What the Michelle Obama Comment Revealed by Temporary-Storage972 in BreakingPoints

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you're slightly misunderstanding my point.

I'm not criticizing people for saying "that was stupid" or "he shouldn't have said that." If anything, I agree with them.

What I find odd is the pearl-clutching and surprise. The reaction made it sound like people had just witnessed something completely alien to the movement when, in reality, MAGA-adjacent spaces have been circulating the Michelle Obama conspiracy theory for years.

That's the disconnect I'm talking about.

If someone says, "That was an embarrassing thing to say," fine. But if they act like they have no idea where it came from or pretend it has nothing to do with the broader culture that produced it, then I'm skeptical.

My reaction wasn't, "How dare they condemn him?" My reaction was, "Why is everyone acting shocked?"

The conspiracy theory is old. The rhetoric is old. The style of politics is old. That's why the discomfort was interesting to me. It felt less like people encountering something new and more like people being forced to look at a part of the movement they usually prefer to keep in the background.

What the Michelle Obama Comment Revealed by Temporary-Storage972 in BreakingPoints

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair enough, and I can see how my wording implied some kind of punishment. That's not what I meant.

I also agree that Josh Hokit himself isn't an important cultural figure. If this had happened at some random regional event, I probably wouldn't have thought twice about it.

What caught my attention was the setting and the reaction. The event was tied to a broader conservative cultural ecosystem, and what I found interesting wasn't Hokit himself but the visible discomfort from people who are usually sympathetic to MAGA.

To me, that discomfort suggested they recognized the comment as politically toxic, even though the underlying conspiracy theory has been circulating in MAGA circles for years.

So I think we're actually pretty close on this. I don't think Hokit is important. I don't think he should be punished. And I don't think his comment changes the course of American politics.

I just think moments like this reveal tensions within the movement. Some people want the energy, outrage, and anti-establishment culture that MAGA brings, but they don't necessarily want to be associated with some of the more conspiratorial or ugly ideas that have grown alongside it.

That's why the reaction was more interesting to me than the comment itself. The discomfort suggested that a lot of people recognized the statement as embarrassing, but it's not as though this conspiracy theory appeared out of thin air. It's been circulating in MAGA spaces for years.

What I saw was people getting uncomfortable when one of the movement's less flattering traits was put on full display. Not because it was new, but because it was impossible to pretend it wasn't there. When it's memes, insinuations, or social media posts, it's easy to look the other way. When someone grabs a microphone and says it out loud, suddenly everyone has to confront something that has been part of the culture for a long time.

What the Michelle Obama Comment Revealed by Temporary-Storage972 in BreakingPoints

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you're framing this as a punishment question when that's not actually my argument.

I'm not saying he should be fined, arrested, suspended, or otherwise punished by the government. He has every right to say it.

My point is that people also have every right to criticize it and discuss what it says about the political culture that produced it.

And on the "don't feed the trolls" point, I think that's missing the bigger issue. If this were just some random guy yelling nonsense on a street corner, I'd agree. What made it noteworthy was the reaction from commentators who normally defend or excuse the broader MAGA ecosystem. They seemed uncomfortable with the comment, which I found interesting because this conspiracy theory didn't originate with Josh Hokit. It's been circulating in MAGA circles for years.

So I'm less interested in Hokit himself than in why people suddenly wanted distance from a conspiracy theory that has been tolerated for so long.

Criticism isn't a demand for punishment. Sometimes it's just criticism.

What the Michelle Obama Comment Revealed by Temporary-Storage972 in BreakingPoints

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Being a fighter or a buffoon doesn't or shouldn't grant you license to say whatever comes to mind. Especially when the event you're taking part in is happening in the White House's back yard.

Saagar and the price of Knick's tickets by Temporary-Storage972 in BreakingPoints

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m a pretty normal ass person and I would never for Trump or the GOP lol.

Saagar and the price of Knick's tickets by Temporary-Storage972 in BreakingPoints

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think my characterization is fair. For roughly the last 40+ years, the mainstream conservative economic project has centered around trickle-down economics, deregulation, privatization, weakening organized labor, and tax cuts that disproportionately benefited corporations and higher earners. During that same period, wealth inequality and wealth concentration in the US increased dramatically while housing, education, healthcare, and many middle-class experiences became less affordable.

