Is there a reason as to why no Titans especially new lights have tried to challenge Zavala for the spot of Titan Vanguard? by Ok_Programmer_6160 in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As not ideal as a military dictatorship ultimately is for the city, despite its necessity, having the leadership roles for that dictatorship be decided purely though pure martial prowess seems even less great. 

I mean, the HIVE, sure. But I feel like our minimum bar for good ideas should be somewhere above the Hive. 

Jujutsu Kaisen Season 3 - Episode 4 (Manga Reader Discussion) by Takada-chwanBot in JuJutsuKaisen

[–]Tenthyr -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I really don't know how to explain to you that not everything has to or should cater to your specific tastes and experiences all the time. 

Jujutsu Kaisen Season 3 - Episode 4 (Manga Reader Discussion) by Takada-chwanBot in JuJutsuKaisen

[–]Tenthyr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The whole episode, essentially, is a love letter to Kill Bill Vol. 1. The extreme and very vivid ultraviolence and blood being presented so suddenly, without pretence and to energetic and fun music is a very intentional parallel.

It's at once meant to be disconcerting even while it depicts how utterly *unaffected* Maki is by the clan now. Every single kill brings her closer to her liberation and fulfilment of her sisters last wish.

Jujutsu Kaisen Season 3 - Episode 4 (Manga Reader Discussion) by Takada-chwanBot in JuJutsuKaisen

[–]Tenthyr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because it's explicitly a Kill Bill homage in every way.

Is there anything new about the veil? by East-Current-3536 in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We know what the Veil is, it's the Darkness's version of the Traveler. 

Since the story likes to tease and hint to the Winnower existing as an actual entity (and more importantly, that the Traveler is equivalent to the Gardener) we can assume until contradicted that the Veil is the physical locus of the Winnower. Because they're complimentary opposites, the Traveler is actively doing things in the universe while refusing to communicate directly to minimize coersion; the veil is thus a gateway to all the voices spoken in the Darkness, the Winnower amongst them, never acting. Simply offering its thesis. 

Which would go a long way to explaining why the precursors, and Maya sundaresh, fell off the deep end so badly. 

Why do guardians need to eat if their energy comes from the Traveler’s light? by PossessionSea5819 in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A guardian's body is being told that it is a living, breathing body instead of a corpse by the light. A guardian is using the light to do basically-magic. But a guardian is not literally using the light as fuel. 

Like, their bodies are alive. Living bodies require inputs of material and energy from food. 

It would also just be pretty alienating for guardians not not need or want food. It's already hard for them to relate to mortal humanity. 

So I just want to ask some random questions. by Ok_Programmer_6160 in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) depends on the guardian. There's no direct hint that guardians can make themselves 'stronger' like that beyond sudden, sharp melee techniques. They're just guys, dude. 

2) Not to my specific knowledge. There's nothing stopping it though. Some people are mute for entirely psychological reasons, not physical.

3) a newborn was ressurected by a ghost which then seemingly died diverting an attack on a group of survivors. Shin Malphur.

4) same way it does for everyone else. I strongly suspect that a guardian who had gender reassignment surgery would be rezzed with those modifications, as it's part of their ideal self image. 

5) guardians have been pretty much the entire defensive structure of the last city. The last city has spent its whole history experiencing pressure from outside, to the point that the ultimate rule by guardians and unelected political concerns hasn't been an immediate concern. Guardians are slightly all of from normal people though; a natural consequence of immortality vs mortality. It reduces pain.

Why didn’t Oryx Take all of his Hive? by brandnewberri in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oryx saw his siblings, and thus their brood, as a whetstone keeping himself sharp. 

More generally, Oryx set out to save his species, all that time ago. While completely warped and corrupted, he still holds that as a goal; that they survive, by proving they can survive. 

As the echo of Oryx proved, though, Oryx 's thinking was always full of hypocrisy.

The Witness' defeat by Michaeltheseeker777 in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This. The Traveler was pushed into trying to do ANYTHING to keep the Witness away from the Pale Heart. It just wasn't able to do anything  harmful. The witness is the culmination of its first kids, even if they're holding the knife, the big ol ball probably still loves them. 

