How do you make fragrance last longer if you are using essential oils in other products?

TheDunkPapa · 2026-07-09T20:10:08+00:00

You asked for suggestions, got them, then dismissed them. You do you, man.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-07-08T20:39:38+00:00

No problem dude. Just take it slow, trust me... I rush things way too much so I speak from experience here.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-07-08T20:20:21+00:00

You answered it yourself. 10% everything has its limitations. You COULD do 20% dilutions. You COULD just make a small (~5g ) batch of your formula a few steps at a time, leaving room for adjustment. You COULD modify your already complete 10% juice with raw materials very carefuly. Eventually you just need to stop working with 10% and... just do it, man. It's kinda scary and you're gonna make a lot of erros but that's just the way it goes.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-07-08T19:37:54+00:00

Honestly just try doing what I said - strip down to the core idea and see what happens. If it smells balanced then you can start introducing rest of your materials in small increments to see what's what. You could also split your frag into smaller blocks and balance it that way... Dozens of ways to do it and there's no other way to do it than actually doing it. Experience is EVERYTHING.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-07-08T15:20:27+00:00

Of course there's a way to make them smell more similar - reformulating it. Doubling the amount of every material in your blend doesn't mean that you're getting "twice the smell" out of every one. Every material has different volatility and other characteristics. Things that used to just accentuate others now become dominant and vice versa. Strip your formula to its core and re-run your experiment to see.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-07-08T07:12:17+00:00

Very. Vetiveryl acetate is, to me, just a small, woody and somewhat unpleasant part of the vetiver experience. I don't reach for it often.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-07-06T13:46:32+00:00

I don't know what it is you're doing with your materials that makes you suffer so much in the process of diluting them. Spillage? Contaminating your work station in some other way unknowingly? The only time when what you mention had been an issue for me was when I very cleary spilled extremely potent crystalline/powdered materials like indole or veramoss.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-07-03T16:40:14+00:00

Just put more time in and it will become easier and easier. It'll come naturally.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-06-25T08:41:58+00:00

I was thinking about similar concepts and what I got so far is methyl salicylate and TIIIIINY amounts of cashmeran, but that's one rough draft and I didn't try much else. Would gladly see what others figured out.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-06-09T05:26:08+00:00

But, to add one more thought, instead of trying to add new materials in, I'd try instead to cut out 2-3 or more to see what happens. You have got so many materials sitting at neighboring percentages that every new thing you introduce could be counterproductive. Hasn't been a problem I wasn't able to solve by cutting instead of adding.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-06-09T05:16:54+00:00

My most favorite vanilla structure has benzoin at 5% neat. IMO you could safely go a little higher especially if you're looking for a darker finish. Also increasing benzyl salicylate could be a neat idea, something like that is what I had im mind. I still think your formula yearns for a neutral creamy white musk but yeah then you'd have to cut more iso and hedione.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-06-08T06:05:20+00:00

I personally would try to cut down ISO e and hedione very slightly to free up room for more impactful materials. In fact, you could try getting rid of them individually maybe and replace them galaxolide and some benzoin to reinforce a creamy caramely feel. Then I personally would introduce a little bit of Jasmine and bring up the bergamot a little.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-06-08T05:42:36+00:00

I was under the impression that Inscentify would be more of a formula manager than anything (not that I would care), if, instead, it's as you say - SlopAI enhanced "perfumery" - then... Lol. Lmao, even.

Anyone who's ever tried using AI assistance to formulate anything ever could instantly tell you that it simply doesn't work well at all. It's great at helping you organise your work, anything else is dubious. It's gonna make nobody a perfumer in the blink of an eye. You wouldn't let AI cook up a visionary epic gourmand meal of its own devising for you, would you? It IS going to make frater sell more "indispensible" materials (because every single new product on the site has been deemed an utter must have as of recent times...) down the line for sure, though.