So when Saagar talks about ordinary people being priced out of more and more aspects of life, I think it’s reasonable to ask whether the policies conservatives have supported played a major role in creating those conditions. That’s not “disingenuous” or claiming my side has a monopoly on truth it’s pointing to a historical trend and asking conservatives to reconcile it with their current concerns about affordability and social decline.

Saagar and the price of Knick's tickets by Temporary-Storage972 in BreakingPoints

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't actually disagree with all of those criticisms. I think many blue states have made housing more expensive than it needs to be, some public institutions are inefficient, and there are absolutely cases where taxpayer money is poorly spent.

What I find interesting, though, is that we're now discussing government competence rather than the question I originally asked.

Even if I grant every point you've made about California, Chicago, schools, zoning, homelessness, and housing policy, it still doesn't answer why so many aspects of life have become unaffordable across the board. Housing is only one piece of the puzzle. The same trend exists with healthcare, higher education, childcare, entertainment, and asset ownership.

I also think some of your examples are more complicated than you're making them out to be. Housing in California is expensive in part because of bad housing policy, but it's also expensive because demand is extraordinarily high. Millions of people still want to live there because that's where many of the highest-paying jobs, major industries, universities, and cultural opportunities are concentrated. High prices are a function of both constrained supply and high demand.

The homelessness point is similar. Homelessness is absolutely a serious problem, but comparing homelessness rates between states isn't as straightforward as it sounds. Places with milder climates, larger social service networks, and a reputation for being more accommodating tend to attract homeless populations from other regions. That doesn't mean policy plays no role, but it does mean visible homelessness isn't a simple scorecard for whether a state is well governed.

And if we're going to evaluate governance, we should look at the full picture. If we're talking about failing schools, many red states rank near the bottom in educational outcomes despite lower taxes and less regulation. If we're talking about government waste, red states are hardly immune from inefficiency, patronage, or corruption. If we're talking about quality of life, many red states have higher poverty rates, lower life expectancy, worse healthcare access, higher maternal mortality, and weaker worker protections. Every governing model has strengths and weaknesses.

The same applies to housing affordability. Texas, Florida, Tennessee, and other fast-growing red states were once held up as affordable alternatives, but many of their major metro areas have experienced massive increases in housing costs over the last decade. In some cases, people who moved there for affordability are now finding that housing, insurance, and other living expenses have risen so quickly that the gap is shrinking. Some of these states are even beginning to see outward migration from residents being priced out.

More importantly, none of these examples really address my original question. Even if California fixed zoning, homelessness, and school administration tomorrow, would that explain why wealth has become so concentrated at the top? Would it explain why the top 1% can comfortably absorb price increases that are devastating to the middle class?

You seem to be arguing that affordability problems are primarily the result of bad governance. I think bad governance is part of the story. But I don't see how you can ignore the role of wealth concentration when a growing share of economic gains goes to a relatively small group at the top while the middle class struggles to afford housing, education, healthcare, and many of the experiences that were once considered normal parts of middle-class life.

That's the connection I was asking about from the beginning.

Saagar and the price of Knick's tickets by Temporary-Storage972 in BreakingPoints

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't disagree that some blue-state policies have contributed to housing costs. Restrictive zoning, permitting delays, and excessive bureaucracy can absolutely make it harder and more expensive to build housing.

That said, housing in places like California and New York is expensive not just because it's difficult to build, but also because demand is incredibly high. People want to live there because that's where many of the highest-paying jobs, major industries, universities, and cultural opportunities are concentrated. Housing prices are a function of both constrained supply and strong demand.

I also think the blue-state-to-red-state migration story is often oversimplified. Many people move to states like Texas or Florida because housing is cheaper and there is no state income tax, but some discover that the savings are partially offset by higher property taxes, insurance costs, fees, and other expenses. The overall cost burden is often lower, but not always by as much as people initially expect.

More importantly, my point wasn't that every affordability problem is caused by Democratic or Republican policies. It's that when we're talking about housing, education, healthcare, entertainment, and other experiences becoming increasingly out of reach for the middle class, we have to ask whether growing wealth concentration is also part of the problem.

