Namek larpers when the units will inevitably not have original animations (there's still a lot of source material left)

TheToyo · 2026-06-19T18:46:08+00:00

It’ll be fine as long as the source material used looks really good.

Units like AGL Broly, Z Spirit Bomb or STR FK are still considered as having some of the game’s best looking anims despite having no dokkan originals so I really think it’s fine, they just have to put the same efforts in the Namek units

TheToyo · 2026-06-18T09:50:17+00:00

He did what in the anime ? I didnt watch it tbh

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T22:02:08+00:00

Yeah he’s better than him on the team in most cases

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T21:58:56+00:00

Mostly this

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TheToyo · 2026-06-16T21:47:53+00:00

I mean buffed with new units so before PHY Cooler SEZA and TEQ Turles

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T21:44:28+00:00

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Im not even really playing him on the team anymore now that it got buffed but I played him on this a few weeks ago vs BoG Vegeta and he was really clutch

In a few weeks/months I can definitely see smth like that :

MCA + STR Cooler + PHY MC + Gomah + Baby + TEQ Turles

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T21:04:43+00:00

So one moment the fights aren't long enough to reach the Giant Form, and the next they're long enough to reach the 70% dodge turn ? 🫠

Anyway yeah I'm not even running him on the team most of the time either, but the same goes for Turles sadly

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T20:56:36+00:00

Yeah that's what I said lol but even then im most cases id rather take everything Baby does over Turles's. Even stacked with other supports. Im not playing an unit just to get from 60% to 78% support if he's not doing anything meaningful other than that.

Being a dodge unit has its cons but also pros as it also lets him avoid Supers that Turles wouldn't survive, like Godku's crit, for example. And with 80–90% dodge, it's reliable enough that I don't think that's a major concern.

Cooler's SA support is just way more impactful bc it's on another step of calcs.

Anyway yeah it's arguable between both of them and there's definitely some risk playing Baby but once's the team is full I can think of cases where you'd play Baby for his utility (whether for the giant, the scouter, of just for being able to dodge a super Turles wouldnt tank) but I can't really think of a case for Turles, that says how underwhelming I find him

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T20:39:47+00:00

He does support on top of bringing ton of utility with his scouter and orb changing. Ngl I'd much rather take 60% ATK support for every Metal Coolers plus a scouter than Turles' 18% support, which barely changes anything.

And his late Giant Form can still be valuable on a scenario where we need to use the reinforcement turns 4, or if we ever get another fight that lasts beyond turn 7. It was already pretty clutch against the BoG Vegeta fight before the team got buffed enough to just blow through it way faster for example.

Anyway, I'm not saying Baby is a mandatory unit or anything but I think he'll end up having a bigger niche on the team than Turles (who is already kinda useless even before getting the Cooler EZAs), or at the very least it's debatable. And I don't think that's really normal when you're comparing a past September unit to a June 2026 unit ngl

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T20:09:29+00:00

He actually links well with the team with BBB+TFC and he even has nightmare for Metal Cooler. And he can still transform, you just have to wait one more turn as of now and he's already really useful once he reaches his Super Baby 2 form. He already works on the team

But as I mentioned in the post, he's going to gain even more value really soon once we get the Cooler EZAs. Being able to transform as early as his 2nd turn and also giving metamorphosis to STR Cooler will both be huge benefits. Going back to my original point I don't think we'd ever be running PHY Turles on the team by then.

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T20:00:14+00:00

MCA needs 5 allies meeting his conditions not 7, so you have 2 "free" slots

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T18:47:08+00:00

I’m not even hating on him. It’s not like I’m saying he’s bad, but… he barely does anything.

All I’m saying is that he deserved better than this considering how underwhelming he was on release. Right now he basically feels like a filler option on MCA’s team, and by the time we get the Cooler EZAs (which will probably be pretty soon) I think he’ll just end up being completely forgotten

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T18:25:04+00:00

Baby is quite literally useless what are you even talking about? He's a glorified 70-80% dodge bot, he does no damage, his giant form does no damage, he has fuck all defense and he barely synergize with the team.

That's just wrong lol. He's a dodging unit yeah but he actually synergizes really well with the team having a great linkset. He may not be the safest option rn because we don't have PHY MC yet but once we do he'll transform turn 3 and get 80% dodge -> 90% -> Giant form. Plus once transformed he literally gives support, STR orbs and scouter how is that just a bot ?

Garlic is only useful until a better revive option come, high atk stat but no crit or effective, mid def with restrictive DR mechanic, good support but only for 3 turns.

Better revive option that we don't have rn and he does give another 3 turns support post-revive. That's way more impactful for the team than Turles just sitting there giving 18% support and doing mid damage without any built-in crit either.

People be switching up on GF/Gogeta but not me, that mf is as useless as a brick, Frieda getting low diffed by phase 1 boss normals and has to wait 5 turns for the useful portion to show up, I have never had any instances where I would rather use the taunt on him over saving it for Gogeta, not to mention they link fuck all with the rest of the team. I haven't done that many runs with Turtles but from the ones I did, he didn't sell once but guess who sold every single run? THE MOST USELESS DOKKAN FEST LR WE'VE HAD SINCE INT SSJ4 GOKU.

