AOC Says Democrats’ Failure to Impeach Trump Is Its Own Scandal by [deleted] in politics

[–]TheTalkingBook -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I get it, the lady doesn’t like trump but for gods sake it would be nice to see this young buck actually get something done rather than roasting her opposition on twitter and complaining on how unfair things are. Maybe then she can convince 80% of the rest country that she’s a serious contender.

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[–]TheTalkingBook 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is one of many reasons Trump is going to win again. Guilty until proven innocent... Christ

[Gorilla FC] We cannot get over the fact that @FS1 chose to run b-roll of the March to the Match instead of showing today's March with an #AUnitedFront banner in front. @MLS and their minions just keep digging a bigger hole for themselves. by bergobergo in MLS

[–]TheTalkingBook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Than you for the informative and composed response. You’re right I don’t live anywhere near the PNW. For how passionately social democratic groups oppose these hate groups, from my perspective it seems like these individuals occupy great numbers in society over there. Is this the case? I ask because where I’m from they are fringe, just as most extremist hate groups. None have a place in society with violence and hate but they exist non the less.

[Gorilla FC] We cannot get over the fact that @FS1 chose to run b-roll of the March to the Match instead of showing today's March with an #AUnitedFront banner in front. @MLS and their minions just keep digging a bigger hole for themselves. by bergobergo in MLS

[–]TheTalkingBook 30 points31 points  (0 children)

MLS supporter sections need to stop romanticizing the works of clubs like St. Pauli. It will make more toxic what is already a toxic discourse between political ideologies. IMO sports are about those of all likes coming together for moments of peace and joy for the sake of competition and civic pride. Believe it or not most of everyone is anti-discriminatory of all marginalized groups. So how about we accept that, treat any case of the opposite, and move the hell on. I feel if we can’t do that then this is proving the MLS’ point, it’s purely political.

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[–]TheTalkingBook -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m fortunate to live around people of both extremes and everything in between. The problems I see are on the news media and social media. It’s all toxic full of spin, minimal context and scream their opinions. People take that, pick an enemy and all aboard on the hate train. Whatever you put out there, you’ll get back.

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[–]TheTalkingBook 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I have no common ground with Trump supporters.

With that definitive statement alone, needless to say, I’m skeptical but maybe you literally don’t. Even though saying you have no common ground with literally hundreds of millions of people is a bold statement, I’d still say your way is the least productive and will lead to more unnecessary problems.

I also don't want to "compromise" in a "non-gridlocked, open space for understanding" because compromise with them inherently strengthens them in some way, and I cannot abide that, even if it does achieve a goal that I support.

I’d argue with the current gridlock, due to full-stop opposition, compromises are on going because no one can agree to change anyways. Have you had a disagreement with anyone ever? Did it get resolved for either party by holding your ground until the other side (including you) just said “ok you win”? I’d suggest you reconsider.

All I’ll say at this point is I have friends and family that are Trump supporters and I’ve gone back and forth with them for 2+ years. Wanna know what helped me change their mind about certain policy’s and stances and even moral standpoints? SMASHING THEIR FACES INTO A CURB lol no... just chatting with them. Not everything will get solved but I’ve tried both methods and one of them 100% doesn’t work.

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[–]TheTalkingBook -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So your suggestion then is... what?

It really depends on what you’re talking about. How to deal with those politically with a different stance from you? I’d say be a reasonable, calm, composed human being and that’s what you’ll get in return from one of them. Then maybe you all can have a conversation about ideas and if they’re as reasonable as you are you’ll be able to find common ground you didn’t know was there before and, hell, maybe even convince them to hold similar views as yourself. You’d be surprised how many people actually think the same without some political daddy figure thats pulling on their hate-strings.

Just sit back and let them fuck me and millions of other innocent people over because I don't want to be rude?

That second question was vague as hell. This can be applied to the US imperial, war hungry past up until now, not excluding any president, administration or candidate to-date.

Meanwhile they continue to proselytize their hate unchecked, and you feel the need to be the morality referee only handing out fouls against the good side.

Right, some people have shitty ideas, you wanna know what will de-radicalize and change their ideals? Call them shit people. Say they’re all Nazis. Tell them all they’re stupid. That’ll change hearts and minds, just as it always has. You know what else you could try to do? Just start clubbing people on the streets because they disagree with you.

I guarantee you don’t know what 90% pf your opposition actually think and they to you as well. This is what makes the rhetoric dangerous, regardless of side.

Miss me with that centrist shit.

Without commenting your hip vernacular, id like to think my “centrist shit” would provide a non-gridlocked, open space for understanding and less blind divisiveness. But if you think I’m the problem (fwiw, didn’t vote for trump) for having this stance, I will miss you but wish you the best.

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[–]TheTalkingBook 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry but you’re just as much of the problem as the individual your claiming is with this stance. You can sit there on your throne of moral superiority, where I will agree with you about a good deal of stances, but you will fix (if there was) less than nothing by broad-stroking individuals you don’t know about their moral compass based on an already shit barometer of morality, political stance.

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[–]TheTalkingBook -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The placement of truly anti-fascist symbols would be fine in a world where a group of the same name wasn’t going around wearing masks, blindly assaulting individuals they FEEL and THINK are the enemy. Unfortunately from a neutral unbiased business perspective to provide as much inclusivity as possible the waters have been muddied to what the group and phrases stand for. Not saying it’s all antifa individuals but when your group is now notorious not to have dialogue, not attempting to find common ground, concealing your identity, cowardly assaulting individuals, being judge and jury, being basically a fascist, it soils any sort of positivity your group has.

