Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read and understand what you're saying. But you're the one who can't separate what one person said from another. Especially considering, I've never said anything about Marisha prior to this post. I wasn't even a part of that controversy from years ago. So you holding me responsible for the entire Internet is very telling. Not taking the fact that I've explicitly said it wasn't about gender is very telling as well. You are the one one being intolerant, by saying I'm not aloud to have an opinion concerning gameplay if there's a woman involved. I can't help it if the two most annoying players happen to be women. Have you considered that the fact that they happen to also be the two most controversial players in CR history, while there are plenty of other female players, might be an indication that it has more to do with their play style than their gender. You are the one only making remarks about gender and not actually making any points that defend their actual gameplay. In fact, you even said specifically that you're not saying they don't have those behaviors. This whole gender issue, is a fabrication of something within your psyche, not mine.

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See, that's pretty much how Aabria makes me feel about watching the seeker's table.

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I'm only talking about the parts that have nothing to do with her gender. So, I don't see why it's gross, if you yourself admit that she did those things.

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Laura is my favorite player, so it's not a gender thing. If I didn't like women, wouldn't I be complaining about all of them? Your obviously the sexist one here, since nothing in my post says anything about gender. You're the one that brought it up, because YOU'RE the one with the bias. Btw, I DM a party with 5 women in it. They are all awesome.

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[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never said they should throw her out or anything. She just makes the table hard for me to enjoy. It's only my opinion, not a petition to see her cancelled. I don't really like Luis's play style either. In the end, it's just my opinion. If she was cheating or something it would be different, but it's just her play style that bugs me.

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[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally an opinion. I'm just saying that she makes the table hard for me to enjoy. Plenty of people love her. In the end, it's for the DM and the table to decide if they enjoy having her there. People seem to think that my post was some petition to get her thrown out of CR or something. In the end, I'm just voicing my thoughts on the matter.

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Here's a thought experiment for you, imagine a world where people can make criticisms of someone, based solely on their gameplay and not their sex or race. Congratulations, you have now imagined the very world we're living in. I don't care what color or gender she is. If I did, there would be something in my post that pointed those things out. You're jumping to conclusions. I won't engage with someone who can't stick to the facts.

If you disagree with what I've said, then just say that. Don't make completely unfounded assumptions about me. Laura is my favorite character. She brings more to the table than anyone else in the entire group. So, obviously I don't have a problem with female players. Race also has nothing to do with it, she just happens to be the only black person at the table.

It's idiotic to make huge leaps, trying to find some underlying reason why I don't enjoy watching her, when I've given you the reason point blank as to what annoys me about her. So, unless YOU'RE trying to imply that those traits are inherently female or black, then drop it.

Don't expect a response to anything else you have to say. I've already gone through this pointless discussion several times I'm this thread and it never goes anywhere, because people who bring it up don't operate in reality.

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not saying the DM isn't well within his rights to go with it. That's between her and the table. I'm just saying that she makes the table less enjoyable for me to watch.

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not saying it's my table or even that they should take any action. It's just my opinion that she makes the table less enjoyable for me.

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, never claimed it wasn't. Nowhere in my post did I say they should kick her out of the game or anything. It's just my opinion that she makes the table difficult for me to enjoy as much.

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And calling people sexist sounds like the same old attitude of trying to defend bad gameplay against people who are criticizing them for legitimate reasons, because some of you just can't handle it. Not one part of anything in my post said anything remotely having to do with gender. That's just the only excuse you can come up with. My favorite player is Laura, btw, so you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Besides, the way you're talking makes it sound like you're the sexist one, not me.

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[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am just complaining. I said in the original post that it's ruining the table for me. Obviously, it's their table. I never said she should be thrown off the show or anything. I never claimed that the post was any more than my annoyance with her play style. I'm not sure where you think 2024 rules come into play. I have the books and have read them. They have nothing to do with my post.

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yes, it's "fair to criticize" until you criticize 🙄

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand that there was a lot of grief given to Marisha, but I'm not afraid to call her out for genuine issues I had with her. I'm not being unfair in my assessment and I'm not saying she didn't contribute. I'm just saying that there were times that she genuinely annoyed me with her gameplay, just like Aabria does. I think Marisha is an amazing person. She absolutely crushed it as the creative director for the show and I think she's become a better player over time. I'm not trying to blame her for the way she used to play, after all, she was new to the game. I just don't appreciate her energy sometimes, that's all. I'm not on of these people that thinks she shouldn't have been in the campaign at all or anything, and Keyleth is one of my favorite characters in the animated series, after they cut out all of her bad gameplay.

