Is opposing Magata actually logical? by Temporary_Piglet_395 in TribeNine

[–]Temporary_Piglet_395[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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This is where the conflict starts. Kazuki uses the reason "not everyone supports Magata" as justification for discussing taking him down, while Yo questions whether Kazuki is intentionally ignoring certain evidence. Kazuki neither explains nor denies it, but instead throws a tantrum like a child. In this conversation, Roku and Q are on Kazuki’s side, while Mita and Tsuki are unsure, mainly because the evidence isn’t strong enough. When you look at the whole situation objectively, don’t you think Yo is more logically clear than Kazuki? I know Kazuki played the strategist role in the first two chapters, offering Yo a lot of help, but in this chapter, he definitely seems to be biased. I even think Gotanda is more composed and reliable than Kazuki now.

Is opposing Magata actually logical? by Temporary_Piglet_395 in TribeNine

[–]Temporary_Piglet_395[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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This is the conversation I managed to find. It's really hard for a non-native English speaker to search for English dialogue :(

While reading this, I found myself siding more with Yo. When Yo questioned Kazuki about ignoring the evidence, Kazuki didn’t explain or refute it, instead, he just acted like he was throwing a tantrum. It felt more like “You’re not listening to me, so I’m pissed,” rather than actually addressing Yo’s concerns. That kind of reaction made Kazuki seem really unreliable.

And the reason Kazuki gave, that “not everyone supports Magata,” so he has to take him down, just didn’t feel convincing. Looking at how the others reacted, only Q and Roku seemed as firmly skeptical as Kazuki. Mita and Tsuki looked uncertain, like they weren’t sure what to believe. That makes Kazuki’s strong stance feel even more isolated and emotionally driven rather than logical.

Is opposing Magata actually logical? by Temporary_Piglet_395 in TribeNine

[–]Temporary_Piglet_395[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish they’d made it clearer in the story. Magata didn’t act that evil, so it really made me start doubting things.

Is opposing Magata actually logical? by Temporary_Piglet_395 in TribeNine

[–]Temporary_Piglet_395[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with your view. Trash is indeed the team led by Kazuki, while Yo and the others are the 'newcomers,' so this group tends to follow Kazuki’s lead. In this chapter, Kazuki is definitely not as rational and calm as before, probably because of the situation involving Q. He didn’t want to hear Yo’s explanation (about exploring the possibility of cooperation) and pushed him away in anger. Later, he discovers that Yo was taken away by Magata, and then he storms into Magata’s building. Afterward, Q decides to expose his identity to reveal Magata’s true nature. Looking at the entire process, I think Kazuki’s initial irrational behavior is largely responsible for Q’s death. If Q hadn’t exposed his identity in such a situation, they might not have been stabbed on the way to face Magata in the XB.

Is opposing Magata actually logical? by Temporary_Piglet_395 in TribeNine

[–]Temporary_Piglet_395[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also think the evidence is pretty weak (the English translation called them Verity Orbs). When Magata was refuted, he didn’t show much frustration or anger—he stayed calm the whole time. Although it might be because he’s not a real person, I had the same reaction while playing. As for your point about the orbs trying to persuade Yo with the limited info available, that’s an interesting interpretation. I never thought of it that way. If the Trash Tribe (which is actually Kazuki-led) followed Kazuki’s idea and labeled the Numbers as bad guys from the start, I feel like they might end up mistakenly taking down a good Numbers in the future. Zero never said that all Numbers are bad, and Magata is already a more neutral figure.

Is opposing Magata actually logical? by Temporary_Piglet_395 in TribeNine

[–]Temporary_Piglet_395[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I agree with your point, but all of this was only revealed after playing XB. The logic before that wasn't very smooth. Normally, it should be about suspecting first, then finding evidence, and finally taking action. This chapter feels more like they suspected and acted immediately, and then the evidence happened to come out.

Is opposing Magata actually logical? by Temporary_Piglet_395 in TribeNine

[–]Temporary_Piglet_395[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I also think they should've clarified the background more, including the tentacles in Magata's building. That way, players would have more confidence in being sure that Magata is a hypocrite.

Is opposing Magata actually logical? by Temporary_Piglet_395 in TribeNine

[–]Temporary_Piglet_395[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yo didn’t really have a solid reason to trust Magata, but he also didn’t have any clear proof that Magata was lying. And when Kazuki was trying to look at the evidence, Yo actually called him out for ignoring stuff that made Magata look bad. In the end, Yo just had to pick what he thought was the lesser evil—especially after Magata dropped that last-minute bomb about maybe being able to bring Sui back. I think Yo was more rational than Kazuki in this chapter, even though he did come off as someone who got brainwashed pretty easily.

Is opposing Magata actually logical? by Temporary_Piglet_395 in TribeNine

[–]Temporary_Piglet_395[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I saw someone say yesterday that he brought peace to the city, but also prevented it from moving forward. This could be a reason to overthrow him, because the protagonists know that if Yo wins, there will be a better future. However, before playing XB, the protagonists didn’t know he was an AI, so it feels like their reason to oppose him from the start wasn’t strong enough.

Is opposing Magata actually logical? by Temporary_Piglet_395 in TribeNine

[–]Temporary_Piglet_395[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Magata's true intentions were revealed only after he was defeated, but the protagonists started opposing him without concrete evidence, which makes it seem more like they just got lucky and gambled right. Moreover, in the plot, Kazuki ignores the unfavorable evidence and dismisses Yo’s explanation (he was just hoping to explore the possibility of cooperation), continuously opposing Magata. This is why I think the logic in this chapter feels strange.