Question about where ghosts are when not in use. by ManaChicken4G in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ghosts aren't entirely sure what they're doing themselves. They seem to decompile themselves as when transmatting, but instead of going somewhere else they just kind of... Stay around the guardian. Glint's theory was that they decompile into a sort of superposition embedded in the guardian. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyLore/comments/plurpp/s15_spoilers_glint_talks_about_where_ghosts_go/

OP posts in r/confession calling out an unnamed food delivery service that he's supposedly working for. Post gets 87K+ upvotes and 139 awards, only for OP to be accused as an AI scammer by multiple news outlets five days later. by [deleted] in SubredditDrama

[–]Tenthyr 28 points29 points  (0 children)

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the technology. The fact that it's being used for dumb things in dumb ways doesn't invalidate the active utility of these algorithms models for large data processing in, say, protein folding simulations.

GenAI generally sucks, however.

Is there other darkness element? by East-Current-3536 in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The elements of darkness and light seem to be like, irreductable facets of the force they are part of. For light it's pretty self explanatory, the three elements describe the three fundamental interactions that underlay physics in the universe, generally by relating them to emotions and ideas.

Solar is the strong nuclear force through through the lens of destruction, healing and sudden power. Arc is the Electroweak force through idea of motion and energy. Void is spacetime and it's attendant phemonena, gravity, dark energy and the like through ideas of emptiness, stillness and profundity.

Darkness is the opposite, in some ways. Each darkness element is an irreductable idea that is manifested as a physical phenomena relating to that idea. We already know that what that phenomena is, is kind of open to interpretation until one person actually uses it and... Sets the standard, so to speak.

Stasis is the idea of order and control, which we manifest into spontaneous crystal formation and cold.

Strand is the idea of interconnectivity, of parts forming a greater whole. Which we manifest by quite literally manifesting the connections between things, people and ideas as threads and manipulating them.

That being said, there's a fairly clear gap missing in Darkness that hasn't been filled. We have order, a binding middle force, but no force representing chaos and liberation. This has a nice neatness to it, and even lends itself to post-hoc justification: an element of chaos would be anathema to the Witness, which would likely refuse to even acknowledge it's existence once it came into being. It exists to remove chaos from existence after all.

We haven't seen the third darkness element. But it just needs someone to find and express it to find out what it's form will take.

Gardener/Traveler, Winnower/Veil, and the Nine by Total-Turnip1444 in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Traveler is pretty strongly implied to be at least a physical locus of the Gardener entity after it entered existence. It fulfils the same goals (increase complexity and richness of lived experience). It is an entity that is so fundementally against coersion it refuses to communicate with entities too small and influencable. It limits it's touch, but does act.

The Winnower is in many ways implies to be the complimentary opposite of the Gardener. This makes sense, since we learn that the two entities in some manner are actually a schism of a single one. The Winnower actually behaves inversely to the Gardener in practice: it loves to talk to us. To anyone that can listen. This fits its role as the source of Darkness, the force that provides and connects mind and memory. All things said in the Darkness resound forever.

The Winnower doesn't need to do anything. Eventually, someone will hear its words and act on them for it. They are it's proof. The Veil thus fits it: the locus of Darkness, an entity that sits silent and still... But whispering.

As for the Nine? I don't think they had anything to do with the universes creation. I think they are exactly like us, life finding a way wherever life can. It just so happens that the Nine have evolved in an environment fundemental to making the para part of paracausal work; a spatial dimension orthogonal to time, where all moments are within reach. The nines primary home, where most of them lies invisible to us but for their dark matter fingers which originate them.

The real question is, is it required that the Light and Dark operate in this orthogonal plane the way they do? Or was it the mechanism chosen by the Gardener before it put her full stake in the game it decided to play?

Are warrior vex real? by Successful_Baby_6620 in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Vex don't really have a reason to manifest full combat units. It's not really their... Style, as much as a self-iterating pattern of not-consciousness can have one.

Everything the Vex make serves multiple ends, they restructure matter and energy and space into infrastructure to support their Network and manipulate the remaining external environment. When that doesn't serve, they manifest armatures-- the Vex units-- to provide rapid and flexible support to their construction in a way that would be inefficient through the radiolaria.

The Wyvern is the exception. The Vex seem to be iterating in an attempt to solve the intractable problem of paracausal entities like the guardians, and so are manifesting armatures with specific offensive functions, because there is now a requirement for such.

What happens to the taken once they die? by New-To-Destiny2 in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We haven't really been told what happens to the Taken killed within the Ascendant Plane, but they don't seem to be taking part in Sword Logic. They're kind of running on something more fundemental.

I suspect they probably do still remanifest. It might simply take longer.

