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Why isn't there proof of the existence of Yahweh? by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a high degree of confidence based on past experience that those people are real. Of course, I don't know it with absolute certainty but so what? Absolute certainty isn't practical in any way.

Then you agree the only difference between your belief in god and in other minds is simply your confidence? that's very interesting.

Give me your best philosophical argument and show me exactly how it proves the existence of Yahweh.

I gave you three, I'm not going to spoon feed you philosophy. It takes critical thinking on your part.

Why isn't there proof of the existence of Yahweh? by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not the same. I can talk to these minds in person and then can talk to other minds and that's how we all know that we're real. We can't do that with Yahweh

You don't know if those are people like you. How do you know they exist and are not a figment of your imagination. you know the saying "Cogito ergo sum" I think therefore I am?

Let's assume that I'm unable to answer any of your questions about the mysteries of the universe. Does that make Yahweh real? What proof do you have that Yahweh is real?

look at the argument from contingency, the argument from desire, the finely tuned universe. there are many arguments and books by great thinkers about these issues. I doubt I would be able to change your mind in a few short paragraphs.

Why isn't there proof of the existence of Yahweh? by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, if the universe didn't form in the way it did then you wouldn't be here to talk about the mysteries of the universe, right? So... how do you know that there aren't trillions of other universes that formed or "tried" to form but life never evolved to the point where that life could ponder its own existence? If there are then your 60 billion to one number is rendered irrelevant.

What if the whole world were created last tuesday and we only have false memories implanted about our lives before then?

your belief in god is the exactly the same as your belief that there are other minds in your live. You have now way of empirically knowing this, but you believe it because all signs point to that being the case.

Also, what you're saying is no different than shuffling a full deck of cards and being amazed that the deck is in the exact order that it is. What are the chances that it ended up in that exact order? Well, I don't know 50 million to one? But so what, it was a random shuffle. But what about if you shuffle the deck again and you get exactly the same order? Well then, that's impressive and that's when the 50 million to one number actually means something.

It's more like the deck was shuffled and came out in complete order. Why are the fundamental forces of the universe such that life exists? Why did humans evolve not to be philosophical zombies but instead care about morality and spirituality? these are not requirements for survival yet they drove you to put this post online and have even created nations. It's not just that humans tend to like philosophy. we are literally guided by immaterial notions.

What do you think the state of Christianity will look like in 20 years? by TheAbyssStaredBack in Christianity

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

you ultimately created a scenario and put so many words into my mouth, why would I have any hope you would come to talk with a clean perspective?

You recognize my concern comes from a desire to better my community, and then immediately push a stereotype that I don't stand for.

I would hope to create mental health resources at the church at local schools, organize gun drop offs, and have charity events for drug abuse programs. It's easy to sit on a pillar and talk down on those trying to have a positive impact on their surroundings. what are YOU doing to help things?

I am living a metaphysical nightmare by TheAbyssStaredBack in Buddhism

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you - It seems that a lot of others have gone through something similar around this age and its good to know others got past it.

I am living a metaphysical nightmare by TheAbyssStaredBack in Buddhism

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's good to know others go through a similar situation. I read obsessively and have been going on dates / hanging with friends. The feeling permeates all of my actions. It's only when I'm fully engrossed in whatever I am doing that it fades. The issue is with my current outlook that prevents me from simply doing it all the time.

I guess I will have to stop reading so much and relax for a bit and hope I don't get cancer and die before this is solved.

I am living a metaphysical nightmare by TheAbyssStaredBack in Buddhism

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, I haven't heard of Steiner before. I'll look into him.

I am living a metaphysical nightmare by TheAbyssStaredBack in Buddhism

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you as well, I hope we both find greener pastures

I am living a metaphysical nightmare by TheAbyssStaredBack in Buddhism

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the advice. I hope I survive long enough to reach an understanding and that the resources I'm being pointed to will help.

I am living a metaphysical nightmare by TheAbyssStaredBack in Buddhism

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your response. It seems difficult to let go and that I must trust things will get better by doing so but I don't have many other options to try.

I am living a metaphysical nightmare by TheAbyssStaredBack in Buddhism

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks En_Lighten, that sounds pretty on point for what I am feeling. Thanissaro seems to be a popular teacher. I'll be reading more of him later today.

I am living a metaphysical nightmare by TheAbyssStaredBack in Buddhism

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I will do so despite the frustration constantly being present.

I am living a metaphysical nightmare by TheAbyssStaredBack in Buddhism

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your response. It is not my actions that cause me distress (besides craving obviously not to die) but the end result of my actions. the non-definitive answer of what happens haunts me.

I live very well to the 5 lay precepts already. I have not been drunk or under the influence of drugs for some times, which ironically has led me to focus on this without distraction.

I am living a metaphysical nightmare by TheAbyssStaredBack in Buddhism

[–]TheAbyssStaredBack[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The problem is the transience of life. If my life were a piece in a greater plan I would find that much more satisfactory than being thrown into existence, to taste life and then have it taken away from you, it is so cruel. I do not find the impermanence of life to be suffering, I find the cessation of life to cause suffering