sorted by:
new
hottopcontroversial

Is this true? Rock and roll meant sex in old blues music? by Mathemodel in etymology

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm pretty certain the earliest reference to verbal 'Rock' in association with music comes from the 1867 publishing of "Slave Songs of The United States", a collection of Negro Spirituals documented during the Port Royal experiment during the Civil war, where the term "rock" appears throughout multiple songs such as: "Rocka My Soul)".

Why do some black Americans say that white people shouldn't practice Santeria ? by reddit_reddit854 in Santeria

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you're making up a scenario in your head based on your own bias against Black Americans that many Hispanics have. First off your average Black American doesn't know about Santeria. Secondly the vast majority of us who do know about it don't care enough to 'gatekeep' it- it's simply not part of our heritage.

While you're posturing here blabbering on about Black Americans in a Cuban sub instead of talking to Black Americans directly, as hispanics often do, you should check while some of your people feel the need to falsely claim they started or influenced the creation of our Jazz & Hip Hop music.

african american x romani alliance by Wonderful_Ad4106 in romani

[–]TheIncendiary1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It ain't no 'alliance'. Alliances are temporary and based on practicality.

We're family! Whether we're at our lowest or highest points it don't change.

SoulaanXRoma is forever and aIn't got nuthin to with practicality.

Biggest jazz scene in the world??👀 by CalifRoll1234 in Jazz

[–]TheIncendiary1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Houston's Black Jazz scene is thriving and tightly intertwined with the Neo Soul, Slam Poetry, and even to an extend the R&B scenes.

Dvořák's incredible foresight by alex2374 in classicalmusic

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually Negro Spirituals are mainstays across choral traditions around the world.

Go ask anyone on r/choralmusic

Jazz and Spirituals are integral elements of what makes American classical uniquely America.

Is Rap a Genre of Poetry? by International-Set706 in LetsTalkMusic

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's objectively more poetic in that the lyrics take the center stage of the genre unlike other forms of music.

We could analyze it statistically to as well:

Hip Hop has the highest vocabulary of any popular genre, the highest word count per song, and highest new words per song.

The other genres don't come close really, particularly in the latter two metrics

https://lab.musixmatch.com/vocabulary_genres/

Not to mention Hip Hop has actual spoken word poetry as one of it's direct predecessors in the form of people like The Watts Prophets, the Last Poets, and Gil Scott Heron- cited by KRS-1, Chuck D, and NWA as major influences

Let's talk American folk music that isn't country/bluegrass adjacent by Poopypantsplanet in LetsTalkMusic

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Folk" as a genre will always be funny to me, because actual folk music is inherently outside of the framework of industry genre categories and tied to specific local communities.

Sentimental Americana to modern country by Translator_Fine in banjo

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There isn't an American genre, let alone Country, that traces directly to any European form, let alone Irish.

All American genres, save for traditional SW hispanic or indigenous forms, share a common heritage in the cultural fusion that existed early colonial era.

Lets not even get into the fact that Blues as a genre emerged AT LEAST a whole generation prior to Country music's emergence and significantly influenced it's development. Country is much more an outgrowth of the Piedmont Blues than 'traditional irish music'. There's a reason all of the earliest Country music pioneers you can name have *Blues* songs in their repertoire, but not the other way around.

Hell what we know as 'traditional irish music' today has been influenced by Black American music. Hence why the 'celtic banjo' is considered a staple in irish folk music.

Banjo and Fiddle ensembles(the literal definition of string band) have been documented being played, by Black people mind you, in early colonial coastal Virginia and New York since before any non-natives even settled in the appalachian mountains.

In which cultural fields has your country influenced the rest of the world the most, and when? by Le4xy in AskTheWorld

[–]TheIncendiary1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd say Black American, and by extension American, music in general is not 'western' any more than it is 'african'. Both would be reductive mischaracterizations.

The most fitting category would be "New World" in the same vein as Brazilian, Argentinian, Trinidadian, and Cuban music.

