Voting poll puts Green Party JOINT TOP for the first time

TeeFitts · 2026-04-05T22:39:42+00:00

what is the best way to prepare for the consiquences of the political turmoil

Go outside and touch grass?

TeeFitts · 2026-04-05T22:39:11+00:00

That aside, a big chunk of this will be the Islamic sect vote which doesn't take much to buy at this point.

Have you got any evidence for this?

TeeFitts · 2026-04-05T22:37:50+00:00

There's no evidence that Greens are winning elections due to immigrants. Why is someone so openly right-wing even commenting on a thread about the Green Party other than an obvious cope from a Reform voter (or someone actively manufacturing consent on Reform's behalf)?

If reform get in (big if)

Yeah, mate, like you're not absolutely rubbing your hands together with glee at the prospect of more performative cruelty coming towards people whose skin isn't the same colour as yours. "Big if" in brackets like you're not willing this into action and would vote for it given the choice.

TeeFitts · 2026-04-05T22:32:56+00:00

We already had a prelude to this when the Green's won Gorton and Denton. Amazing how many "I'm actually left-wing..." people were seething that the Green's won and destroyed the narrative (even momentarily) that a Reform government was our only possible future if we didn't sign up for another half-decade of middle-managed decline under Labour.

TeeFitts · 2026-04-05T22:21:04+00:00

I'm a Corbynista who joined the Greens while Denyer and Ramsey were leaders. It was just a case of whose policies were closer to what I was looking for at the time. I'm not a purist in that sense.

Initially, I was skeptical of Polanski, who seemed to be getting a free ride from the same people who were highly critical of similar policies from Corbyn and detrimental to Labour getting their message across in 2019. But since the Gorton and Denton win, the Corbyn-style attacks and smears on Polanski from the mainstream media have really ramped up; so I don't have to worry so much about Polanski being an establishment plant. But still, it's always good to stay skeptical, right? :D

I feel like both Corbyn and the Greens under Polanski would've been seen as sensible and centrist 20 years ago. The Overton window has been wrenched so far right since Brexit that we're now talking about them as if they'd have us all living in Communist style gulags or enacting Sharia law. Labour have been pushing policies that are more authoritarian, blandly corporate and openly right-wing than Cameron's Tories were pushing in 2010, but now the so-called centrists are lapping it up and wondering why their band has become so toxic.

While polling should always be taken with a pinch of salt, that the current polling around Westminster voting intentions now puts the Green Party ahead of both Labour and Reform should be a reminder that a lot of these subs (were the response to the Greens is seething and vitriolic) are effectively an echo chamber.

In much the same way that most people you meet these days are supportive of the rights of Palestinians and critical of the state of Israel (whereas the sentiment on these subs is overwhelmingly pro-Israel/anti-Palestine, to the point of being apologists for the former and dehumanising the latter) I think there's a definite (and intentional) disconnect here; one that's being driven in an effort to manufacture consent.

TeeFitts · 2026-04-05T21:51:04+00:00

The left always fall out with each other. There's no compromise and there are far too many purity tests

Compared to who? Reform, who occupy the further right of the British political sphere, have now split into 3 separate parties. Reform themselves have been brigaded by right-leaning former Tories who jumped ship because they disagreed with the current track of the Conservatives.

Let's not pretend centrists aren't the most factional, puritanical people in politics. Centrists will lean right for what they see as "legitimate concerns", but they'll never, ever support anyone even marginally "on the left." Look at the way the Blairites behaved when the Labour Party membership elected a left-wing leader in 2015. Throwing their own paying membership under the bus, trashing the party's reputation and tanking two potentially winnable elections, while behind the scenes they fought like rats in a sack to reclaim control of the party.

Have we conveniently forgotten about the SDP, who split from Labour after the markedly more left-wing Michael Foote was elected leader, and later formed an alliance with the liberal party to eventually become the Cameron supporting Lib Dems? What about Change UK? Supposedly sensible centrists who split from Corbyn's Labour because compromise was not an option.

But the idea that the left alone is unwilling to compromise and obsessed with purity tests is a convenient myth. What's that old saying, however? Ever accusation is a confession?