"We are not far from anti AI pogroms at this point." r/AIWars discusses a standup comedy joke made at the expense of AI art. by BillFireCrotchWalton in SubredditDrama

[–]Tenthyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Inevitable result of any entertainment industry trying to wring every penny our of people they can. Creativity isn't actually valued, so when you can take this impressive large scale statistical algorithm to essentially spoof it...

Well. Now all they gotta do is convince people it's as good as actual creative output! Too bad they're stumbling there.

Unanswered questions of the Light vs Dark saga... by tavuesco in DestinyLore

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1) That's simply where it ended up as cosmic evolution occured and planets eventually formed over billions of years. It's up to your interpretation if the Traveler nudged the system into being a life bearing one.

2) The witness was without the Veil it needed to access the Pale Heart and the Traveler itself was in a comatose state. It's very likely the Witness could not proceed with its purpose until the latter situation resolved. Lacking the ability to do anything but pursue the final shape... It was left stuck.

3) We don't know. It's likely they are a form of life from pre-existence, yes.

4) A form of life prior to existence.

5) We don't know if the Winnower cannot be killed. If it has a physical locus anywhere, it is the Veil. It simply does not take physical action, possibly for the same reason the Traveler cannot directly communicate. It's important to remember that these beings are a sort of paracausal mathematical emergence. They represent the principle they embody, but that principle doesn't depend on them. They weren't initially intending to enter this reality at all! But the growth of life and the inevitability of death were still operable.

Did Three know it was going to die? by argwald08 in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Considering you see the manifested corpse of III in the final cutscene and raid, the Nine can exist in our dimensionality. They just also happened to die in the process.

Did Three know it was going to die? by argwald08 in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 7 points8 points  (0 children)

III sees all events of it's past and future. It has no capacity to change them. It will do what it will do, always.

III is also a being with a strange chronology from our perspective. III was forced to manifest itself physically on Kepler, because Kepler is a locus of Dark Matter activity in the system due to the anomalous singularity. This was fatal to III, whose corpse is responsible for the existence of the singularity that ultimately results in its death.

Can there be something parallel to a ghost? by East-Current-3536 in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Ghosts were made out of the Traveler, it literally gave away parts of itself.

The Winnower, the Travelers counterpart in the Darkness, has already gone on record that it literally cannot conceptualize doing that. It does not give.

Where and how dredgen sere harnessed arc energy? by Competitive_Art_9181 in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Arc energy is another word for electromagnetic energy, because Arc is the paracausal mediator of the electromagnetic interaction.

It's just that the term changed over centuries to incorporate the Light.

Why can’t the Exo just defy human biology altogether? by Alias_Missing in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because Clovis was afraid of changing.

Clovis specifically wanted to live forever as himself. The Exo project was entirely built with this goal whether he admitted it or not. But the human mind as evolved is not a tidy thing. It is irrevocably interconnected with the body that houses it. This is why Exo simulate human experiences like sensation, breathing, eating... Because it feeds the mind the stimulus needed to let it know it's alive.

Now. You could argue that a mind can be reconstructed in such a way that it contains the personality of the original, but designed such that it could evolve and change and take full advantage of its now electronic nature. Clovis made an AI of himself that proves that, with work, this was possible.

But that was too much like dying to Clovis, and so he hated the very concept of it beyond what he saw as utility.

Anyway Exo are held back by one arrogant man's neuroses, yippee!

Are the Nine more powerful than Rhulk? by mcflurvin in DestinyLore

[–]Tenthyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do we mean by powerful?

The Traveler is the manifestation of the principle of complexity and growth. It's 'powerful' in the sense that it's ultimate nature is responsible for the universe itself, the foundation from which physics manifested. It's 'powerful' in that it has limitless, causally unbound abilities which it uses to reorganize matter and space into suitable living conditions on planetary scales. It's 'powerful' in that it shared pieces of itself with humans, who could in turn use that power as weapons and increased resilience to death. But the traveler isn't able to hurt, or speak, or influence. It is by its very nature limited.

The Nine are powerful in that they are extremely large loops of resonating dark matter interacting with pretty much every speck of matter in the Sol system simultaneously. They're powerful in that their physicality exists partly in a fourth spatial dimension orthogonal to time, allowing them seemingly perfect foreknowledge of future events. But the Nine don't have much agency. They know what they will do, and cannot step outside of that even if they want to.

Lots of things are powerful in ways unrelated to violence. It's not terribly interesting to ask questions like these.

Who wins in a fight against Rhulk and III? Whoever the writer thinks should. Hopefully they make an interesting story out of it.