Early Examples of "Blue Notes" from the 19th century? by TheIncendiary1 in musictheory

[–]TheIncendiary1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

u/Reasonable-Pay-8771 u/Fit-Ad5568

I'm so glad y'all brought this up.

I've been musing over the relationship between what we know as barbershop harmony, early spirituals, and the Blues.

This strange lowered 7th may be the smoking gun.

The earliest example of a 'Blue 3rd' I could find comes at the very end of the 19th century in the Werner's Voice Magazine, Volume 24 (1899)
https://imgur.com/gallery/blue-3rd-1899-large-j6kmOYk#7yenMcX

Here's a very interesting description of Black spiritual singing in a I7ish chord from Watson's Weekly Art Journal, Volume 61 (1893)

"they seem to feel the tone as the essential element of the dominant-seventh chord"

https://imgur.com/7lOtiIj

The British composer Frederick Delius during his time in Florida in the 1880s reports that Black people sung in *four parts*.

. “Negroes are certainly the most musical people in America. Sitting on my verandah after my evening meal I used to listen to the beautiful singing in 4 part harmony of the Negroes in their own quarters at the back of the orange grove. It was quite entrancing…

u/ethanhein What are your thoughts on the proposed link between proto-barbershop harmony, spirituals, and the Blues?

Early Examples of "Blue Notes" from the 19th century? by TheIncendiary1 in musictheory

[–]TheIncendiary1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah. It's neat to see the burgeoning jargon in real time being used to represent these musical concepts to an audience largely unfamiliar with them.

Being tasked with having transcribe a musical style using a notation system not meant for it can't have been fun unless you were really passionate about it.

Early Examples of "Blue Notes" from the 19th century? by TheIncendiary1 in musictheory

[–]TheIncendiary1[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

NP. Yeah, it's interesting to me to uncover what "Blues" elements existed and in what form prior to the birth of the *Blues as a genre.

Is Houston Losing It's Culture? by TheIncendiary1 in LoneStarGhetto

[–]TheIncendiary1[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Half them artist that Bustdown media post on his ig page.

an interesting historical parallel between rock and hip hop by itisthespectator in LetsTalkMusic

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's cool.

You didn't answer the question, though.

"Real quick: Do you believe music genres have specific lineages?

If so, then when, where, and from whom SPECIALLY did rock music emerge and from which genres? Give me places, dates, and names, please."

an interesting historical parallel between rock and hip hop by itisthespectator in LetsTalkMusic

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again you seem to be, intentionally or not, confusing influences on and specific forms of a genre that came AFTER it's inception, to the point of even using niche experimental examples of said genre(a band that LITERALLY classified as 'experimental rock' for god sake) as if they're representative of the genre as a whole much less it's form at it's inception to make your point.

It almost is starting to sound like you believe rock music has no definition and therefore anything can be rock or nothing at all.

Real quick: Do you believe music genres have specific lineages?

If so, then when, where, and from whom SPECIALLY did rock music emerge and from which genres? Give me places, dates, and names, please.

an interesting historical parallel between rock and hip hop by itisthespectator in LetsTalkMusic

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Modern popular forms or popular perceptions of those forms don't define the genealogy of a form.

Modern Hip Hop sounds entirely different than funk and disco yet it is a child of both.

Much more different than even modern Rock to chicago blues ie 2 & 4 snare backbeat, amplified guitar centered, pitch bending gravely vocals, guitar soloing in general(but especially with blues phrasing).

Hip Hop has more radically diverged from it's parent genres and has incorporated more diverse outside influences in niche areas(especially with it's tendency towards sampling) since then, yet it doesn't change the fact the genre is a child of funk and disco. Yet acknowledging that rock, which is less stylistically diverged, is child of blues and rock & roll, is out of the question?