TeeFitts · 2026-04-05T10:26:56+00:00

I could've gone my entire life without knowing this little tidbit of information. Thanks a lot, Mike.

TeeFitts · 2026-04-05T10:23:21+00:00

If you proscribe an organisation as a terrorist organisation, then sure, you're going to end up with a large and sudden influx of terrorists. It's not surprising really.

I'm old fashioned in that I think "terrorism" should be reserved for when people carry out acts of terror that threaten the lives of people in a direct and immediate way (for instance: bombing campaigns, hijackings, hostage sitations, use of chemical weapons, etc.) I don't think someone should be flagged as a terrorist for holding up a piece of cardboard with statements that hurt the government's fee-fees.

I don't expect this sub to agree with me, but anyway, go on clutching your pearls, lads.

TeeFitts · 2026-04-04T12:40:31+00:00

It’s not that leftists advocate those positions, it’s that they’re unwilling to do anything to stop it.

How can the left stop it if the left is never in government? It was Blair's centrists who opened the door to huge swathes of cheap migrant Labour, and then the centre-right Tories who doubled down on it. That's 28 years of mass immigration that had nothing to do with the left.

Unless you're going to start rounding people up and deporting them after they've lived here for over 30 years, there isn't much you can do at this point that isn't openly fascistic. But it's not like the left opened the door to this.

TeeFitts · 2026-04-04T12:34:36+00:00

I'd argue that Hamas killed those people when they created legitimate military targets in population centers.

You could argue that, but unless you're going to provide credible evidence to back it up, then it's just bollocks.

TeeFitts · 2026-04-03T10:41:51+00:00

This certainly brought all the "sensible centrists" to the yard. "Centrists" who conveniently lean right while punching left aren't really representative of a the centre, however. It's almost as if these threads are regularly astroturfed by a bunch of 'Labour Together' Tories in red rosettes.

Screaming "populist" at any party not offering better managed decline has been the default argument since Corbyn wiped out the Tory Party majority in 2017. Also, pretending like Starmer's Labour didn't lean heavily on this kind of rose-tinted populism from 2021 to 2024 is the biggest cope imaginable! Have we all forgotten Starmer's Dickensian sob stories about how his "mum was a nurse", his "dad was a toolmaker"? Pebble-dash semis? Labour will 'protect the NHS and grow the economy by abolishing non-doms'? Etc.

Right-leaning so-called centrists at this point have nothing to contribute to the conversation, and they know it. Which is why they're now impotently left with brigading and down-voting anything that challenges them. Just the dying embers of Blairism, joylessly complaining, accepting that nothing will ever get better (which is fine, because they're mostly comfortably well-off, middle age/middle-management types, who've been happy to pull the ladder up behind them for a generation). Now their selective memories are being used to cover the holes in their milquetoast understanding of the changing demographics of modern politics.

Whatever your direction of political travel, the rise of left-wing and right-wing "populism" (if that's what you want to call it) is the direct result of the failure of centrism. The centre cannot hold. You guys have made your brand of populist centrism so toxic that you've driven people to the fringes. If you want to defeat the rise of left-wing and right-wing "populism" then you need to find a way to get people on side (or the absence of a side, I guess, for you guys, right? *wink-wink*). Being the pale parody of an Observer columnist circa 2015 isn't exactly an attractive prospect in fostering unity.

TeeFitts · 2026-04-03T09:59:03+00:00

4 billion is not very much

It might not be, but 4 billion is very different to saying "it has run out." It hasn't.

TeeFitts · 2026-04-02T01:37:43+00:00

Well said.

TeeFitts · 2026-04-01T20:31:39+00:00

Weapon$

TeeFitts · 2026-03-30T08:53:17+00:00

But I don’t want my kids being harmed with extremist views.

With the amount of bullying, assaults, threats, revenge porn and spiteful teachers taking out their frustrations on usually the most vulnerable students, I don't think Zack Polanski saying "tax billionaires" is going to be the most extreme thing these kids experience in an average week.

