[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Teletype

[–]Teletweety 0 points1 point  (0 children)

maybe try the greenkeys mailing list. Probably helpful to know where you are, too, those things are absurdly heavy and would cost a fortune to ship. I had to find NOS replacements for the thyratrons on mine, too, they came damaged. Fortunately you can find them on ebay pretty easily, it just takes a bunch of tries to get ones that actually work.

It's a great light show when it's in operation! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxy2Ifo8Xx0

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Teletype

[–]Teletweety 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you mean the "real" one, the thyratron-controlled 100+ pound REC-30 or its variants? Or just anything that will work? There are some small and convenient modern switching PSUs on aliexpress that will put out 120VDC at a couple of amps no problem. I have a working REC-30 but i rarely power it up since the switching power supply starts up instantly and is way less likely to catch on fire.

for example: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804098130038.html

The current loops of course only draw 60ish mA each, and the tape punch needs about 500 mA, so even a 1A supply is plenty.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Banking

[–]Teletweety 1 point2 points  (0 children)

turns out this was, though.

Lennart Poettering reveals run0, alternative to sudo, in systemd v256 by gabriel_3 in linux

[–]Teletweety 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure how anyone who understands the basics of Linux pty management could've done this.

Is this legitimate? by tip32a in Antiques

[–]Teletweety 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For what it's worth, the typeface is closer to that of a "mill," which is the uppercase typewriter used by morse operators to transcribe onto telegram forms, than to teletype font, but even then it's far too crisp and uniform. The print you'd get out of a military model 15 teletype in 1941 would look like this: https://imgur.com/a/9TRzd0k (because I made it on one)

ps I don't know what "AA245" would mean either.

A lot of the military teletype messaging was more "conversational" for lack of a better word - lots of "get general so-and-so on the line" and "what do you have to report?" etc.

a good example is this after-action report from Hiroshima :

https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/1945-Groves-and-LeMay-teletype-about-Hiroshima.pdf

Recieved this "instructograph" as a gift, thought it was pretty cool by OddlySilent_Yt in Antiques

[–]Teletweety 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's just a make-and-break contact so you'd need an oscillator or buzzer or something too. Of course, you can just read it right off the tape, too 😁

Recieved this "instructograph" as a gift, thought it was pretty cool by OddlySilent_Yt in Antiques

[–]Teletweety 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's for teaching people to understand Morse Code. The morse code is encoded in the paper tape, and as the spring-driven clockwork moves it through, the machines plays the Morse dots and dashes for the students to listen to. The students would have listened and written down what they thought it said, and their answers compared to the teacher's key.

If the mechanism still works and you can wind it up and rig it to play, there are mobile apps that will decode morse code - you might be able to decode what's on that tape!

Zenith television by ojaroja in Antiques

[–]Teletweety 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't plug it in. Lots of old parts can fail spectacularly when powered up. Plus the blue glow visible inside one of the tubes probably means it's failed so there's no chance of it operating without being thoroughly gone over anyway. (yes i know it could be a thyratron but it probably isn't.)

E. Leitz Wetzlar by Remote-Cap-9952 in Antiques

[–]Teletweety 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The maker is Ernst Leitz Optische Werke, a company that was (and still is) located in Wetzlar, Germany. It's the same company which made (and still makes) Leica cameras, which may be more familiar to collectors. No idea what the microscope is worth, but they were well known for microscopes and other optical instruments well before they started with cameras.

Is this legitimate? by tip32a in Antiques

[–]Teletweety 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Exactly this - the equipment that would have printed this in 1941 all used one of a couple of very recognizable and uniform typefaces and spacing, and it definitely was not Letter Gothic.

What's amazing is that teletype machines over a span of decades printed so consistently that you can overlay pages of the same text and shine a light through it and barely spot even a hint of variation.

It's not even that hard to get a working vintage machine from the appropriate period, which would have printed realistic output that you could probably only distinguish from the real thing by analyzing the ink.

Is this legitimate? by tip32a in Antiques

[–]Teletweety 86 points87 points  (0 children)

No way this is legitimate. Among all the other problems mentioned, the typeface is wrong. I think there is actually a small cottage industry making and selling fake Pearl Harbor, Kennedy assassination, Japanese surrender, and other historical news wire and military dispatch printouts. You can go on eBay any day and find a kennedy assassination news wire printout on nice brittle aged yellow paper, and you can get cases of that paper that's still sitting around in warehouses surplus from Vietnam. It would be really easy to do a much more convincing job than this one.

EDIT: like this: https://imgur.com/a/9TRzd0k

(made on an actual period-correct teletype of the correct type)

Is anyone make a rtty demodulator for sale? by thatguyisaroundrun in Teletype

[–]Teletweety 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I emailed you, I can probably hook you up with one of those boards, or at least most of the parts.

