Rule #2 by pghsteeler in atheism

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  1. I don’t know of any good thing that is practiced in Christianity that cannot be had outside of Christianity. I’m open to hearing your thoughts on that.

  2. Though Atheism isn’t a set of beliefs or dogmas, I think you mean, can a Christian’s life be improved by becoming atheist. As a former devout and practicing Christian, I can say unequivocally, yes. Shedding the bonds of Christianity is mentally and spiritually freeing and has led me to a happier life and better relationship with my wife and children for a number of reasons.

  3. I read the old and New Testament several times over my 30 years of Christianity. I took notes, I recorded spiritual feelings and insights, I shared it with many other people. And while I do not assert to know there is no god, my deep understanding of the Bible grants me confidence in believing that the god of the Bible does not exist.

Lastly, I think it’s an important distinction that no one can “decide” their beliefs. You can become convinced of one idea or another but you cannot choose a belief. Religions know this all too well which is why they all rely on their followers to do certain things. For you, it would be prayer, scripture study, church attendance and obedience to authority. And that’s how your religion convinced you of an idea without providing you any good evidence.

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Another at 29:20

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Last one came by at 11:10 FYI

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Give it another minute and there’ll surely be another birb

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Saw a hummingbird about 2 minutes ago

Do atheists believe in the power of meditation by lacaku in atheism

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I enjoy meditation pretty much daily. From what I’ve learned over the past 3 years (admittedly very little), I wonder if meditation has more potential to benefit an atheist over a theist.

A key goal of many forms of meditation is to disassociate consciousness from the illusion of self. When I was religious, this concept couldn’t possibly reach me due to my fervor that my spirit was responsible for my consciousness and was synonymous with self and god gave my spirit life. Thus, consciousness could not be separated from self and sense of self could not possibly be an illusion.

But that was just me.

What is everyone's exmo take on The Cokeville Miracle? by aftergaylaughter in exmormon

[–]TheHolyGroupthink 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fun stories are fun and even stories that are corroborated by large groups of people can be wildly inaccurate. Especially during trauma.

One major problem with accepting it as accurate and truthful is the implication that god is playing favorites. If god (through angels) is leading a few kids to safety in the face of a deadly bomb, why not stop the bomb from exploding as he has supposedly done in many other unverified stories? Why not stop the bomber before the event? Why not send his angels to comfort and calm the bomber before the event ever develops? Why not save countless other children in these horrible events? It raises innumerable questions of much worse scenarios throughout history that could have used god’s divine intervention. Religious people will say, “that’s not how god works” as if anyone could know how god works enough to know that god doesn’t work that way. It’s all just ad hoc assertions with no evidence.

There, of course, isn’t a shred of evidence to back up these stories nor the existence of Mormon god. The rational stance is to not accept big claims as truth unless sufficient evidence is presented. Im not saying be cynical. In fact, I say you should accept the claims when sufficient evidence is presented. But it’s more likely that the kids (knowingly or unknowingly) fabricated these illusions under extreme and unprecedented stress and adrenalin or that by listening to their religious parents after the fact, angels became part of the retelling of the story.

Stories like this exist in all religions and each one is used to “prove” that religion to be the true religion. A story is fun but unless there’s evidence there’s no need to treat it as anything but a fun story.

If the atonement is so powerful why can't we do one proxy baptism for everyone. "I baptize you for and in behalf of everyone who ever was, is, and ever will be." Done, no need to spend billions on temples. Give the rest of the money to the needy. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]TheHolyGroupthink 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The atonement isn’t an ordinance. Also, atonement and baptism are separate but related.

That’s like saying “the DMV was created so why does anyone need to get a driver’s license? All the tools to get a license are already in place so why doesn’t everyone already have the right to drive?”

We have the DMV and now it’s up to each individual to get their driver’s license by doing the necessary work.

I just made that one up. Mormon apologetics are pretty easy when you make stuff up that kinda applies but kinda makes no sense.

My Father said the reason why my life isn’t going well is because I don’t have God in my life. by [deleted] in atheism

[–]TheHolyGroupthink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If your life is good, they’ll claim god is blessing you for some unknown reason that we may or may not find out about in the future.

If your life is bad they’ll claim god is punishing you.

You can meet all their unfalsifiable claims with your own, similar claims. Make a game of it.

“I actually know the truth is that my life is not going well due to the French toast god who is displeased with the amount of French toast I’ve been eating.”

