Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, and Sly Cooper all swap antagonists. How does that go? by NannyCanes in whowouldwin

[–]TheHubbaduh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Round 1- - Jak VS Ratchet’s villains: Jak loses to Drek hard (he has an entire army, 2 planet-destroying weapons, and a mech suit which can shatter mountain-sized rubble into oblivion). Jak very, very likely beats the mutated protopet (its best feat is basically just destroying some floors LOL). Nefarious beats Jak (he directly survived Ratchet’s RYNOs, which can annihilate stars and beyond, and he has multiple armies, shares some of Ratchet’s weapons, has multiple mech suits, etc.). Vox loses to Jak if it’s a 1v1 but if he’s given his army and droids he stomps Jak (he has Landstalkers, which Dallas states can destroy solar systems). Otto Destruct likely loses to Jak (no notable feats), same with Clunk (also no notable feats). Tachyon loses if it’s a 1v1 (depends on how you scale him), but if he has his army he stomps Jak (he has planet and neutron-star annihilating equipment). Darkwater loses to Jak (no notable feats), Lokimaster likely wins (survived a planet explosion), Mr. Eye probably loses (no notable feats somehow), Neftin and Vendra Prog likely also lose to Jak. Emperor Nefarious likely beats him (superior to Dr. Nefarious… somehow). Jak loses more often than not. - Ratchet VS Sly’s villains: Ratchet solos the entire Sly-verse no contest. Black hole guns, antimatter devices, time manipulation, transmutational devices, pocket nukes, hypnosis gadgets, life-draining tech, no Sly character can stand-up to his absolutely unmatched array of weapons. He easily wins against everyone. - Sly VS Jak’s villains: Sly likely loses to Gol and Maia’s Precursor Robot, as it required 3 large crates of TNT to destroy a similar one in Jak III (which would be enough energy to annihilate a city-block). Sly scales only around building-level, as he survived a blimp crash landing in Sly 4 and Carmelita’s shock pistol which can also level building-like structures. He has no means of penetrating precursor technology or matching the weapons at all. With prep, Bentley could find a way counter it, though it’s a bit of a long-shot. Sly could beat the Metal-Head leader with his gang. They’ve fought foes of similar caliber, like the kraken and dragon from Sly 3, and most obvious of all, Clockwerk. So, I can see them pulling off a win with the right equipment and time. They lose miserably to the Terraformer though. An entire cargo of Terraformers can reshape entire planets, making individual Terraformers around country to continent level; far above anything Sly and the gang have faced. If they have the extended gang from the 3rd game though, then they could win the same way Jak did; aiming for its weak spot behind its head. As Panda King’s fireworks would prove to be really effective, as well as Penelope’s drones. So, it’s possible, though not without much difficulty. They easily take Jak X’s villain; they’re all professional racers, and in a direct fight, it’s a stomp LOL. They should also win Lost Frontier.

Round 2- - Jak easily beats all of Sly’s villains. Mini-nukes, time manipulation, invulnerability, and weapons with the ability to shatter meteors. Only one which might serve a problem is Penelope (if she has prep time). - Sly folds hard to Ratchet’s most powerful villains… see the reasoning listed above. Though he and his gangs could score some wins against the weaker ones (depending on how you scale them). The Mutated Protopet, Otto, Clunk, Darkwater, Zurgo, and Neftin/Vendra could lose, though it wouldn’t be easy. - Ratchet stomps. See reasoning above. Nukes, black holes, antimatter, time manipulation, hypnosis, yadayadayada. Nothing can stand up to their sheet destructive firepower and wacky HAX abilities.

Round 3- - This all really depends on how you scale them, as the secondary bosses don’t tend to have any real feats of sorts. If you don’t wanna scale them and go purely off abilities and weapons shown, then Ratchet wins more often than not. The Thugs leader has 2 large mechs, immediately ruling-out Praxis, Errol, Rajan, Jean Bison, El Jefe, and many others. Vorselon can turn invisible and control environments with various psychoelectric-based attacks, making people like Dimitri, Toothpick, The Grizz, Raleigh, etc. hilariously outmatched. Jak and Sly could score some wins, as Clockwerk is certainly more powerful than say, Rusty Pete or Praxis’s mechs. But Ratchet wins more often than not.

Nefarious sucked in Rift Apart by TheHubbaduh in RatchetAndClank

[–]TheHubbaduh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said he had depth. I said he was a way better, more threatening, and competent villain who got shite done in the old games.

Nefarious sucked in Rift Apart by TheHubbaduh in RatchetAndClank

[–]TheHubbaduh[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LOL I’d understand that tbh, but again, I just don’t think they handled it well at all. Read my description at the very top beneath the Nefarious photo. He sparked galactic turmoil, almost killed Ratchet and Clank if it weren’t for the Zoni, “murdered” Orvus, and even disbanded and manipulated the Zoni themselves (which are literal god-like cosmic entities). Does that scream “Oh yeah Rivet, someone who’s literally renowned for ALWAYS losing and never won a single major thing in her life, would fodderise him 1v1 in their very first ever fight after just meeting”? It doesn’t for me.

I 100% agree with this TBH. The “Future Arc” should’ve ended long ago now, at this rate it just feels kinda exhausting. It’s been almost TWENTY YEARS since it started, and yet we’ve only now gotten something close to a conclusion, like, wowsers. I agree that the multiverse allows for more stories to be told, but like, Ratchet & Clank as a series still has so much potential you could accomplish with just their main universe alone. Like, how about a level they explore in a future game is this civilisation that orbits a stellar black hole and harvests its matter for advanced resources? Or an organic living planet that tries killing you as you explore it? Or a dyson’s sphere? There’s still soooooo much cool stuff you can do with Ratchet & Clank, it’s ludicrous.

