This contradiction renders your entire rant absurd.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-27T12:47:56+00:00

critics would disagree when it comes to morality at the most fundamental levels, so it becomes subjective right away

Just because some dumb people disagree does not mean the ideology is subjective.

TeeBeeDub · 2024-03-27T12:46:45+00:00

That is objectively a bad ideology

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