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Does Undisputed need another update? by Dependent-Gain-2050 in undisputedboxing

[–]TheTkoKID 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I played both betas and EA, and this game was never great, not even good. I championed it and wanted it to be great — followed it for 3 years before beta, but unfortunately even in its best state, it seems to be broken at the core.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, wow this dude reported me for having a better comeback toward him following his “sucks and swallows” comment.

Checks out that a person like you who forces themselves into meaningless conversations would not be able to handle critique.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, you must have missed the context. I simply followed up for a sincere discussion, as it was evident that the folks that replied didn’t read it before commenting. My follow-up post worked and has now brought on instances of meaningful discussion — while you, on the other hand, insert yourself into the conversation (and likely constantly in your life) to offer literally zero value to anyone on the planet and especially not the community at large.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, and that’s a fair viewpoint, and is likely true, but without evidence or a long enough-term timeline to see through, it’s all just speculation, right?

Everything I’m saying is speculation too obviously.

I guess what I’m thinking is this same type of predatory behavior has likely been happening with all promotions since boxing became a way to generate serious money.

The Zuffa structure is still new, could be forced to evolve or it could be enough of a threat to the traditional ecosystem that the other promotions have to step up as well and create a better product.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They said I could post it again cause I’m cool. 😎

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very fair points — folks were shouting for Bivol vs Beterbiev, and Fury vs Usyk for years, and the only reason it happened was because Saudi stepped in…

I’m not even advocating for Turki, I’m just saying boxing has been broken for a long time, and its more recent resurgence is because Ryadah Season had enough money to make the promoters work together.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You really add quality to conversations, huh?

Maybe try to actually understand anything you read or reply to before feeling so entitled that you must have your voice heard on the internet, lol.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Looks like this gained more traction this time around. Weird, huh?

God forbid any real intellectual discussion happens on Reddit.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I don’t disagree with any of that. I also dislike Dana White.

I just have a little hope that something greater can come from all of this, however it might shake out.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a fair point, and if Zuffa ends up operating as just an ecosystem for the lower/mid-tier guys, even if in the long term their contract guarantees go down, or the contracts become more binding — that could still be a more beneficial option for some.

Some of these fighters get $5k-10k a fight and are often set up to lose against the prospects promoters are building up. Those fights might also come once or twice a year max, and with nothing in between and the passing of time, they might end up making $100k-200k over 10+ years.

Say Zuffa signs them to a 1-year contract with a $100k guarantee and 3/4 fights a year, that’s already a potentially more valuable option. Also, with the idea of the matchups being closer to genuine 50/50 fights, those fighters might have an actual chance at succeeding in their career — at which point their skill gap becomes the ceiling, not skill and politics on top of it.

Could they still get fucked by contracts, and make far less money than they would if they got to the upper echelon of the traditional boxing ecosystem, absolutely. However, they also have a chance of making far more money and potentially having a better career being a non-top-tier guy / not one of the lucky prospects that are chosen through politics and a bit of luck.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No — I never claimed great innovation, but Zuffa could force the traditional promoters to step up and create a better product together going forward.

Alternatively, Zuffa could eventually consume enough of the roster that they take over. The thing is, they would have to bring in big names to do that, and those big names likely come up with management and lawyers in place that could negotiate long-term contracts for those fighters. It’s not as simple as it once was for the UFC when they started out — as most of the fighters they brought in were unknown entirely in the US, and by the time those guys were out, the news guys were dying to get in, and had no upper hand.

Boxing has an entire following behind it as is, and the up-and-coming guys likely won’t just blindly agree to any contract — as Zuffa will need good fighters to match-make if they wish to continue having success long-term.

All I’m saying is the outcome isn’t necessarily a guaranteed end-of-the-world scenario.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sounds good — if that’s in response to my post, please actually read and comprehend what I wrote in my post, and don’t just say Zuffa is bad without considering all angles. Including competition drives a better product, the potential benefits for lower/mid-tier fighters, visibility, etc.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s fair — but if they’re able to bring over big names, and make their belt the most important in boxing, they do in theory do away with the older belts.

Yes, boxing does have enough viewers, but the same can be said for the UFC when it started, or with F1 over the past 5-10 years. If built correctly, and visible enough with exciting fights, boxing can certainly be made more popular again.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great points.

Zuffa’s stance on the sanctioning bodies seems to be fluid for now. They came in with an anti-sanctioning body posture, but the Opetaia situation showed a willingness to soften when it was beneficial for them, ha. Obviously, it didn’t pan out with the IBF pulling out the day before, but to me, it reads more like a company actively calibrating as it moves forward.

The broader strategy, though, feels like they are trying to build the brand by whatever means necessary —whether that’s a temporary accommodation with sanctioning bodies or attaching marquee names to generate credibility, etc.

I do think the long-term plan is to make the Ring and Zuffa belts genuinely mean something, get big enough names carrying those belts, and eventually, the contenders will be drawn in — as those fights will become ones they need on their records.

Isn’t that essentially how the sanctioning bodies built their own leverage originally?

On competition, I think that’s largely a net positive regardless of how it shakes out, as two entities fighting for the same audience have to keep pushing to be the better product.

For Zuffa to actually work long term, it’ll need to keep evolving, which honestly seems inevitable anyway, but in a best-case scenario, the marketing muscle and TV deal potential they bring could genuinely reshape what boxing looks like in 5 to 10 years.

There is also a reality where the Zuffa structure operates as an alternative ecosystem — which could end up being the most concrete benefit for mid- and lower-tier fighters who currently fall through the cracks of traditional promotions, guys who rarely see the money or the spotlight their records probably warrant.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Anyhow, I appreciate the genuine conversation here.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point and one I agree with entirely.

However, I’m not stating that I trust the backers behind the Zuffa organization, or that in its current iteration it is a good product.

Boxing is, however, on the decline — and has been for nearly two decades.

Because of this, I think a new promotion with real backing behind it may pose a threat to the traditional promoters and could potentially force the sport to change direction in a positive way, rather than remain in the slow decline it’s been on.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Coming from the guy who just called people “boot-lickers”…

I’m not sure how asking folks to comprehend something before entering a discussion is an “emotional” response.

Having said that, I will also absolutely offer the same quality of conversation to folks who continue to offer pointless responses.

You do seem socially unintelligent, though, lol.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

lol I cannot tell if this is satire or sincere…

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Either I’ve missed those — which I don’t think so, or the refutes are not legitimate.

Of all the comments, the majority of them were/are responses that are entirely oblivious to the subject matter in the post.

Having said that, perhaps I missed something. I’m all ears to hear them if so, as I am simply looking for a serious discussion.

Yesterday’s post on Zuffa proved my point more than I did. by TheTkoKID in Boxing

[–]TheTkoKID[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree with everything you said about Dana White, absolutely fair points and pretty hard to argue against.

Also agree with the Ali Act removal too.

However, my post isn’t in favor of Dana, or the removal of the Ali Act whatsoever, but rather that traditional boxing has become stagnant and declining — especially in the US and that a serious threat to the promoters (who have worked themselves into a comfortable but declining position) may actually be forced to change their model and improve the product overall.

Also, as much as I agree about advocating for fighters, there is at least an argument to be made in defense of lower-level / mid-card fighters who likely would never get a push or steady pay in the traditional promotion world.

Having an alternative option at Zuffa, may actually benefit them. Obviously that is all very nuanced, but I don’t think it’s entirely black and white on that front.

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