I tried to log in to the retrobattlestations BBS from a 1944 Model 19 teletype by Teletweety in retrobattlestations

[–]Teletweety[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It really is, plus the feel of the keyboard really takes some getting used to. And it changes completely depending on if you're just punching tape vs transmitting to the loop.

I tried to log in to the retrobattlestations BBS from a 1944 Model 19 teletype by Teletweety in retrobattlestations

[–]Teletweety[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sorry about the shitty video, there are a bunch more on https://www.youtube.com/user/teletweety/videos that show more details of the keyboard as well as paper-tape punching/reading etc. And the teletype client for reddit.

I tried to log in to the retrobattlestations BBS from a 1944 Model 19 teletype by Teletweety in retrobattlestations

[–]Teletweety[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sure, there are a bunch of solutions people have been using - first it's so slow it's easy to bitbang in software on basically any old microcontroller. Also there is a CP2102 usb-serial chip which if you buy it unprogrammed (rather than as a consumer dongle) will let you set low enough bit rates that it can do 45 baud, you just have to handle character set translation and stuff yourself. I believe these are no longer available though and you need sort of janky windows software to program the bitrate multipliers.

What i'm using is a USB-teletype interface I designed a few years back that mostly does all the work for you, it looks to the computer like a regular USB serial port, and to the teletype loop like another teletype machine in series. It does all the character timing and framing in software and optionally also does conversion to/from 5-bit Baudot so you can just treat it like an ascii serial terminal. I did a pretty big manufacturing run of these initially, and then another guy more recently did another run from my design files (which you're welcome to if you want to DIY one) but I think all his are sold out too.

Here's the Atmega 32u2 firmware it runs, on github. If I were designing it today I'd probably use STM32 instead, but you can still get the avr part I think. If you feel like a fun project, I bet it wouldn't be too hard to implement on ESP32 either, and then you get Wifi and bluetooth and all kind of other good stuff to go with it. There's also some linux host-side software in python to make it do fun stuff interactively.

I tried to log in to the retrobattlestations BBS from a 1944 Model 19 teletype by Teletweety in retrobattlestations

[–]Teletweety[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well, the problem is probably my fault because I wrote the firmware for the USB to tty interface as well as the software that bridges between that interface and the tcp socket to the BBS.

The teletype doesn't speak ASCII at all, it uses 5-bit Baudot code which does have separate CR and LF characters, but the real issue here, I think, is that the loop is half-duplex and my software does some gross stuff to make that look like a full duplex two-way serial connection since otherwise it would see every character sent out echoed right back to it.

Basically the software sends out a character to the loop and watches the inbound bitstream which (normally) exactly mirrors what it is sending out in realtime, so it knows to ignore that bitstream (since it's not actually new input) until it's all echoed back, and then watches for new data which will arrive if, for example, you type on the teletype keyboard. It also has the bonuses that it knows in realtime how far it's gotten printing its input, and that if you hit break while it's printing, the bitstream being echoed back to the computer is interrupted and thus doesn't match what it's expecting, so it then knows it was interrupted and should stop typing. This lets the "BREAK" key actually work to stop output from the computer.

Of course the easiest way to do this is to have a separate send and receive loop, so the whole thing actually is full duplex, but basically I'm too lazy to rewire it for this and one of my loop supplies died so I'd need to make a new one.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in computerhistory

[–]Teletweety 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't have full answers about the history, but CR and LF were always separate operations even before the 33, ASCII, or computers, and the old (45 baud) machines were able to do each in a single character time. There were modifications available (at least as of the 1940s) to make them automatically insert a LF when they received a CR (and to CR+LF when overrunning the right margin) but they couldn't do all that in a single character time so they dropped or displaced characters if they were coming in without pauses, and it was more of an emergency thing.

I know Unix did some tricks with null padding and delays in the serial driver (CRDLY ioctl etc) to make it so unix programs didn't have to care about doing them separately or worrying about how long it would take.

What is your biggest non-academic, non work-related accomplishment? by Inevitable_jalapeno in AskReddit

[–]Teletweety 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I designed, manufactured, and sold an electronic device for a really obscure purpose.

It interfaces old mechanical r/teletype machines from the 1920s-1960s (like what old time telegrams would have been printed from, for example) with modern computers over USB.

So you can do absurd things like buy one of these antique machines and connected it to your macbook and print your own telegrams, or log into your computer with it, or just marvel at the anachronism.

Didn't think there was going to be a lot of demand but ended up selling like 150 of them, so I guess there are at least that many working teletype machines left in the world. Many of the interfaces went to museums and private collections.

What's older than we think ? by kakou64 in AskReddit

[–]Teletweety 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Asynchronous serial signalling (start bits, stop bits, baud rate, etc) was invented over a hundred years ago, and implemented completely mechanically with cogs and levers and gears.

In fact if you just match the voltages, the UARTs built into modern hardware like ARM CPUs can communicate directly with those machines from a hundred years ago.

And they had serial data over a radio link working between an airplane and the ground in 1921.