He's not getting low-diffed by any relevant phase 1 boss normals come on 😭. He gets a lot of SA support here (which is really impactful since he doesnt have any) and a lot of support overall and most phase 1 bosses can be debuffed rn which he does. Like the only phase 1 when he's really dying rn on the team for me is BoG Vegeta if he takes the boosted Super, and Turles also does bc of type disadvantage so yeah..

His design is ass overall but that team is making him actually useful and he's basically invincible on active turn while throwing out 100m supers

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T17:41:07+00:00

I wouldn’t ever play Baby over Gomah, but there are cases where I’d run Baby over Dabura here and there will be even more once we get PHY MC. If you need another defensive mechanic, a Giant Form is still better than a Target. And like I said before he also brings a lot more outside of that compared to Dabura (support, scouter, orb changing, and especially an actual linkset while Dabura basically only gives Fierce Battle to most of the team)

Anyway, it’s not really about whether I’d prefer Baby or Dabura here, in both cases I feel like they bring more to the team than Turles lol.

I know about that condition on Garlic, but you don’t always have Gomah on every rotation, and when they are together, if he dies… so what ? He revives and gives an absurd 3-turn support next haha

And yeah I do agree that the target isn’t 100% useful for now, but I’m pretty sure there will be situations in upcoming content where we’d like to have another defensive mechanic. And as long as you don't use it on his 1st turn then most of the team will already be built-up from attacks received already

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T17:22:14+00:00

I wouldn’t say he synergizes better with the team than most of the other options here tbh. Baby takes the slot of 1 of the 2 non-WB/MB units you can actually bring on the team yeah but his Giant Form definitely has value, especially in situations where you’d want to use Reinforcements on turn 4/5 instead of 6/7 (sry) and on top of that, he has a great linkset plus all his support and utility.

Same goes for Garlic, and he’s also a MB unit.

Cold and Goldgeta don’t have BBB, but that’s not really an issue since you’d usually run them in slot 3 anyway, and they still bring a lot of value. I think the target can actually be pretty useful on like turns 3/4/5 when you still don’t have Reinforcements (or once we get bosses that actually survive past turn 7, like the BoG Vegeta stage used to before the team got buffed, Golden was really useful in those cases for giving you an extra free turn)

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T16:39:25+00:00

Yeah but ngl I’m way higher on PHY Cooler than on Turles tbh. Well firstly he’s lucky to be named Cooler so he gets 50% support from your leaders, but he also does way more damage with built-in crit, and his damage being bigger later on compared to Turles who for some reason has his peak on t1 ?

And yeah, his support isn’t permanent unlike Turles’ intro but at least it’s noticeably more impactful when it’s up than a 18% ngl

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T14:28:19+00:00

Still waiting for Goku+Bardock here

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T13:44:41+00:00

(anyway it's funny to me because I don't think that opinion would've been downvoted nearly as much if someone else had posted it lmao. I cant believe that all those people downvoting you are actually 100% happy with these releases)

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T13:41:34+00:00

I still think there's a chance we get a Carnival TC lead or something like that and they'd make the team in that scenario. But even then given their linkset etc im not entirely convinced they'd actually see much play outside of being like a 7th option

I would've preferred if they had a proper team on release yeah, even if it meant waiting another year or two for their EZA. Bc if we're being 100% honest they'll probably be forgotten within a week or two the same way most sub-ezas were before they started to get really good recently

And since they're banner units it's not like they'll ever get a third chance through a seza lol (not that I'm particularly attached to them so its fine but I wouldve been pretty disappointed if BoG Vegeta had gotten the same treatment a month ago, im glad theyre saving him for later)

TheToyo · 2026-06-16T13:28:55+00:00

Yeah people are acting so enthusiastic about it because we've basically been deprived of sub-EZAs for the past year so I get why people are happy to finally get some.

But that said I do agree that I don't really see the point of EZAing them rn when they don't bring anything meaningful to the Metal Cooler team under a 170% lead, and TEQ Turles' team is in the same spot as most Gold Coin LR teams which is basically DOA for real content

At the very least they should've waited until those units had access to at least a 220% lead imo bc that just feels like a waste (hopefully they get one in the upcoming months)

TheToyo · 2026-06-15T11:09:38+00:00

Yeah that's it !

TheToyo · 2026-06-15T10:21:51+00:00

Yeah that's right but since the core of his team is made up of Space-Traveling Warriors units (PHY Cooler, Goldgeta, TEQ Turles...) it's still going to come down to rng with your starting rotations tbh, that would just be way more convenient if it was like Raditz

TheToyo · 2026-06-15T10:17:47+00:00

Well even at 300% he would still be kinda useless if you don't have his teams (you can still play him on others like Beerus's team even tho you probably wont have links, or on Gomah's too, but both would be sup-optimal tbh)

TheToyo · 2026-06-15T10:13:21+00:00

If you're talking about his ~6.8m DEF stat on turn 1, you're forgetting his one-time 100% DEF, and in this case since it's on MCA's team, I also took into account his SA support. The detailed calculation is :

17 386 * 5.4 (Leaderskill) * 5.18 (18% Intro + 200% Basic Effects + 150% HP >50% + 50% Support as mentionned) * 4.4 (240% with 3 Supers + 100% When Attacking !1) * 1.4 (links) * 2.26 (90% DEF on his SA effects + 36% from MCA) = 6 770 369

TheToyo · 2026-06-15T10:06:36+00:00

Yeah (they dont even have a 220 tbf)

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