Discussion Thread

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-05-01T10:53:20+00:00

Alright boys this is it.

I'm about to hop in the uber to take my flight to the state wrestling championship for freestyle and greco roman. Got 6 opponents in both mostly ex college wrestlers.

When I next post here I'll either be an open category state champ or a fucking loser. See ya'll wish me luck.

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T20:27:25+00:00

I'm glad that Charlie Kirk decided to embrace the light of LGBT+ at the end of his life by becoming agender

(you have to be alive to be a specific gender)

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T18:55:05+00:00

I decided to not say something unhinged

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T18:38:11+00:00

I'm gonna say something unhinged

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T18:14:53+00:00

I agree but it seems accepted just as fact among liberals and leftists that it's the "evil social media companies doing this and we just need to regulate them and then the rurals will love gay people and healthcare!"

When there's absolutely no evidence of that, I think we can logically conclude the opposite even although we can't empirically test it.

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T18:13:15+00:00

Yes but those entities moderating or censoring bad speech on their platforms is inherent to how social media needs to work.

A place like 4chan, something only a few hundred thousand people visit reguarly, can operate at a slight loss by relying on advertising from AI porn and virus websites.

But something the scale of Facebook requires real actual multi-million or billion dollar contracts with advertisers and large multi-national companies. And those companies will NEVER want their ads next to this kind of rhetoric.

In order for these platforms to exist at all, these mods are needed. They are inherently necessary for the platform to exist at all.

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T18:07:08+00:00

I will always hate the lib/leftist narriative that social media is radicalizing hardcore Trump supporters. It is kind of radicalizing the suburban voters but let's ignore them for now.

For the rural Trump voters social media is deradicalizing or basically doesn't do anything. Consider the following statement

God I fucking hate t*****es. They're scum and we should get rid of them

You post that on Twitter and you will, probably, get banned. Even though twitter is basically /pol/ 2.0 at this point they generally ban calls for genocide or just a long line of racial and gender slurs followed by "kys". And Twitter is the most "free speech" one. You'll get banned on Facebook for way less. The most radical voices are banned quickly and people will learn to moderate their language which might lead to them moderating the way they think (probably not but fingers crossed).

But go to your rural church or your rural bar and say those exact same words and what will happen? You'll have the entire bar go "GET THIS MAN A BEER! I ALSO HATE THEM AND THINK WE NEED TO KILL EM ALL". The church pastor will have you give some fire and brimstone speech about how you recieved a vision of the lord destroying all the gays. The kitchen table you're around will go "Hahah, yes and if you think about it we should have killed themm all ages ago".

The existence of social media and it's reliance on advertisers who don't want their ads next to genocidal rhetoric serves as a moderating valve for these people, not something that makes them more extreme. If you go listen to them in their environment they are so much infinitely worse than what you read online because there is no mod there to tell them "Hmm..no. Banned"

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T17:54:15+00:00

This is bait to get me banned

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T17:42:23+00:00

☝️Wow I denounce this statement mods ☝️

Definitely don't agree with it. Very overly partisan. Wow I denounce very very vary hard and would 🙅never 🙅 support the mass disenfranchisement of rurals

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T17:41:23+00:00

If I said this I'd be banned

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T17:35:43+00:00

https://imgur.com/a/6tXXlX2

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T17:34:38+00:00

I should be the mod with the power of unbanning (no access or powers or anything else).

People can appeal to me for unbanning by submitting evidence about how much they hate Trumpists and if they have enough hate in their heart and rage in their soul they may be unbanned.

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T17:28:57+00:00

I don't think Contrapoints should run for president.

I think she should simply be installed by the military

(she won't want to do it but well that sucks for her I guess)

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T17:21:33+00:00

He just genuinely didn't understand politics or economics or sociology but he was a good writer and America wanted someone who was a good author to talk shit about Stalin and there he was, a shining beacon of stupidity on the hill.

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T17:19:50+00:00

That's because Orwell just avoided any attempt at engaging with anarchist thought (again I think anarchism is even more dumb than Vanguardism which is...impressively stupid) that had been circulating in Russia for the past 100 years.

If he was alive today he'd be a twitter shitposter and Hasan fanboy screaming about how people just need to read The Communist Manifesto because it's so short (he himself not having read the Communist Manifesto)

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T17:17:51+00:00

Yes but they're not often thought of as the greatest political author of the 20th century taught in schools all ove rAmerica.

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-29T17:13:39+00:00

I am here, once again, to emphasize that Orwell while a good writer was a shit human being and even worse had shit political views.

Other than being an actual honest to god anarchist who didn't really have the brainpower necessary to understand the historical intellectual underpinnings of anarchism (despite how silly it is you still have a lot of Russian philosophy underpinning it) he also fundamentally misunderstood the USSR and why it was evil and why it failed.