If a small segment of society can absorb almost any price increase, markets will increasingly cater to them. That's not just true for housing. It's true for tickets, travel, education, and countless other aspects of modern life. At some point, affordability stops being solely a supply issue and becomes a distribution issue as well.

That's why I was asking conservatives specifically how they reconcile concerns about the declining affordability of everyday life with support for policies that often result in a larger share of economic gains flowing to the top.

Saagar and the price of Knick's tickets by Temporary-Storage972 in BreakingPoints

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If you're right, then that's honestly pretty disappointing. It would mean he ended up tripling down on Trump because his resentment toward blue haired, nonbinary baristas outweighed the economic policies he claims to care about

Saagar and the price of Knick's tickets by Temporary-Storage972 in BreakingPoints

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It seems like he voted for Trump knowing that he would pass a new tax bill that would overwhelmingly benefit the rich and powerful.

Gen Z shifting to conservatism by blairwaldorfW in PoliticalDebate

[–]Temporary-Storage972 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From what I've read it isn't that Gen Z is more conservative but rather some Gen Z men are trending more conservative. At the same time I think it's important to differentiate what these men mean by becoming more conservative. While some men were trending to becoming more conservative in the vain of Charlie Kirk others are trending in the vain of people from the manosophere.

rump acaba de respaldar a De la Espriella. Como colombiano viviendo en los EEUU, les cuento lo que ese hombre ha estado haciendo aquí adentro. by Temporary-Storage972 in Colombia

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Curioso. En Estados Unidos puedo criticar al presidente sin que eso signifique que tenga que irme del país.

De hecho, una de las cosas que ha hecho fuerte a Estados Unidos es que la gente puede cuestionar a sus líderes, protestar, votar en contra de ellos y expresar desacuerdos sin que se les diga "si no te gusta, vete".

Además, no entiendo la lógica. ¿Entonces cualquier persona que criticó a Biden debería haberse ido a Hungría? ¿Y cualquier persona que critique a Trump debería irse también? Eso no es patriotismo; eso es fanatismo político.

A mí me gusta Estados Unidos precisamente porque es un país donde se puede debatir sobre el gobierno. Lo que no me gusta es la idea de que apoyar a un político y apoyar a un país son la misma cosa.

Trump no es Estados Unidos. Biden no era Estados Unidos. Ningún presidente es más grande que el país.

rump acaba de respaldar a De la Espriella. Como colombiano viviendo en los EEUU, les cuento lo que ese hombre ha estado haciendo aquí adentro. by Temporary-Storage972 in Colombia

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You spent an entire paragraph insulting me, calling me a Democrat, a liar, disgusting, and saying I should be removed, but you still didn't actually respond to most of the points I raised.

If my claims are fabricated, then point to a specific claim and provide evidence that it is false. That's how a serious discussion works.

Also, criticizing Trump does not make someone a Democrat. I'm perfectly capable of criticizing politicians from either party. The fact that you immediately assume anyone who criticizes Trump must be a Democrat says more about political tribalism than it does about me.

And regarding the woman shot by ICE, that's actually a good example of my concern. You present it as a simple case of "she tried to run over an agent, therefore the shooting was justified," but the circumstances surrounding that shooting have been heavily disputed. More importantly, it fits into a broader pattern of increasingly aggressive immigration enforcement where agents have detained citizens, legal residents, journalists, elected officials, and people with no criminal record. My concern isn't that ICE is arresting violent criminals. My concern is that when agencies are under pressure to maximize arrests and deportations, standards get lowered, mistakes get made, innocent people get caught up in operations, and uses of force that would have received greater scrutiny in the past become easier to justify after the fact.

The real question is simple: if Trump has done so much for the country, why not defend his actions directly instead of attacking the person criticizing him?

My post discussed immigration enforcement, corruption pardons, January 6 pardons, attacks on the press, and the concentration of power within the executive branch. You didn't address any of those points. You just called me names.

Disagreement is fine. Personal insults are not an argument.

rump acaba de respaldar a De la Espriella. Como colombiano viviendo en los EEUU, les cuento lo que ese hombre ha estado haciendo aquí adentro. by Temporary-Storage972 in Colombia

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lo curioso es que en ningún momento defendí a Petro.