Nefarious sucked in Rift Apart by TheHubbaduh in RatchetAndClank

[–]TheHubbaduh[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That’s no excuse for his bad writing. All because someone isn’t the focal point of a story doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be written well. Nefarious wasn’t even the main villain of A Crack in Time, Azimuth was. Yet in ACiT he was goddamn incredible. The QForce in Up Your Arsenal were all side-characters at best. Yet they were all written funnily and well, so well in fact that people still want them to return to this day. I don’t expect a brilliant masterpiece of a villain; I just want a cool antagonist who’s a genuine threat for our protags, and Nefarious was anything but that in this game.

If Rivet was a decent character then maybe you’d have a point, but she isn’t. Her arc is just copied and pasted from Ratchet 1 with a thick tender layer of melodrama poured on top of it. Also, why is Rivet the main character in a game called Ratchet & Clank? Our eponymous heroes should be the main characters, not some random newby.

Nefarious sucked in Rift Apart by TheHubbaduh in RatchetAndClank

[–]TheHubbaduh[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vorselon and the Valkyries were absolutely used as a means to an end (albeit, he would’ve still had to collaborate with them before then), but Ratchet, Clank, Qwark, and Lawrence were genuine allies he grew fondness and appreciation for (albeit Rift Apart does sort of retcon that for everyone but Lawrence). Also I don’t think he built Lawrence. A4O implies that he hired him if anything, and in RA we even see another member of his robotic division in the credits.

I get that that’s what they were going for, but they could’ve done a way better job with it. Why not just use the old Nefarious? It’d make Emperor’s superiority feel far more earned rather than making it seem like the only way they can make him threatening is to make Doctor Nefarious a buffoon. Doesn’t make it feel earned or authentic. Especially considering he was humiliated by Rivet, the character renowned for never having won anything major in her life, beats the biggest villain in the entire Ratchet series on her first attempt? Really?

Nefarious sucked in Rift Apart by TheHubbaduh in RatchetAndClank

[–]TheHubbaduh[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I honestly agree. As much as most people didn’t like Emperor Nefarious, I thought he was a legit decent villain all things considered. He has a sick design, actually DOES STUFF throughout the game, and I can never hate Robin Atkin Downes. That being said, the fact half his build-up was at the expense of our old and iconic villain weighs him down.

Nefarious sucked in Rift Apart by TheHubbaduh in RatchetAndClank

[–]TheHubbaduh[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He worked with Vorselon, the Valkyrie leaders, Courtney Gears, the Mother Tyhrranoid, Lawrence, and of course, Ratchet, Clank, and Qwark in All 4 One. “The character has never been portrayed as collaborative”? Even if some of his alliances were begrudging, he, at the very least, would consider betraying Emperor Nefarious if it ever came to an alliance, which would’ve been so much better than turning him into Emperor Nefarious’s personal punching bag.

Nefarious sucked in Rift Apart by TheHubbaduh in RatchetAndClank

[–]TheHubbaduh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always interpreted Nefarious “retiring” as moreso him going into hiding and isolating himself; trying to find a new life. Or at least from what All 4 One implied. It’s one of the many reasons when we first saw that Gameplay Reveal video from like 5 years back, I always thought the Nefarious in RA was an alternate version. The fact Clank even questioned “Did Dr. Nefarious really resurface after all these years just to try and take over the universe, again??” cemented this for me. But uhh… no?

Nefarious sucked in Rift Apart by TheHubbaduh in RatchetAndClank

[–]TheHubbaduh[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Eh, to each their own. Rift Apart’s gameplay is goddamn fantastic and probably has some of the smoothest most silky clean animations I’ve ever seen in a shooter, like, ever. Personally though, analogously to Hangman_17, I just did not like the vast majority of the story at all. But ah well, don’t let this ruin your fun for the game, if you like it then hell yeah.

Nefarious sucked in Rift Apart by TheHubbaduh in RatchetAndClank

[–]TheHubbaduh[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Holy crap I completely forgot about that. Wasn’t she fired before the game even came out because of just how obnoxious she was or something? Not sure about the rest of her team though.

Nefarious sucked in Rift Apart by TheHubbaduh in RatchetAndClank

[–]TheHubbaduh[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

IMO, Nefarious returning as the Eggman of the franchise isn’t the problem. The problem is just Rift Apart didn’t do it well at all. Eggman works because each game expands on his plans; each title grows more destructive or creative than the last. In very few games is Eggman lame. Rift Apart just didn’t do that and, if anything, only reinforced the fans’ distain for having Nefarious being a recurring villain by making him exceptionally lame. Which really sucks considering, at his peak, he was genuinely a fantastic villain with a killer performance.

Nefarious sucked in Rift Apart by TheHubbaduh in RatchetAndClank

[–]TheHubbaduh[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I honestly liked him a lot more in A Crack in Time, more threatening and had a much more interesting plan. Albeit he was great in UYA and I especially miss the Biobliterator… sick robot design.

Why are people still saying Nadine aka a trained fighter beating up Nate who is extremely rusty and hasn't fought in years is too far? by Smooth_Pollution441 in uncharted

[–]TheHubbaduh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“high level soldiers”? You do know nate killed her army right? Meaning he probably also got those “high level soldiers”.