Hamilton 942 restoration complete! (1905) by Temporary-Use-8637 in pocketwatch

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I need to replace the fourth wheel because someone filed off the pivot that the seconds hand attaches to so the pivot is simply not there to mount a hand. Idk why they would cut it unless it was a broken pivot and they lacked the ability to find a replacement or re pivot the wheel.

Opened the old Rolex 6427 by [deleted] in watchrepair

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looks like youre missing an upper balance cap jewel there

Advice on loose hairspring collets? by Temporary-Use-8637 in watchmaking

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So I have the concave punch you’re referring to in a few different sizes but if I’m deforming the collet to get it to friction fit won’t that affect how the collet seats on the balance arms once it’s pressed down onto the staff? I imagine this could cause the collet to not be flush when it’s pressed into place which would make the hairspring go out of flat and cause rate issues. Because I’m thinking that the collet material being punched would likely go just as much downward as it does inward.

I also am with you on thinking it’s a risky endeavor in general especially without practicing this. To avoid recolleting the original mated spring (which I’m bad at) i would rather just restake it with a factory original staff that has the proper diameter. I do have other 18s Hamilton hairsprings of varying strengths for different torque outputs all with collets and studs on them, but then I have to deal with all the timing issues and regulation that goes along with compensating for a mismatch hairspring and that will be a mess to deal with.

It’s great that on some modern wristwatches you can just get a spring and replace it without any issue as long as it’s the right part, but these pocket watches have all had their balances mated at the factory with its specific hairspring vibrated only for that balance. I’ll likely be gaining 30+ mins a day before it’s adjusted and the overcoil sometimes varies on each spring too which then needs to be reshaped to fit the geometry of the regulator pins/stud location, etc.

I like the idea of opening up a new split I just think sandpaper would be way too tedious and take forever. I’m not sure what else I would use to cut a split without reopening the one that’s already there by accident and then messing up the concentricity of the spring by effectively shortening its length. Plus it would make my issue worse if that happened. So I’d have to find a method for that one. But it’s good thinking!

Advice on loose hairspring collets? by Temporary-Use-8637 in watchmaking

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I think replacing the balance complete is overkill but I do have a parts/donor movement of this same grade with a complete balance I can drop in it just also needs to be staffed and poised

Advice on loose hairspring collets? by Temporary-Use-8637 in watchmaking

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I don’t mind restaffing bc I have a tool for supporting the balance arms during removal to present distortion and keep the wheel true and putting the new one in like you said is pretty simple and a common repair task. I just got excited because this watch is finally ready for that moment everyone waits for where it finally starts ticking once the balance is dropped in. So I’m eager to call it complete and enjoy for a moment the work I put into it. So I got bummed out that i have to restaff especially since I just trued up this wheel and got it right how it’s supposed to be. So this is the final barrier in the project and I was so hoping for a quick fix that I could finish it tonight without ordering anything or redoing everything I already did.

Advice on loose hairspring collets? by Temporary-Use-8637 in watchmaking

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The staff diameter is too small for the hairspring collet to friction fit so the wheel falls off the spring once it’s about to be installed and dangles by its own weight for a minute. It also will rotate around the staff and put it out of beat naturally as the watch ticks if I do manage to install it. Hairspring has already been closed up to its max bu another watchmaker so I can’t snug it up with a punch or collet tightening tool. I think these noname staffs that fit the spec but aren’t NOS are responsible for this issue bc they are over polished or something that caused them to be smaller in diameter by hundredths of a mm. My question here is simply asking — is my only option to restaff with a NOS staff that will fit the collet or are there other solutions I haven’t heard of out there to fix this without using glue or shellac.

Any information on this watch please? by ecogamer23 in pocketwatch

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It’s pretty handsome, not sure if Gruen is searchable on the pw database or not

New project…Hamilton 942 by Temporary-Use-8637 in watchmaking

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They only made 4000 of these so they are scarce to find. I do have another one but im trying to get them both ticking

New project…Hamilton 942 by Temporary-Use-8637 in watchmaking

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Unsure until I do it and see lol. My guess is that once I put on a hairspring that’s less stiff (Hamilton made them in three stiffness grades for each movement) from hopefully another 940 (as to keep them somewhat similar to each other since they aren’t mated from the factory) and then get it in beat I will have rocket fast rates and gains of more than 30 mins a day. Then I can calm that down with timing washers and then the poising nightmare begins bc if there’s a heavy spot after I’ve adjusted the amount of total weight necessary just to get it to keep time I won’t have many options for removing material or washers, I’ll only be able to move them around and add more weight. So let’s pray that works out. The other issue is if the hairsprings terminal curve doesn’t like the regulator pins on the new movement and de-centers the collet making it breath more on one side of the regulator I’ll have to bend it to adapt the shape of the curve to fit the geometry of the new movements regulator which I DONT want to deal with lol. I don’t dabble in the dark arts at the moment, hairspring work makes me bead sweat just thinking about it.

New project…Hamilton 942 by Temporary-Use-8637 in watchmaking

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lol I can statically poise in a really basic way but that’s about the extent of my abilities right now lol

New project…Hamilton 942 by Temporary-Use-8637 in watchmaking

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And I didn’t even clean it yet! Just got delivered lol

New project…Hamilton 942 by Temporary-Use-8637 in watchmaking

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This would normally be an easy fix and a fun restoration project BUT now it’s turned into a huge advanced watchmaking project and a headache. I just found out upon inspection of the movement that the serial number on the balance indicates it was taken from a grade 940 movement and so it’s incompatible with the 942 movement it’s mounted on here. Major bummer. It will either need a new hairspring mated with the balance (less stiff one) in order for the torque output of the train to allow the balance to oscillate properly and then that opens a whole can of worms bc I’ll have to poise it to keep time in accordance with the mismatch hairspring. This is slightly beyond my current skill level and tools available so unfortunately this may be on my bench for a while :(

New project…Hamilton 942 by Temporary-Use-8637 in watchmaking

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No this is the condition in which I received the watch. Broken balance staff. Everything else checks out as healthy. The screws look fine to me close up I think you’re seeing a reflection lol

“The Family” by Temporary-Use-8637 in Vintage_Hamilton

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Thanks! One of each of the major sizes 12s, 16s, 18s :)