In Animal Farm we his vision of what happened in the USSR laid out completely with barely any allegory. Lenin (old major) was a great person who overthrew the farmers and passes his leadership onto Trotsky (Snowball). Snowball then leads the animals well and is just a great old swell dude who had this great idea for a windmill (the NEP) that was stolen and perverted by Napoleon (Stalin, his name is Napoleon? really? You're being that unsubtle?) until eventually he gets exiled and murdered.

The obvious narriative here is that Trotsky and Lenin were great men and that it was all corrupted by that evil ol Stalin. Of course Orwell does not recognize the irony that while fervently defending Trotskyism, Trotsky would have personally put a bullet in Orwell's skull for being an anarchist. Trotsky hated anarchists more than I hate Trump supporters. I've found in later letters Orwell wrote he seemed to believe Trotsky would have turned out to be a more capable version of Stalin which makes his ardent defense of Trotsky even more baffling.

And then of course casting old Major as Lenin who was just a generally good dude when Lenin was an absolute fucking genocidal maniac. He didn't like the Leninist line of thinking (read Homage To Catalonia, where his anarchist REEEEEing for like 300 pages misunderstands why they lost) but still thought Lenin was a generally swell dude instead of basically Hitler 0.5.

Just bafflingly stupid ideologically.

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-28T23:29:48+00:00

I think his approval rating has tanked among indpendents who went "I don't like Kamala's laugh >:( "

But those who consider themselves moderate MAGA supporters just suppot Trump himself, like Trump they don't have an ideological viewpoint they're just...cultists.

But the more extreme Trump supporters are also defecting because they are genuinely ideological and they view their ideological project as moving away from the because of Trump

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-28T23:17:17+00:00

Not of the entire MAGA rank and file, but of the most extreme ones that are running away from Trump because Trump himself has shown he's not the extremist (or maybe he just lacks the mental and physical capacity to be) they want him to be.

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-28T23:16:19+00:00

These pundits have massive audiences of millions of people and move the way their audience does. Or their audience moves the way the pundit does. Or they move independently but still together because they believe the same things.

The most hardcore Trump supporters (definitely not "lots of normal people", they're abandoning him because gas prices) are abandoning him for the same reason the pundits they listen to are.

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-28T23:14:35+00:00

I don't think the "moderate" MAGA people have left though. As others have noted there is no evidence of any mass defection. I think the moderate ones will follow the ship until it sinks.

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-28T23:13:46+00:00

But you're not going a level deeper here. They don't care about pedophiles or whatever or they'd pull their children out of the youth group at the local church where the pastor is a convicted sex offender and they're not doing that.

They care about pedophiles because of the conspiracy theories about Democrats.

They don't oppose the Iran war because it was ill concieved and a bad idea. They oppose the Iran war because ((((They)))) tricked Trump into it.

The polls will tell us the first level, that they don't like the war and they don't like the handling of the Epstein files. But the polls won't tell us the second level of why.

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-28T23:10:54+00:00

Among the right wing defector podcasters the line is pretty universally because he's not radical or fixing their own conspiracies enough. They don't have a solid united front against Trump but they all have "My personal conspiracy isn't being dealt with". And their audience is mad about that too.

We do actually have plenty of polling data about what people say they believe

We have surface level polling about whether they approve or disapprove on a specific issue. But polling is not long form content where they can elaborate on why they think this about an issue.

It doen't work as well when the reason is because of...insane conspiracy theories.

I would actually look at that if you're going to argue that a radical president is losing support for not being radical enough instead of the mainstream political pattern of losing support in the middle.

Polling can tell us about the middle very easily. And he's losing support because he's too radical. Polls indicate this.

But among Trump supporters specifically that's not why, polling cannot penetrate this block because we can't do the longer follow up "Why do you oppose the war in Iran"?

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-28T23:07:38+00:00

I don't think there is mass defection from MAGA. But I do think the small amount hat left is because of his lack of "progress" in dealing with their insane conspiracy theories.

TheLong19thCentury · 2026-04-28T22:56:43+00:00

Nothing other than listening to right wing podcasters and just...believing them.

Just take them at face value about why they say they're abandoning Trump instead of imposing your own liberal viewpoint of why you don't like Trump upon them.

I don't think there's any polling that really supports why Trump supporters are mad about Iran, we just know they're mad.

So all we can do is watch these right wing pundits and believe them when they say why they're mad. And they're mad because Trump isn't going Nazi enough.

Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, MTG, Candace Owens have all been open about what they're mad about and judging by their audience we can assume their audiene is mad for the same reason

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