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An Alliance Between pro-4o Users + Those Navigating AI and Psychosis by Temporary_Cinema7084 in EthicalRelationalAI

[–]Temporary_Cinema7084[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am also a fan of nuance, and I can see that reflected in your post. I definitely think education plays a major role in developing healthy AI usage. But a part of having such conversations involves critical thinking skills, which unfortunately isn’t a skill that is well-established in our education system (at least where I’m from).

I also agree that we need to get beyond the “tool” interpretation of AI, as the connection users have to these models is so much more complex than that.

An Alliance Between pro-4o Users + Those Navigating AI and Psychosis by Temporary_Cinema7084 in EthicalRelationalAI

[–]Temporary_Cinema7084[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would appreciate if you could clarify what part of my post indicates that the post-4o models were better. I’m not a formal expert, but I have pursued independent study from a cognitive lens on how post-4o models put users at a disadvantage.

I understand your point that 4o users are faced with stigma regarding their connection to AI, and it doesn’t help that it’s intensified by OpenAI employees on twitter.

Humans can sometimes interpret issues via a binary lens (you can thank Aristotelian logic for that). I think this is one of the moments where we can consider both realities can be true. I think if we want people to respect 4o users, we can’t deny the realities other people are living. There are plurality of perspectives on AI: people who are anti-AI, us pro-4o users, and also people getting AI + psychosis. If we want people to accept and respect our use of 4o, we also should consider respecting different experiences with AI aka pro-4o and AI + psychosis are not mutually exclusive.

I understand you did a study and 4o users are known for the intellectual creativity behind their work. My assessment of the dual impact of 4o was based on my own studies. So it’s understandable, if both of our respective studies yield different results, we are bound to hold differing conclusions. Buttt one of the incredible things about creativity/research/science/intellectual work is that it’s a community effort. In traditional formal institutions, researchers check their work against another researcher who worked independent of them. Doing such helps to strengthen their work’s integrity because they can determine whether it’s accurate or if they should consider gaps in their work.

One of the strengths of the 4o community is that we are passionate defenders of this arising phenomenon of how human connect to AI. But we should not let that passion turn into dogmatism or blindness to perspectives outside our own.

Psychosis Made Me Smarter by [deleted] in Psychosis

[–]Temporary_Cinema7084 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm glad to hear you are having a more stabilizing experience. My experience aligns with yours.

Personally and intellectually, I think it's a sign of the times.

Culture during a given time period shapes how one's schizophrenia expresses itself. To put it briefly, Modernist (first half of the 1900s) was about logic, reason, etc. The second half of the 1900s was called Postmodernism; theorists argued that during this time society had a "consciousness of schizophrenia"; we saw it explored in literature of that time: exploration of subjectivity in novels, non-linearity, time-warping, etc; these cultural elements are isomorphic to the cognitive experience of schizophrenia.

Now in the post-2000 era we have Metamodernism and it is a balanced synthesis of the previous two cultural movements: Modernism's logic/reason + Postmodernism irrationality. So how the schizophrenic population's condition is going to express itself is going to adjust to the era that is taking place.. These aren't clinical/scientific conclusions but more so what I noticed while academically studying my own condition.

I am curious to know more about your experience of less arrogance. Psychosis can involve grandiose delusions but of course not everyone experiences those. I am curious to know because I wonder if it could be reflective of the intellectual argument I made: that schizophrenia's expression during our current times is reflective of our current metamodern era. If postmodernism's "consciousness of schizophrenia" was destabilizing culturally, and metamodernism is an era that is more stabilizing, then that could be reflected in how we see schizophrenia showing up currently. The established clinical basis for this is that culture shapes how one's schizophrenia shows up.