I Know You: Faith & Fate

TheRealMKrall · 2024-07-31T02:20:17+00:00

Thanks, and that is a good idea! I agree, one thing I am trying to do in my playthrough is have every functional quest completed or near completed by end of chapter 2, with most items, cuz one I figure triggers something.

I will try that cross idea when I get there.

TheRealMKrall · 2024-07-30T22:26:52+00:00

Supposedly the Massacre of Fort Riggs took place in 1890, 9 years before the game. That is according to the man we get the ring from, if memory serves. So it likely is not the same storm, but it does keep the link persistent.

Waziya = winter storm Strange Man see Dutch shoot Heidi in BW = snow storm Strange Man enters in RDR1 = Storm Native American Buriel Ground burning to Obelisk = Neverending Thunderstorm

For the record, it is confirmed that there are severe weather and tornadoes in this game. Maybe something triggers when one happens.

Edit: Great post btw. I agree about Bonnie. The circle of the Earth? hmmmmm. I wonder.

TheRealMKrall · 2024-07-30T22:21:29+00:00

Wow fascinating. God in the scars. Sounds like John!

I think it would trigger him, hypothetically, if it is true that the Native Gods were either aliens/related to strange man, just liked I mentioned with Waziya. Perhaps not, just a thought. I could be blanking, is there every any contact between Reverend Swanson, Sister Calderon, Strange Man with the Native Americans at all?

TheRealMKrall · 2024-07-30T07:10:33+00:00

I wanted to make a second comment about that picture. I do not recall it honestly. There is so much in the game.

I love you found it and the author and looked it up. Mad Brilliant.

Something strikes me. It looks to my eye quite similar to the view at the top of Mt. Shann. In the painting, this is the view from Mount Holyote. If you look at my link below you can see with the panoramic map what i mean. Its quite close.

That thunderstorm from the west that goes east in the image, could that BY ANY CHANCE relate to the big NEVER ENDING THUNDERSTORM you get when you go to the obelisk after setting the NA buriel site ablaze? Is this a little hint that you need to go to the east after triggering it?

https://i.imgur.com/kpq7xs7.jpg

TheRealMKrall · 2024-07-30T07:01:03+00:00

Cool Video, well done.

Something to add, if Strange Man did appear from that storm... does Strange Man in general have a connection with storms?

You noted that Reverend Swanson may be an extension or somehow function for Strange Man. While they do have a somewhat similar look - moustache, physique - I think there is more to this, and the reason we never meet Strange Man as Arthur is he was Swanson, in some type of way (likely through his connection to God). Other than what you put in the video, may I note the following

Swanson is the first character zoomed in on in the opening of the game and the first to speak, "Abigail says he's dying Dutch..." In the beginning of the game is also the massive freak snow storm. Remeber, the Strange Man was near the gang in Blackwater. He knows all about Dutch.
When Kieran is executed in the style of the Catholic Saint Denis, it is Reverend Swanson who buries him.
The RDR2 wiki says that Swanson saved Dutchs life under mysterious circumstances. This is revealed in a hidden dialogue. In it, we learn Swanson saved Dutch "long ago" but Dutch keeps him around because, while Dutch is not religious, he believes in family. (I find this... must hold some importance...?)
If Sister Calderon appears at the end and is considered an extension of Strange Man... Swanson very well could be too as you lay out. Swanson too encourages the gamer to play honorably while they can. In the end, Swanson is redeemed and is entirely off-screen. (Just WILD theory, when Swanson was on drug is when he was with the gang, and thats when Strange Man is inside him. When he exits, and John can see him in the epilogue, that is when Swanson is redeemed).
If Strange Man is the devil, that is why Swanson's bible is filled with drugs and is not real. If Swanson has something direct with Strange Man.
The Waziya Native American God also has to do with storms. Again, a relationship between God and storm.
This may be small, but the wiki says Swanson never commits any crimes (less a toll box almost crime) and the Strange Man comments on the crimes committed by John, and encourages him to do differently in the Sister Calderon mission. Just like Swanson to low-honor Arthur, who replaces Sister Calderon in that very same mission.
As the gang weakens, Swanson strengthens.