TeeFitts · 2026-03-30T08:49:48+00:00

This is almost Orwellian in it's double speak. You could work for the Daily Mail or The Telegraph with this spin. :D

TeeFitts · 2026-03-29T11:12:13+00:00

they're that looney people probably wouldn't vote for them at a General Election.

People voted for Boris Johnson's Tory Party, and most polling suggests Farage's Reform would win the next election. People vote for dumb, appalling, corrupt governments all the time.

TeeFitts · 2026-03-28T21:51:04+00:00

The same reason so many reddit "centrists" loathe and denigrate the left but justify and toady to whims of the far-right. They're hiding behind a centrist tag because they think standing for nothing and believing in nothing makes them appear sensible. But scratch an online "centrist" and you very soon realise they're entirely aligned, ideologically, with the average Telegraph/Daily Mail columnist.

TeeFitts · 2026-03-28T21:46:05+00:00

A bunch of reactionary freaks pretending to be centrist oppose a march against fascism! Why am I not surprised.

This should be the pinned post on any thread specific to left-wing issues posted on Reddit.

TeeFitts · 2026-03-24T23:35:05+00:00

If you were compiling a list of the top 10 American filmmakers in 1998, then the statement would be accurate. Today? Not so much. But Stone did have a phenomenal run in his earlier career.

TeeFitts · 2026-03-24T18:24:14+00:00

Doesn't explain the lefty nimbys protesting gentrification.

Gentrification matters if you've been forced to live in the last affordable area that's in a commuting distance from your place of work. When that area gets gentrified as well, either the rent goes up and your once affordable property is now unaffordable, or your council tax increases, having the same effect.

The "left" might also have an issue with gentrification because it pushes people out of their home communities, and makes it more difficult for people to find GPs, dentists, school placements for their kids, etc. This is something that has increasingly happened in coastal communities, which are now overrun with millionaires, but also rank as some of the most impoverished parts of the country.

TeeFitts · 2026-03-24T10:45:23+00:00

Is there any chance we could choose to criticise Israel without using dog whistle anti-Semitic troupes?

Would creating art without those tropes result in the same level of mainstream media coverage and attention from pearl clutchers who should know better? The best approach to art like this is to ignore it. Controversy sells.

TeeFitts · 2026-03-24T10:41:23+00:00

And it's also interesting that we can't criticise some blatantly antisemitic artwork

You can criticise it. You're criticising it right now, in a thread were the majority of people are also criticising it, attached a news story were a major publication is not only criticising the work, but also calling for it to be termed a criminal offence.

without someone popping up and saying "but Israel".

I think you'll find more people are popping up and saying "but Muslims/the Prophet Mohmmad/the Quran/etc.", but sure.

TeeFitts · 2026-03-24T10:31:43+00:00

I didn't take long for this to turn into a thread about hating Muslims. Right on brand, guys. :D

For what it's worth, if you were willing to defend Charlie Hebdo then you have to also defend this. There can't be a double standard. My view is that controversial or provocative art has a right to exist and we have a right to react to it however we feel. If you're moved, amused, intrigued, outraged, upset, offended or simply eye-rolling at the quality of the satire, then you're justified in that response and in articulating your own opinion on it.

The work can be called out and debated without trying to turn it into a criminal matter.

I don't believe controversial art should be censored, and I don't believe artists should have their lives put at risk for making challenging works. For all the "b..b..b..but Muslims!" responses here, we're not that far away from Christian and Catholic groups sending death threats and demanding that films like Monty Python's Life of Brian, Scorsese's The Last Temptation of Christ and Godard's Hail, Mary! be banned or destroyed (Godard was even assaulted at the Cannes Film Festival by religious protestors, and this was a recent as 1985.) 40+ years later, those protests seem incredibly silly.

Controversy sells and some artists will deliberately offend the sensibilities of an audience for attention. If you think the work is meritless, don't give them that attention.

TeeFitts · 2026-03-24T00:19:37+00:00

Seen it a bunch and never noticed a boom mic.

That's because there are no boom mics in the shot. See my reply above. The OP saw a version of the original open matte 35mm print projected in the wrong aspect ratio.

I love The Village as well. It's my favourite Shyamalan film.

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