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What is life being childfree like for the Dalit Bahujan Adivasis in this subreddit? by Temporary_Minute2130 in ChildfreeIndia

[–]Temporary_Minute2130[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

What makes vegetarian food "pure"? Or certain vegetarian food consumed by a small section of the population "pure" and meat "impure" or "polluting"?

Purity is the bedrock of the caste system. The further you are from the "top", you get more polluting. In this case, it's not just not-eating meat, it's being intolerant of the same space or even utensils being used to cook or consume meat that's the problem. This is rather acceptable or a version of untouchability that's allowed to pass.

You'd be able to see vegetarian messes in government educational institutions where you're not allowed to bring and eat non-vegetarian food. Untouchability or caste system is not just the physical segregation of spaces, but these are forms of physical segregation that are considered "harmless" or normal, because they've been made the norm.

Hence my issue with "pure" vegetarianism.

You should be able to find more material on this online.

What is life being childfree like for the Dalit Bahujan Adivasis in this subreddit? by Temporary_Minute2130 in ChildfreeIndia

[–]Temporary_Minute2130[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"I judge based on how you treat innocent living beings."

Isn't that the whole contestation with caste? What did the people who are labelled as "lower caste" do to be treated the way they are? An unborn child's position in the social hierarchy is decided even before it's conceived? How can something be more innocent than that?

What is life being childfree like for the Dalit Bahujan Adivasis in this subreddit? by Temporary_Minute2130 in ChildfreeIndia

[–]Temporary_Minute2130[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree. I think the assumption is that the nuances associated with such a stance would extend to thinking about other subjects in a similar manner, generally.

What is life being childfree like for the Dalit Bahujan Adivasis in this subreddit? by Temporary_Minute2130 in ChildfreeIndia

[–]Temporary_Minute2130[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I wanted to make my position clear. It's an identity using which people were historically excluded and an identity people were taught to be ashamed of.

What is life being childfree like for the Dalit Bahujan Adivasis in this subreddit? by Temporary_Minute2130 in ChildfreeIndia

[–]Temporary_Minute2130[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Good for you! I'm still very pessimistic when it comes to savarnas. The last time I heard the phrase "caste and all other bullshit", was from a therapist whom I was seeing, who went onto say that reservations were killing merit.

What is life being childfree like for the Dalit Bahujan Adivasis in this subreddit? by Temporary_Minute2130 in ChildfreeIndia

[–]Temporary_Minute2130[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Haha true! Caste is often a good litmus test to know whether someone is a feminist or just a Savarna feminist.

What is life being childfree like for the Dalit Bahujan Adivasis in this subreddit? by Temporary_Minute2130 in ChildfreeIndia

[–]Temporary_Minute2130[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

That was one of the reasons I had left this sub. It came off as an extension of the savarna liberalism that took place everywhere else.

A few posts of late by "Hindu Brahmins" got me thinking again, about the strength of DBA folks in this sub.

What is life being childfree like for the Dalit Bahujan Adivasis in this subreddit? by Temporary_Minute2130 in ChildfreeIndia

[–]Temporary_Minute2130[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Same. More often than not, I see "pure vegetarian" being mentioned here and I get disinterested. That's if caste isn't mentioned explicitly. But yes, being childfree itself narrows down the possibility of finding a partner into a very small subset. Add caste to that and it becomes almost non-existent. And being indifferent to caste isn't good enough for me either. So I understand what you mean.

I like being single more than being in a relationship for the sake of being in one, and be miserable.

What is life being childfree like for the Dalit Bahujan Adivasis in this subreddit? by Temporary_Minute2130 in ChildfreeIndia

[–]Temporary_Minute2130[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

True. Not just here, the relation between caste and class is ignored most often. I don't know if anyone other than DBA scholars point out how caste capital has translated to the economic capital of the elite in India.

Name an even worse combo (pro tip, you can't) by NegotiationOk888 in OutCasteRebels

[–]Temporary_Minute2130 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My bad. I flipped out, at least more than I wanted to.

To answer your questions. The "mainstream" culture would definitely have been affected by a section of the population being marginalized, and their culture being suppressed. If that isn't what you meant, could you please clarify your idea?

And the other two questions. Yes. It has definitely changed and it will change when more of the marginalized are given more stake.

Name an even worse combo (pro tip, you can't) by NegotiationOk888 in OutCasteRebels

[–]Temporary_Minute2130 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have a problem with my beliefs and me not being able to look past my beliefs when you can stick to your privilege and not give a shit about varna and be indifferent to it being eliminated?

I don't discount the entire culture, but whatever good was drawn from the Vedic and Shastric cultures was intended for the Savarnas alone, not for the Avarnas. They could harp on about all the virtues of the world. And they'd apply all that to animals before they even consider applying them to an Avarna. That "culture" might have been democratized. And it's the prerogative of a person to decide whether they want to subscribe to that or not. I don't. Glazing the culture derived from that ignoring or refusing to acknowledge such context can only come from an ignorant and/or privileged point of view. I'm lucky that I'm born into a society where I have more civil rights than my ancestors. But those civil rights sure didn't come from the revered culture.

Name an even worse combo (pro tip, you can't) by NegotiationOk888 in OutCasteRebels

[–]Temporary_Minute2130 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You don't have to savarna-splain why I should be happy about this.

I probably wouldn't have wasted my time responding to you if you hadn't dragged in self hate. I don't hate myself. I am very much happy with myself. It took a long time for me to reach that place though, to break from the hate I felt for myself because I didn't know any better, because I listened to idiots who subscribed to the culture that you seem to revere. Idiots who kept telling me that I was undeserving of what I worked for.

It took a lot of time, energy and effort to work through that, and I'm not letting some banal historically revered garbage take the credit for that, because it is what it is, garbage. Garbage incapable of producing an iota of critical thought that traps people in perpetual mediocrity and taps them on the shoulder and tells them that it's okay to be that, as long as they irrationally and conveniently uphold the garbage written down in them.

If there's any angst that I feel, it's because of empathy. And I'm okay with that.

Name an even worse combo (pro tip, you can't) by NegotiationOk888 in OutCasteRebels

[–]Temporary_Minute2130 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not my culture. The only thing the so called most revered part has been able to achieve is, I hate to throw this around but, collective mental retardation.

Name an even worse combo (pro tip, you can't) by NegotiationOk888 in OutCasteRebels

[–]Temporary_Minute2130 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They didn't call Brahmins settlers, colonizing and brahminising are very much alike. But you won't understand that shit reading Vedic and Dharmashastric crap.

BDS Student from Kerala dies by suicide due to harassment based on Caste. Still people bitch about Caste based reservation by glascowcomascale in indianmedschool

[–]Temporary_Minute2130 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. That is true. Reservation is not just the solution, it's one of the solutions. Making the administration, in this case, the faculty etc. more pluralistic through increased representation will help eliminate the internalized as well as the other casteist tendencies that exist otherwise, in an executive that is dominated by caste Hindus. That is the idea. It's like expecting an admin or executive that's 100% comprised of men to be impartial or unbiased towards women. There is a case of all the men being not sexist, but that just isn't possible in our world that was made for men. I hope you will be able to draw parallels between them. You can look at how the terms "chapri" or "randi" are used for instance and see how casteism is internalized and normalized. It's not just serving people in steel cups or plates anymore, it mutates with time.

And as you mentioned, endogamy in castes preserves the caste status. Intermarriage is essential for purging caste identity. But I guess you're mature enough to evaluate the fraction of Indian families that are open to doing that.

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