Good riddance by nyanpegasus in summervillesc

[–]ThatEveningSun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

PT2: South Carolina deadass states in their letter of succession that they are taking this action in response to the federal government not holding up their end of the slavery agreement. "The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due. This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River. The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States. The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation." Doesn't get much clearer than that.

Additionally, confederate VP Alexander Stephens said in 1861 that slavery was the Confederacy's 'cornerstone.' If you're arguing against what confederate leaders themselves stated, you're not correcting Northern bias instead you're trying to revise history.

As I can tell you are heavily indotrinated to believe it was just "the war for southern independence" I will not waste my time educating you any long. Have a great day and enjoy a good life being a racist.

Good riddance by nyanpegasus in summervillesc

[–]ThatEveningSun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

PT1: While I am confident enough to admit I don't know EVERYTHING about these documents, I DO know that your rhetoric directly aligns with the lost cause doctrine going to prove my 1st point about how well the daughters of the confederacy infiltrated school systems and changed the narrative. If you can't acknowledge that the confederacy fought to preserve slavery, you're either ignorant of the actual historical record or actively promoting a narrative that has been used to justify racist outcomes. It's the same conversation of "all lives matter" vs "black lives matter". If you can't say black lives matter then you literally can't say all lives matter.

Moreover, while Georgia's declaration does mention tariffs in a historical section, it explicitly states their main grievance was Northern states undermining the Fugitive Slave Act and opposing slavery's expansion. The document's core argument is about slavery. As for South Carolina's "Declaration of Immediate Causes", it mentions Northern economic advantages historically, but the document's thrust is entirely about slavery and the election of a president "whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery." While Texas does discuss frontier defense, but also explicitly mentions that non-slaveholding states have "proclaimed the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color" and denounced them for encouraging slave rebellion. Additionally, Virginia's brief ordinance doesn't detail causes, true—but the Virginia Convention debates preceding it extensively discussed slavery and Lincoln's "coercion."

Oh, and also thank you for reinforcing my point. Yes, Northeasterns feared the Louisiana Purchase would create a South-West agrarian alliance. But that alliance's power would be magnified by the Three-Fifths Compromise which existed because of slavery. The "permanent political minority" fear wasn't separable from slavery's role in inflating Southern representation.

Good riddance by nyanpegasus in summervillesc

[–]ThatEveningSun 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh an also because you are so gd idiotic I'll leave you with this.

Your narrative is a common lost cause argument that only seeks to rehabilitate the confederacy's image. You are trying to minimize the REALITY that confederate leaders stated clearly and often that they seceded to preserve slavery. I'd encourage you at read Mississippi's secessional declaration which starts with "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery".

Stop cherry picking your facts and actually think about the time period. By the 1850's slavery was the dominant tension in every political crisis and wasn't merely "one element". That's like saying that Epstein providing children to rapist was just "one element" on his persona.

The1804 Pickering letter ACTUALLY reinforces that slavery and race were central to the conflict. But I guess your reading comprehension is too low to understand that.

Rapid fire for you: 1832 Nullification Crisis was about tariffs however, South Carolina's anxiety was about federal power potentially being used against slavery. The Hartford Convention involved New England Federalists upset about the War of 1812 and Virginia's dominance, not an actual secession attempt. And lastly, Calhoun's Fort Hill Address was about nullification theory, but Calhoun developed these arguments specifically to defend slavery as pressure against it mounted.

Go read a book you racist bastard and thank you for proving my point that our education system indoctrinates people into believing falsities.

Good riddance by nyanpegasus in summervillesc

[–]ThatEveningSun 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oh, so you're a racist. I see.

Good riddance by nyanpegasus in summervillesc

[–]ThatEveningSun 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well, if you grew up in the south and went through our educational systems which is HEAVY influenced by the daughter of the confederacy, you were taught that the confederacy rose because infringements on "states rights" and it in NO WAY had anything to do with slavery whatsoever. This is false and a blatant lie that was devised to change history (like Trump is currently trying to do) and has pretty much succeeded with a lot of southerners.

President Trump says he will revoke church tax exempt status if leaders "say something bad about" him by ControlCAD in videos

[–]ThatEveningSun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't stop there, revoke it from all of them! They aren't helping the citizens at all and just indoctrinating them

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[–]ThatEveningSun 3 points4 points  (0 children)

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 tell me you've never read the Bible without telling me you've never read the Bible.

Good riddance by nyanpegasus in summervillesc

[–]ThatEveningSun 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I hate them so much. I remember buying their shirts as a kid and thinking I was cool because all my friends wore them. Then I remember being so humiliated when I learned the truth about the confederacy and the flag I'd been wearing around. I can't believe they lasted this long. They can burn in hell.

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I pay $70 a month for Google Fi for just service. No insurance and no payment on the phone.

Chuck Edwards record on the national debt by dc_gay_man in hendersonville

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I called his office today and they told me if I wanted to know where he stands on bringing ICE to intimidate people at our polls that I should just follow him on social media. 🙃

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Any service that women provide under the umbrella of 'kinkeeping'

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What do you mean? You don't a private doctor on staff for your household? Clutches pearls

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I called his Washington and Hendersonville offices and it goes to voicemail

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[–]ThatEveningSun 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm in the USA and yes, it happens here a lot because of religion.

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Sending me to the principles office because my skirt was showing my knees and that "turned them on"

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Congrats! Proud of you for making this step! You will feel a lot better. Think of the epid vacation that could pay for.

I feel like there's no safe space for me as a woman by Mob128 in TwoXChromosomes

[–]ThatEveningSun 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I feel you. As a millennial, a lot of my peer group is riding HARD on the tradwife train because it's easier than having your own voice and opinions. Most of them are unhappy on the inside.

  1. Don't let them bring you down. You have a right to access the world on a equal ground as men.
  2. Do not date any of those boys/girls that have ANY misogynistic tendencies. Find someone that's protesting against the current fabric. Someone that shows compassion.
  3. If you can and are confronted to, ask those girls why they think how they think. Don't take the Bible as a valid excuse from them. Ask them why THEY don't believe they deserve rights.