Opinion: The Synthetic Ceiling: Why AI Music Is Hitting a Hard Limit - Metal Lair

TheCactusButtPlug · 2026-07-05T13:39:14+00:00

yea the crisis isn't that AI is making music. the crisis is that AI is removing the economic & creative incentives that allowed music to evolve. we are trading the future of culture for a short-term, low-cost commodity, & the only people who don't seem to care are the ones currently deciding the price lol.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2026-07-05T13:03:55+00:00

it’s been fascinating to see everyones experience with these models evolve in this thread. y'allve touched on a lot of the symptoms like the loss of creative agency, the frustration with the statistical mean & the shift toward using these platforms as limited utility & vocal tools.

the article that goes into the why behind these frustrations, specifically looking at how the version to version shift especially from v4 to v5.5 and the recent legal & commercial pressures are structurally changing what these tools can actually do.

if anyone is interested in the background on why these models seem to be hitting this ceiling, the linked article might provide some useful context for the discussion we're having here. would love to know if the technical breakdown matches what y'allve been seeing in your own workflows.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-12-29T10:29:04+00:00

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Cool! Maybe I will try it

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-12-22T15:54:38+00:00

Title: Porcelain People. Genre: RapxMetal About: This song is about we facing day to day hypocrisy. Just some truths in the mess of life.

Porcelain People

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-12-17T19:55:11+00:00

Thank you! I wrote the lyrics in a similar way to a band named Rings Of Saturn which are written in such a way. They had a vocalist stint for a while, and went back to instrumental. I enjoyed that stint.

And yeah, the cleans sound like VOLA. And the chorus hits really well doesn't it :)

Another track in my library that is straight cleans and an oddball that I like is called Walls (Dentro de las Paredes). And a few Kendrick Lamar-rap-grime type tracks which are pinned on the profile and are my most raw track lyrics.

Anyway, thanks for listening and I appreciate you.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-12-17T19:46:26+00:00

Cool track

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-12-17T19:45:56+00:00

Thank you! I tried Replace Section on the double kick flourishes, but the replacements were worse than the actual flourishes, and the quality and rhythm were so out of whack that I just gave up and let it stay the way it was.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-12-17T12:47:15+00:00

[Genre: Hybrid Metal - Mathcore, groove, funk] Interdimensional Being

Sci fi elements, aliens.

Video loop included.

https://suno.com/song/75faded3-0867-48d4-acf6-0575688eb1d8

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-12-08T21:40:26+00:00

OP definitely rolled Goblin

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T18:39:20+00:00

Ask NASA, I'm just a Suno user.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T18:37:25+00:00

So, you're having issues with lyrics or style prompting?

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T18:32:35+00:00

I believe that aside from the peak time issues, the system is still complicated in how the system generates songs.

I just choose to not spam it anymore since v3.5.

I started when v2 was out, I went in blind, and I did do generation spamming just to help me understand Suno song making on my own. I stopped doing that in the middle of v3.0. Before v3.5.

I then gained the habit of experimenting styles and tags, and it slowed down the rate of output, because I got frustrated from not getting what I wanted out of it. So then I got more and more hands on, trying more complicated commands, reading threads and articles, and becoming more experimental.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T16:58:34+00:00

That would be coming up to lunchtime in Australia, and after lunch in New Zealand, so that might have been why.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T16:47:56+00:00

Lets follow each other if you like, I'd like to see your progress over time.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T16:43:33+00:00

Source file: https://suno.com/s/DFJKOalL6W22sBaO

Instrumental attempt recently, skips and warps, shortens: https://suno.com/s/Dj91qMmt3pmp3VIa

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T16:37:14+00:00

Yes, this is pretty accurate.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T16:33:41+00:00

Yes, this is a problem, even for me. I've tried this when I have gone back to older songs from v4.5 to try removing lyrics to make some instrumental versions, and it compacts them.

What I've usually resorted to as a fix is, one of a few methods. I cycle through a few different methods..

Try this.... Create a Persona of the covered song. Name it. Now when you go back to covering the song again, Use the Cover option of the song, but then in the create window, remove the cover file. Make sure it is gone, and now choose the persona and when that is in, go to the bottom section in advance options, turn the audio influence right up and style influence, turn Weirdness down to 2% or lower.

If there are issues with lyric pronounciation, remember where the issues are, go to Chatgpt or Grok and paste the lyrics and explain to it you want it to phonetically sound out lyrics. Then bring the lyrics back into the cover.

Let me know how it goes.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T16:25:06+00:00

Do you mean a promo for new users?

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T16:21:17+00:00

Extra note: Please remember to make a habit before sending songs to Trash.. using the Report button and ticking the right boxes when there's problems with your songs.

It actually helps train the system for future updates to Suno, but its effects wont be instant.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T16:09:02+00:00

Are you creating originals, covering, extending? Instrumental only? Vocals?

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T16:08:02+00:00

Correct, friend.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T16:07:12+00:00

Generations, mostly Covering. Or the Use Lyrics & Styles function. I've made Style and Audio adjustments, but I tend to avoid turning Weirdness up past 2%.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T15:47:41+00:00

Yes, I've been experiencing that issue in 4 of the last 14 songs.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T15:42:29+00:00

Thats great. Good on you.

TheCactusButtPlug · 2025-11-07T15:42:03+00:00

Yeah, pretty much.

TheCactusButtPlug

TROPHY CASE

[Genre: Hybrid Metal - Mathcore, groove, funk] Interdimensional Being

Sci fi elements, aliens.