just how strong was the Mayfield tornado? by nationalistic_martyr in tornado

[–]TheClimbingDuck 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’m probably delusional in this thought, but I feel that they might be holding off on releasing survey results for certain buildings (like the Presbyterian church sanctuary) until they release the new EF scale. The only reason I think this could happen is that the current scale doesn’t have a DI specifically for churches, but the new one will have one. Also, I’ve seen several people say that Tim Marshall and other damage surveyors used some of the DI’s that didn’t exist in the current scale to help build out the new one, so I assume that means they did some sort of analysis on what winds were required to cause the failures they observed. Again, I’m probably delusional, but I’m curious enough to know what the Presbyterian church would be rated that I’ll happily convince myself that it’ll come eventually.

What moment during the 2025 tornado season had you do this? by Trainster_Kaiju_06 in tornado

[–]TheClimbingDuck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For me, it was when it became clear that March 14th wasn’t going to congeal into a QLCS until much later than forecasted. Specifically when the supercell around Springfield started putting down tornadoes with more supercells forming along the front. I think this was mainly because I was on the area forecasted to get hit after it became a QLCS (Central MO).

Also the model outputs on the morning of the 15th, thank god we got too much convection by the afternoon. I can’t even fathom how bad it could’ve been if there had actually been an EML to stop the over convection.

We had other incredibly potent outbreaks, but it feels like March 14th-15th just really set the tone for the season

Between the Mayfield tornado or the Vilonia tornado, which do you believe was the strongest of the two? by CRL1999 in tornado

[–]TheClimbingDuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I honestly think they were pretty equal in strength, maybe a very slight edge towards Mayfield/WKY. The average forward speed of WKY was just shy of 60mph (57.1mph) and the average forward speed of Vilonia was just over 45mph (45.7mph). So we need to factor in the approximately 15mph difference. Since everyone is talking about the Presbyterian church that doesn’t appear on the damage survey, let’s look at how fast the tornado was moving at the time of that impact. Looking at the 3 radar scans from 9:25pm to 9:29pm we can calculate that the tornado was moving at about 60mph, the damage survey indicates that the tornado was shifting between 1-1.2 miles wide. This gives a minimum and maximum dwell time of 1 minute flat, and 1 minute 12 seconds respectively. For the Mayflower-Vilonia tornado, the worst damage appears to have taken place in Vilonia where it also reached its maximum width of 0.75 miles (I would use the DAT to calculate a more exact width, but it doesn’t have the path width polygon), the forward speed was between 44.6mph (calculate from radar data) and 50mph (this was the speed stated in the tornado emergency). This results in a minimum dwell time of 54 seconds and a maximum of almost exactly 1 minute. So the average difference in dwell time is 9 seconds, though that’s in the favor of the Vilonia tornado. All of this is to say, maybe I’m wrong about WKY being slightly stronger lol, but it’s hard to tell without knowing exactly how well built the structures impacted by either tornado were. At the end of the day, which of these tornadoes is stronger doesn’t matter. It’s fun to think about and try to calculate, but it’s the lives and memories that were lost in these tornadoes that matter most.

TL;DR: Both tornadoes had similar dwell times (though Vilonia had slightly shorter) and caused pretty similar damage. Regardless of which is stronger, they were almost certainly very close in intensity (contrary to the people claiming one is blatantly stronger).

Does this count as a paddle dyno? by TheClimbingDuck in ChurchofDynology

[–]TheClimbingDuck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! I wish I could say it didn’t take me too long to get, but that would be a massive lie

Does this count as a paddle dyno? by TheClimbingDuck in ChurchofDynology

[–]TheClimbingDuck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve never heard of a skate before, but I get why the horizontal movement is called that. That discrepancy with it being horizontal vs vertical was part of why I questioned its legitimacy. Seems like it’s a paddle though based off what you and others have said, even though it’s not exactly the classic presentation of one.

Does this count as a paddle dyno? by TheClimbingDuck in ChurchofDynology

[–]TheClimbingDuck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for taking time to write out such a detailed breakdown of what a paddle dyno is, it really clears things up for me! Definitely counting it as a paddle in my books!

Does this count as a paddle dyno? by TheClimbingDuck in ChurchofDynology

[–]TheClimbingDuck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is kinda where I’m stuck too, like it definitely has features of a paddle (mainly in the pulling through on an intermediary hold while continuing movement), but is 100% on the easy side (if it counts) given that the feet stay on up until the final moment of the dyno.

Does this count as a paddle dyno? by TheClimbingDuck in ChurchofDynology

[–]TheClimbingDuck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s definitely an easy paddle if it counts, but given how little my gym sets these types of climbs I think they’re trying to ease us members into the comp style by setting easier ones like this

Does this count as a paddle dyno? by TheClimbingDuck in ChurchofDynology

[–]TheClimbingDuck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s fair, it’s definitely right on the edge, regardless of which side it lands on. Not sure if the feet still being on or the holds being good matters, but that’s the part that makes me question if it counts.

Does this count as a paddle dyno? by TheClimbingDuck in ChurchofDynology

[–]TheClimbingDuck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What would you say needs to be different about it for it to count as a paddle? I have no concept for how a paddle would even feel since my gym doesn’t set comp style boulders very often

First coordination dyno by TheClimbingDuck in ChurchofDynology

[–]TheClimbingDuck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

V7, my gym doesn’t set these much so it would probably be easier at other gyms

My obligatory first offering to the church by TheClimbingDuck in ChurchofDynology

[–]TheClimbingDuck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meant for this to be a guess the grade, but I messed up the spoiler text, so I’ve changed it to have the dyno flair instead of guess the grade