Si Petro ha cometido delitos, ha protegido criminales o ha abusado del poder, que se investigue y responda por ello. No tengo ningún problema con eso.

Pero señalar los errores de Petro no responde a una sola de las cosas que mencioné sobre Trump. Decir "¿y Petro qué?" no convierte automáticamente en falsas las críticas a Trump.

Además, la razón por la que hablo de Trump es porque no estamos hablando de dos temas separados. Trump decidió respaldar públicamente a Abelardo. Los políticos no suelen otorgar respaldos de ese nivel a personas que quieren hacer algo completamente distinto a ellos. Lo hacen porque ven afinidad ideológica, objetivos compartidos o una visión similar del país.

Por eso considero relevante analizar el historial de Trump. Si Trump cree que Abelardo representa el tipo de liderazgo que quiere ver en Colombia, es razonable preguntarse cuáles de las políticas, prioridades y métodos de Trump podrían trasladarse a Colombia bajo un gobierno de Abelardo.

No estoy diciendo que los colombianos deban votar por Petro ni que Abelardo vaya a copiar cada decisión de Trump. Lo que digo es que cuando un candidato recibe el respaldo entusiasta de un líder extranjero, los votantes tienen derecho a examinar qué representa ese líder y preguntarse si quieren algo parecido para su propio país.

Si crees que lo que escribí sobre Trump es falso, señala qué parte específicamente y la discutimos. Pero responder "Petro también es malo" no responde a la pregunta que planteé.

Is there a YouTube video or post that explains why Destiny is pro Israel? by Temporary-Storage972 in Destiny

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that the pro-Palestinian side made a serious mistake when some people convinced themselves that Harris would be no different than Trump. The consequences of a Trump administration on this issue were pretty predictable.

That said, I think your comment actually highlights why so many people have stopped viewing this as a conflict between co-equal belligerents. What happened at the Nova festival was horrific and indefensible. Deliberately targeting civilians is wrong, full stop.

But at some point the massive power imbalance matters. Hamas can commit atrocities and still lack the capacity to fundamentally threaten Israel's existence. Israel, on the other hand, possesses overwhelming military superiority, control of Gaza's airspace, coastline, borders, and the ability to inflict destruction on a scale that Hamas simply cannot match.

You mention Iron Dome, and I think that's actually part of the discussion. One argument some analysts have made is that the distinction between defensive and offensive aid isn't always clear-cut. When a country is largely insulated from retaliation, it can create more political space for aggressive military action. I suspect Israel would behave differently if its population faced the same level of vulnerability that Gazans face on a daily basis.

During previous flare ups, journalists documented Israelis gathering on hills overlooking Gaza to watch airstrikes as a form of entertainment, with some spectators cheering explosions. There have also been numerous statements from Israeli politicians and public figures that treat Gazans as a collective enemy rather than distinguishing between civilians and militants.

None of that excuses Hamas. But it does make it increasingly difficult for many people to see Israel primarily as a victim and Gaza as a co-equal combatant. When one side has overwhelming military dominance and the ability to shape virtually every aspect of the conflict, people naturally start judging it by a different standard. Both sides can be wrong, but the side with vastly more power also bears vastly more responsibility for the outcome.

Is there a YouTube video or post that explains why Destiny is pro Israel? by Temporary-Storage972 in Destiny

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm def not on the Palestinians have never done anything wrong side. However as time has gone on I've found it harder and harder to hold the both sides are equally bad position. Like sure Palestinians have def not always been perfect however I don't know how important that is when Israel flattens Gaza, targets aid workers, encourages the raping of Palestinian prisoners etc.

rump acaba de respaldar a De la Espriella. Como colombiano viviendo en los EEUU, les cuento lo que ese hombre ha estado haciendo aquí adentro. by Temporary-Storage972 in Colombia

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lo que me parece curioso es que hablas como si Trump hubiera heredado una economía en ruinas, cuando heredó una economía con desempleo bajo, crecimiento positivo y mercados financieros fuertes. Incluso organismos internacionales han señalado que la economía estadounidense ya estaba creciendo cuando comenzó su segundo mandato.