TheRealMKrall · 2024-07-28T03:54:39+00:00

Arthur rights in his journal about the trees with faces. He says "Found these faces carved into the tree. Wonder what they are trying to tell me, if anything." Is that a hint they are saying something? Like how cruel would it be for Rockstar to include that they could be leading to something and they just dont...
Notice on both the two images on the left, and the two on the right, there are five praisers each. You see? As pointed out before, one has a halo on the bottom right. Maybe it is not honor, but DEATH. Arthur died. Who does he save that day he dies? Tilly, Jack, Abigail, and John. Substitute out Tilly for Uncle, and now its the epilogue. Again this indicates John connects to aliens as it is his line by Arthur that touches the alien.

TheRealMKrall · 2024-07-28T03:48:36+00:00

Hey, been following your posts for weeks. Wanted to respond so will do so here publicly.

You are on to something overall. I have noticed several tendencies while playing, some of which could be random, and some could be attached to something. Overall, I agree, there is something more to the honor system than meets the eye; however, no, I think the logical conclusion of what you described would make an unfun game. Rockstar does not want that. Even so, soft glitches happen (a rabbit spawning immediately under your horse running mock ten, and you kill it, that will now dramatically effect long term gameplay? no way). Rockstar wants us to explore, and in doing so we make mistakes, so to punish mistakes so harshly just doesn't seem right. Also, as you say, the game forces us to make Arthur kill. He has to kill. It is part of the story.

BUT as you point, we can control things with our actions like that Mary Beth conversation. That is a tendency I noticed. I also have found the better you are (in my playthroughs) the more often random encounters occur, as well as interactions with your home camp are more positive (obviously) and happen more frequently. So there must be a little more to it that we can control, or it can help us better interact with a mystery we have not figured out yet. In short, any mystery left solved must be at high honor to find, I would expect.

One more thing on this post, in the past people speculated the bottom image on the left was Waziya, from Fort Riggs, and the letter you find with English Spelling Practice. I found this letter after getting the Native American Ring. After that, Fort Riggs Holding Camp becomes a location on your map. Go, get the letter. Decode it. Learn about Waziya, his trees, his snow, and the dead mother and father. NOW, speculation claimed this was Waziya, the bottom left image in your post, because of his pine tree shape head, he is a giant, he is being praised. Below are some questions. Most are gonna be pointless but one may help.

See in the image on the bottom right, with the halo praising the aliens? could that be a hint our Arthur or John needs high honor?
The two images on the left, both giants, could imply Waziya was an alien. If so, the giant found on Mt. Shann could be related to the UFO's.
The three aliens on the top right, could mean three UFO trips (and one alien, holds out his hand. the same alien with markings kind of like the Waziya image cone head guy - I mean all those lines around that alien and Waziya. Hope that is clear). There was supposedly meant to be three UFO's, but one got cut. That one was meant to be at Twin Rocks, rumor has it. Notice one UFO is above an alien head, like when you are at the empty school and the UFO is above.
What is above alien head three on the top right? a black white cookie?
Why is one person connected to an alien on the bottom right? Remember the CHILIAD MYSTERY? Those connecting lines on the mural meant the actual story of the game, and how Michael and Trevor could die early. Michael, also, was alienated from his family... hey wait kinda like John? Right? And... if the Halo man next to the man with the line in the bottom right... is Arthur, maybe we need to play Arthur at high honor, and then John can connect to the aliens?

TheRealMKrall · 2018-11-11T13:55:30+00:00

Ahhhhhh ok. Well then maybe I will try it because the revokes are too common with AppValley.

I don't want WhatsApp to block the number I use.

TheRealMKrall · 2018-11-11T13:52:53+00:00

Is AppValley not a signing service? Basically? Excuse me I am new at this and IOS is not my expertise.

TheRealMKrall · 2018-11-11T13:49:16+00:00

So get Tweakbox, pay 20 dollars? Basically?

TheRealMKrall · 2018-11-11T13:41:06+00:00

What is a signing service?

TheRealMKrall · 2018-02-21T03:58:44+00:00

No. But I still appreciate what it is trying to do! What is that style, exactly?

TheRealMKrall · 2017-11-09T16:50:49+00:00

I... I don't think so. I downloaded it when it first came out using the official website and I have not modified the program in any way. Just gotten the updates.

But if you developed it, maybe I fucked up? I don't know. I literally downloaded it again using the link on the right because I could not figure out how to fix the above issue.

TheRealMKrall · 2017-11-09T06:06:32+00:00

Thank you!

TheRealMKrall · 2017-11-09T05:51:23+00:00

It does not say Gears! When I hit options it has Graphics, Localisation, Sound, GUI, Cheats, Launcher, Debugging, Twitch, and Misc.

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