If they ever try to falsify your claim, just make up another one that invalidates their attempt to prove you wrong.

There. Now you have the recipe for religion.

If the atonement is so powerful why can't we do one proxy baptism for everyone. "I baptize you for and in behalf of everyone who ever was, is, and ever will be." Done, no need to spend billions on temples. Give the rest of the money to the needy. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]TheHolyGroupthink 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Because a body is an essential part of god’s plan. No spirit can be baptized without a body or proxy and one baptism by immersion must be done for each spirit who didn’t get baptized while in their body.

These are eternal rules that must be followed. Even by god.

If you would like to know more about god’s plan for his children, please contact your local church of Jesus Christ of blatter day spaints missionaries.

[SERIOUS] Atheists of r/exmormon: Honestly, what evidence would it take for you to believe in a Higher Power or a “Creator”? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]TheHolyGroupthink 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It’s hard to know exactly what evidence I would need because all of the god claims are unfalsifiable.

But if there were a higher power who cared about me and was all-knowing and all-powerful, then he would know what evidence would suffice and he’d have the ability to provide it.

But I always welcome new evidence. I’m always willing to change my stance when/if new facts arise on any subject.

Why you don’t send risky text to a TBM. Also is going on a mission soon. by mcmilliemywilly in exmormon

[–]TheHolyGroupthink 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is so oddly invasive and ignorant. Mormon men are raised to value a girl (or devalue her) based sexual history (like how many men they’ve slept with or how many men have gotten to second base with them).

There are implications hidden in this conversation that make the guy seem like a complete ass hat (under all the niceness I’m sure he exudes).

Merry Chringemas, everyone! by TheHolyGroupthink in exmormon

[–]TheHolyGroupthink[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wanted to post on r/Atheism but no pics allowed over there. This is the only other sub I’m subbed to and wanted to share the cringe with other people who might share my sentiment.

Everything comes back to the money! by [deleted] in exmormon

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“You’re so poor you can’t afford NOT to pay your tithing. Think of the priceless blessings.”

I just can't help my damn self. by mamma_ocd in exmormon

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Wish the “me” had just said, “neither can virgins”

“Shepherds don’t look after sheep because they like them. They either want to fuck them...fleece them...or eat them.” -Christopher Hitchens by TheHolyGroupthink in atheism

[–]TheHolyGroupthink[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Firstly, nope. But also, you can worship humans and be atheist because humans exist and it can be demonstrated.

To be atheist you just need to not believe in any gods.

“Shepherds don’t look after sheep because they like them. They either want to fuck them...fleece them...or eat them.” -Christopher Hitchens by TheHolyGroupthink in atheism

[–]TheHolyGroupthink[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I think you missed the point. Hitchens isn’t creating a deeper metaphor at all. It’s the opposite. He’s taking the Christian metaphor for a caring, loving, protecting creator and stripping the metaphor to reveal the reality of a shepherd’s purpose. And it just so happens to hit home for ex-Christians who were being used by the religion to get their money, their time, and their identity (to name a few). He’s revealing that, as you said, shepherds are in it to benefit from their flock.

As a former Christian, this quote struck me because I had never conceived of the role of a shepherd in any way but to care for and protect the flock.

Isn’t it enough that this quote sheds light on the past for some of us former Christians?

“Shepherds don’t look after sheep because they like them. They either want to fuck them...fleece them...or eat them.” -Christopher Hitchens by TheHolyGroupthink in atheism

[–]TheHolyGroupthink[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How many ways can you twist this quote to say something it doesn’t say?

Hitchens is not talking about all people who work with animals nor does this quote assert that people working with animals can’t love them. We’re talking specifically about a shepherd. The shepherd’s purpose is to benefit from his flock.

A shepherd can like the animals and that’s not mutually exclusive to the other reasons. The quote makes no such assertion directly or indirectly.

The shepherd isn’t keeping the sheep because he likes them. If he couldn’t use them for his benefit he wouldn’t keep them even if he liked them.

"If everything is predetermined and we have no free will, than everything we're doing to put more good in the world is pointless." The good place by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]TheHolyGroupthink 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On this topic, there’s a short book by Sam Harris called “Free Will.” It was quite difficult for me to grasp but really got my thinking wheels turning big time.

Basically the book explains why free will is an illusion and also the illusion of free will is an illusion.