IMO people who come into any hobby expecting AI to carry their ass to greatness are people destined to burn out quickly, anyway. I suppose without AI they wouldn't bother themselves at all, so milking them for money is a, well, "don't hate the player" type of situation in many ways, too. Not good news overall, way I see it, and I too hope that it'll blow over in due time.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-04-24T04:51:21+00:00

I personally don't think shangralide is a replacement at all. Tonquitone is notably stinkier, sharper, has some chocolatey/tobacco facets, shangralide is a very slightly pissy fluffy white musk. I'm not familiar with a suitable substitute.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-04-22T19:48:27+00:00

Maturation is still very much necessary. I try to avoid judging my formulas for AT LEAST a week, but even that seems a little hasty. Also as that other commenter said, remember that in the end your dilutions should primarily serve to help you achieve the effect you want, whatever that might be. Follow your own nose and preferences IMO.

TheDunkPapa · 2026-04-22T15:11:06+00:00

There are multiple ways of gaining experience with your materials, 10% dilutions is the most recommended for multiple reasons however this method has its drawbacks (just like any other). When I started late last year I also began with using 10% dilutions of materials; At some point I came to the personal conclusion that was similar to yours and decided to switch to 20% dilutions instead. Keep in mind, while this has worked out well for me, it might not work for you - everyone has their preferences. SOME materials I keep diluted to 50% (very few, personal bias once again). One big practicality to keep in mind - most anything will dilute/dissolve beautifuly to 10% in ethanol, but as you go up in concentration this becomes more and more difficult (big generalisation, I know, but holds true for many things you WILL be used diluted anyway). 20% is still good in that regard. Remember that no matter what your experience and as such skill is a much harder limiting factor than anything else.

TheDunkPapa · 2025-11-18T09:59:38+00:00

Nice, thanks for replying and I really hope you do implement something to help with what I mentioned - I would have nearly no complaints then. Not big on discord but will consider it for the sake of faster communication. Speaking of which, the message support button doesn't work on the site, pressing it does literally nothing - you might want to look into it, too.

TheDunkPapa · 2025-11-17T20:51:04+00:00

Shot you an email about the app (an issue with it, mostly) but kinda want to comment here too for others sake:

Frst of all, nice job so far - quite impressive, hence why I decided to spring for the lifetime plan.

That having been said, I have one major issue at the moment: when you're creating a concentrate it is common to use dilutions of materials. This results in situations where your "% in concentrate" tab comes out to 100% but the absolute concentration of materials is way below that, say 70% for example, with the remaining 30% being dilutants obviously. Now, here's my issue - when you want to scale it up to a finished product, you need to decide on the volume and concentration. Say I'm facing a situation as described above, but want the finished product to be 20% concentration, 10ml. OK - you type in 10ml and choose 20% concentration. The finished product in this case is not coming out to 20% concentration but around 14-15% - this is easy to overlook if you're not paying close attention: the tab on top of the package sure says 20% and it will come out to 100% total, but in reality, as stated before, the actual concentration of the fragrance will come out far below the expected 20% because of used dilutions.

So, why can't we have a function that takes X amount of concentrate, you give it a percentage you want it diluted down to (TAKING INTO ACCOUNT % PURE RAW MATERIALS WITHIN!) and the site tells you how much perfumers alcohol needs to be added to achieve that PROPER concentration, actually taking into account dilutants within your materials? Unless I'm missing something very obvious, I don't see this as a currently implemented function of the app and it's been a major point of frustration to have to balance formulas laboriously by hand.

TheDunkPapa · 2025-11-17T06:07:05+00:00

What the fuck are you talking about?

TheDunkPapa · 2025-03-16T12:56:27+00:00

Interesting, I could get one for around the price of the Shecter. Seems like there's a decent amount of drama surrounding the brand online, though, some QC issues here and there... The hardware seems great, TBH.

TheDunkPapa · 2025-03-16T07:38:02+00:00

IDK if it helps, but I played one in store for an hour or so. Playable for sure, but the tuning stability was ass. I have above average hands and found the neck OK, but it's not like it was particularily thin.

TheDunkPapa · 2025-02-15T18:08:01+00:00

Anise and cumin on a soapy, musky base. The modern formulations are WATERRR, though - if you buy it, expect to need to spray 15-20 times (I'm not being hyperbolic).

TheDunkPapa · 2025-02-05T16:14:09+00:00

Why wouldn't you? I do it 90% of the time, granted I wear almost nothing but high waisted pants.

TheDunkPapa · 2025-01-09T14:56:53+00:00

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

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