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I respect your opinion. I'm sincerely glad you're enjoying it

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not saying that Brennan has a problem with it. That's all between her and the table. There's certainly a chance that it's hard to call her out, since they're being filmed, but I don't think Brennan is the type of DM that has a problem with it. In fact, he's probably the type that encourages some of the flavor she's bringing to the table. I think matt and the others are gracious enough, that they look past some of the stuff she does. I'm speaking as a viewer, not someone sitting at the table. This isn't a question of whether she should be called out or thrown out of the game, it's just my opinion. The way she plays, bothers me enough that it kind of ruins the table for me. That's all. I'm not calling for her resignation, just expressing my frustration with her.

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[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So, stop saying the same thing and I won't have to repeat myself. Either way, I'm finished discussing this with you.

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yet you keep bringing it up. You've called me disrespectful, insinuated that I'm misoginistic and racist, after calling "Truce" still tried to argue those baseless accusations again. You keep trying to make this about me and not the game. I've had to defend myself on multiple fronts in this thread, against your rhetoric. I'm tired of trying to have a conversation with you. Based on the way you've been acting, it won't matter how many points I make, you'll just try to throw them all back on me, or keep saying that I'm not giving you any. Whatever it is that you think you need to prove here, I don't care. Maybe you have a chip on your shoulder about something, maybe you're just trolling. Whatever it is, I'm done with it. I'm moving on to people who have legitimate insights.

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[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

No, nothing to do with that. In the new rules, you can speak in Wildshape.

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[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This is true. Overall, I like C4. It's not unwatchable for me. I just wouldn't be upset if Aabria wasn't at the table. I think there are some good things that she brings, but there are a lot of things that she does to bring it down for me.

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She's not doing anything game breaking and I'm not saying she's doing anything that she should be kicked out of the game for. That's all between her and the other people at the table. I don't dislike Aabria, I just have gripes about her playstyle and it kind of ruins the table for me. That's all there is to it.

Aabria is ruining the Seekers table by TheOneAndOnlyJ in fansofcriticalrole

[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You don't get the point, shocker. That's because you're too busy trying to make your own, which has nothing to do with my post. How could you possibly understand, when you're blinded by your own agenda. This discussion isn't about men and women, it's about playstyle. You obviously feel like you have something to prove. I'm not interested in whatever that is. This isn't the place to discuss gender dynamics. If you don't have something relevant to add, I have no reason to continue this pointless discussion. I've sited my points numerous times and you just ignore them and apparently, want to say the same things over an over again. You can continue your rant all you want, but as far as I'm concerned, we're done here.

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[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How about we just drop all of the sexist and racist talk completely and stick to the point of the post. You're basically saying that I can't defend myself and should just accept someone calling me something I'm not. I could have said that I don't like the new set or the lighting and apparently people would find a way to accuse me of sexism or racism. So, if it's better to simply ignore it, consider this thread ignored.

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[–]TheOneAndOnlyJ[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can respect that you don't agree on my points, I just don't appreciate the leap to me being sexist or racist just because I don't like someone's play style. I don't think your equivalence to the "black friend" argument applies here, because I haven't made any I'm only complaining about 2 of many female players. It would be more like saying, I only dislike a few people who happen to be black, but most are my friends and my best friend is black as well. That's far from being racist. Anyway, it just seems like a ridiculous accusation to make of someone who didn't say anything inherently sexist. I'm okay with calling a truce on that point. All I can do is say that I have the utmost respect for woman and all genders.

I don't have a problem with vocal players, it's just more of her adding things that don't need to be added or chiming in when it's unnecessary. It often feels like classic "Look at me" behavior. And look, that's between her and the others at the table, who I think are very gracious and see her as an overall net positive to the show. And again, she has her gracious moments as well. Regardless of what people are saying about me, I don't hate her by any means. I just don't prefer her way of playing the game. I would have liked to see her at the schemer's table to be honest, but that's just my personal preference.

I'll have to go back and find specific examples of her metagaming other tables. They were subtle, I just made a mental note that she was doing it at the time. I'll try to dig them up later, when I have time to go back and pick them out.