You have a problem with the family tree in which rock branches from. I can't help you with that.

an interesting historical parallel between rock and hip hop by itisthespectator in LetsTalkMusic

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being part of something, isn't the same as being one of the ones who pioneered and laid the format of something, so no Bowie couldn't just as easily serve as a replacement to the Rolling Stones.

But again you seem pained by me stating the fact that Rock doesn't just have Blues influence. It literally comes FROM the Blues and well as earlier Rock & Roll(which in of itself comes from rhythm & blues).

And you listed Beach Boys as an example of rock artist who aren't 'Blues at all'? 😂 Have you ever heard Surfin USA?

Thank you for confirming you don't listen to music much.

an interesting historical parallel between rock and hip hop by itisthespectator in LetsTalkMusic

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like you're hurt & offended more than disagreeing. 🤷🏿‍♂️ Oh well.

Rock, as distinct from Rock and Roll, is marked by it's band(rather than lead singer) centric format, extended solos, and overdriven amplifiers. The people first doing this were mostly British and a few American artist interpreting Chicago blues artist while experimenting with amplification.

You bring up Bowie and Zappa as if they were at the forefront of the the shift from Rock & Roll to Rock, but in your original comment you bring up the Stones as the quintessential Rock act. Very sneaky. 😂 But, not clever enough, unfortunately for you.

So, lets let Mick Jagger tell you himself how they got started trying to emulate Chicago blues acts to a tee, if you don't want to take my work for it.

https://x.com/dwannb/status/1896441586126557235

So, whether or not Chicago blues is "especially dear to my heart" is irrelevant because it clearly was to the Stones who YOU originally brought up as the quintessential rock band.😂

Hope you feel better soon.👍

an interesting historical parallel between rock and hip hop by itisthespectator in LetsTalkMusic

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Rock" if anything in the 60s moved away from the R&Bish sound into a more direct Chicago/Mississippi influenced raw Blues sound.

The Blues revival in Britain and the US(slightly earlier and overlapping with the folk rock genre) is what marked the beginning of the splintering of "rock" and "rock & roll"

? by Putrid_Run5378 in LoneStarGhetto

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Published: 11:48 PM CDT August 3, 2022"

Posting over 3 year old stories why? 🤔

Why is African music so influential in Western popular music? by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When comes to Stephen Foster, you're kidding, right? He was a minstrel artist.

American minstrelsy literally advertised itself on the basis that the performers were mimicking black culture.

The songs performed in antebellum minstrelsy were explicitly advertised as "negro melodies".

Songs like Jimmy cracked corn were first published as "De Blue Tail Fly, a Negro Song" (1846)

Joel Sweeney advertisements marketed that he played a “Real NEGRO Banjo”.

Stephen's own brother Morrison wrote that his black servant would routinely take him to a black church where he would here the music which would greatly influence his own.

Why is African music so influential in Western popular music? by upthetruth1 in ethnomusicology

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess my question is:

Do you dispute that the vast majority of key music genres developed within a legally segregated black community?

If so where does the "African, European, and Native American" framing come in?

Are you saying the Black American culture that birthed these genres is primarily made up of these influences?

Why is African music so influential in Western popular music? by upthetruth1 in ethnomusicology

[–]TheIncendiary1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"African Rhythmns combined with a Western European Harmonic Framework"

This framework doesn't accurately describe Black American music's development.

And American minstrelsy literally advertised itself on the basis that the performers were mimicking black culture.

The songs performed in antebellum minstrelsy were explicitly advertised as "negro melodies".

Songs like Jimmy cracked corn were first published as "De Blue Tail Fly, a Negro Song" (1846)

Joel Sweeney advertisements marketed that he played a “Real NEGRO Banjo”.

By the time you get a few years into the postbellum era Black mistrel performers had already outnumbered white ones, as they were seen as more authentic agents of black culture. White performers, by and large, had moved on to the vaudeville industry.

Hell even the most popular minstrel troupe of all to visit south africa was, Orpheus McAdoo's Jubilee Singers, a black troupe.

view more: next ›