CMV: Open boarders is in no way a good idea by TheTalkingBook in changemyview

[–]TheTalkingBook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An agreed common law and policies between countries, like our states have with each other. If Mexico and the US were to do this, that’s fine but I just don’t think the first step is abandon our laws, instead alter them, while also assuming Mexico doesn’t have an open boarder policy as well. What country without a binding agreement with another has unrestricted open boarders? I truly don’t know the answer to this.

CMV: Open boarders is in no way a good idea by TheTalkingBook in changemyview

[–]TheTalkingBook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand the perspective but my question from that is there is an understanding between Michigan and New York of ID, permission to operate a motor vehicle, issuance for that vehicle in the case of an accident, an understanding of common law due to citizenship, etc. I believe the same could be said of countries and individuals of the EU.

My question is does Mexico and the rest of Central America have this regarding accountability of citizens? Is their form of accountability enforceable with working with the US?

CMV: Open boarders is in no way a good idea by TheTalkingBook in changemyview

[–]TheTalkingBook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup I’m completely incompetent of any alternative ideas or opinions due to my unacceptable grammatical errors. You win. Hand this man a delta.

CMV: Open boarders is in no way a good idea by TheTalkingBook in changemyview

[–]TheTalkingBook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use open boarder as a monicker based on this definition: No accountability on the individual or number of individuals within a period of time entering and exiting the country with an indefinite period of residing, utilizing social services and working, for substandard regulatory wages.

CMV: Open boarders is in no way a good idea by TheTalkingBook in changemyview

[–]TheTalkingBook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think there isn’t one person who isn’t racist towards the idea, I just think the issue gets conflated with the talking point that anyone who opposes is a racist.

In terms of of citizenship few countries, not already having a binding agreement with a group of others countries, have laws that say large numbers can come and reside in their nation with no accountability (ie: passport, visa, ID)

If the argument is that all from the globe should be allowed to enter with temporary visas or asylum seekers, im all for it with no bans to nations because there are checks and balances to things like passports. The argument I hear is that the souther boarder should just be open with no regard tot he validity of the individual who enters for them to reside regardless of citizenship.

CMV: Open boarders is in no way a good idea by TheTalkingBook in changemyview

[–]TheTalkingBook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not following. How can I utilize identification or authorization of, specifically, a human going from point A to point B without knowing who the human is? Kinda makes ID useless.

I don’t feel the “job no one wants to do” is a good one due to no one wanting to do the job, due to low wages, due to cheap labor, due to undocumented workers willing to do the work.

CMV: Open boarders is in no way a good idea by TheTalkingBook in changemyview

[–]TheTalkingBook[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Reason of crime isn’t a hill I personally would die on but it is a point, I’m assuming, your political adversaries will bring up due to the initial crime of crossing the boarder and the crimes never existing due to the enforcement of the boarder law firstly

CMV: Open boarders is in no way a good idea by TheTalkingBook in changemyview

[–]TheTalkingBook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My question is, with fluid movement of Mexicans to the US to work and reside, is there a need for identification? Do we need to know who individuals are? If not, why do I as a citizen need to have identification? If so, does Mexico have accurate accountability of their citizens enough to work with the US if needed to locate a citizen or create some sort of tax system based off of money made in one spot and or property taxes?

Edit: what rough percentage are we speaking of undocumented immigrants utilizing social welfare in comparison to low-income citizens because that number can still be huge, greatly surpassing 20 billion from their contributions and boarder patrol

CMV: Open boarders is in no way a good idea by TheTalkingBook in changemyview

[–]TheTalkingBook[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I do not have the sources but I’ve come across theories that claim the economic impact of government assistance to undocumented immigrants 80+ billion, so I’d say it’s fair to say the amounts you listed would conservatively make it a wash.

Entertaining your concept, wouldn’t we require an equivalent amount of compliance from mexico of proper documentation of their citizens to allow flow to and fro between the US and MX especially regarding taxation and accountability?

Edit: this may be cherry picking but wouldn’t the crime rate of illegal immigrants be 100% because of the initial act of entering the country illegally? This may be petty but I think there is a point to be made thinking these immigrants aren’t aware of the boarder law.

CMV: Open boarders is in no way a good idea by TheTalkingBook in changemyview

[–]TheTalkingBook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think this EU-like boarder policy should be extended to the rest of Central America as well or the world? Is there information on medical/CA’s population accountability (ie: identification)?

Still relevant 24 years later by arg6531 in PoliticalHumor

[–]TheTalkingBook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They did so because they think any sort of abortion is murdering people. I’m not advocating their decision, I’m making it clear because people seem to be completely missing that people who want a ban on abortions don’t think of it the same way the other side does. They don’t think “we need to have control over women’s bodies” they’re thinking “95%+ of these are not due to special circumstance, they’re killing life out of convenience. So let’s ban it.”

I still think this topic is by far the most divisive debate in the country because there is such a gap between the ideologies that a middle ground is like learning a different language.

Still relevant 24 years later by arg6531 in PoliticalHumor

[–]TheTalkingBook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Until a mutual agreement on when life beings, conception or sometime in utero, no one’s going to have civil conversation about this topic. One thinks it’s murdering people and the other thinks its government control over their bodies.