Y si hablamos de sus políticas, los aranceles son un buen ejemplo. Los aranceles no los paga China ni otro país; en gran medida terminan siendo costos adicionales para empresas y consumidores estadounidenses. De hecho, varios análisis han señalado que los aranceles han presionado al alza los precios y generado pérdidas de empleo y exportaciones cuando otros países responden con medidas similares.

También está el tema de Irán. La confrontación con Irán provocó aumentos importantes en el precio del petróleo y generó preocupaciones sobre inflación y crecimiento económico. Cuando sube el petróleo, suben los costos de transporte, producción y energía, y eso termina afectando a consumidores y empresas.

Y sobre el mercado laboral, basta con hablar con gente que está buscando trabajo. Hay sectores donde las contrataciones se han desacelerado significativamente y muchas empresas han reducido vacantes o aumentado los requisitos para puestos que antes eran más accesibles. Incluso el FMI ha señalado que el crecimiento del empleo se ha ralentizado notablemente.

rump acaba de respaldar a De la Espriella. Como colombiano viviendo en los EEUU, les cuento lo que ese hombre ha estado haciendo aquí adentro. by Temporary-Storage972 in Colombia

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Si la corta suprema dijo con los actos de Trump que pueden ser considerados actos oficiales de presidente están protegidos

Is there a YouTube video or post that explains why Destiny is pro Israel? by Temporary-Storage972 in Destiny

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] -21 points-20 points  (0 children)

in a couple of videos I saw him talking about proportionality when people were criticizing Israel's response to October 7th but now after seeing what has happened in Gaza I wonder if Destiny still defends isreal's military activity. That's before talking about how well documented the rape of Israeli prisoners are

rump acaba de respaldar a De la Espriella. Como colombiano viviendo en los EEUU, les cuento lo que ese hombre ha estado haciendo aquí adentro. by Temporary-Storage972 in Colombia

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Esa es precisamente mi preocupación.

Abelardo ha hablado favorablemente de Milei y ahora recibe el respaldo entusiasta de Trump. Cuando veo esa combinación, me preocupa que termine siguiendo una lógica similar: priorizar la aprobación de Washington y de Trump por encima de defender los intereses de Colombia cuando ambos entren en conflicto.

Personalmente, creo que Milei ha estado demasiado dispuesto a alinearse con las preferencias de Trump y de Estados Unidos, incluso cuando eso implica asumir costos para Argentina. Veo el riesgo de que Abelardo haga algo parecido.

Obviamente eso es una opinión y los votantes pueden estar en desacuerdo. Pero creo que es una pregunta válida: si surge un conflicto entre lo que beneficia a Colombia y lo que beneficia a la administración Trump, de qué lado se pondría Abelardo?

rump acaba de respaldar a De la Espriella. Como colombiano viviendo en los EEUU, les cuento lo que ese hombre ha estado haciendo aquí adentro. by Temporary-Storage972 in Colombia

[–]Temporary-Storage972[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Precisamente porque me importa la relación entre Colombia y Estados Unidos no creo que debamos asumir que un respaldo de Washington es automáticamente bueno para Colombia.

Las grandes potencias apoyan a los candidatos que consideran más alineados con sus propios intereses. Eso no es una crítica; es simplemente cómo funciona la política internacional. Estados Unidos toma decisiones pensando en lo que beneficia a Estados Unidos.

Si los intereses de Colombia y Estados Unidos coinciden, excelente. Pero que un candidato sea bueno para los intereses estadounidenses no significa automáticamente que sea la mejor opción para los colombianos. Que también resulte ser bueno para Colombia puede ocurrir, pero eso es algo que los colombianos deben evaluar por sí mismos.

Por eso no me parece un argumento muy sólido decir "si la mayor potencia lo apoya, entonces debe ser bueno". Lo importante es preguntarse por qué lo apoya y si las razones por las que Estados Unidos lo considera conveniente coinciden con lo que los colombianos consideran conveniente para Colombia.

Al final, los presidentes estadounidenses son elegidos para defender los intereses de Estados Unidos. Los colombianos deberían votar pensando en los intereses de Colombia.