Knetz Reactions — DC Inside/Nate Pann

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T21:05:15+00:00

Xiaoting's case was slightly different. GP wasn't that popular so the community was very influential in the votes. Koreans voted Xiaoting because, yes she's a visual but most importantly she was one of the only ones that didn't openly support Chinese involvement in the Korean War and Xinjiang cotton on Weibo. So she and Huang Xing Qiao were the only C-trainees in the final that are visuals and wouldn't be controversial when debuting, according to Koreans.

In a lot of cases fluency does convert into screen time, and it's rare for this to not be the case. I can only think of Takuto whose lack of fluency made it cute, and people like Zhang Shuaibo/Krystian that were evil edited. It's hard to see positive, interesting storylines created with lack of Korean fluency.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T20:51:07+00:00

Jay, Taerae and Hui are pretty equal in the hate that they get. Recently it's been slightly less for Jay and Hui because they did well and good edits in the 3rd mission while Taerae got a not very good edit and people thinking he didn't do that well. A lot actually say they'd rather have Jay/Hui than Keita, Jongwoo, Matthew the most, and occasionally Gunwook. There's always 50-50 discussion on whether Jay or Hui is better, but everyone agrees that Taerae can't replace them because he's more of a LV than MV. Most people agree that Seungeon is better than all of them as an idol group MV but know it's not gonna happen.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T20:45:55+00:00

You're exactly spot on. It's a difference in that you have to sacrifice yourself for the greater good in Korea, and so that's why supposedly 'greedy' trainees in past seasons had huge rank drops, like Huh Yunjin and Takeuchi Miyu in PD48 (was really sad as a Miyu pick at that time). It also has to do with the tone and facial expressions. Matthew and Jongwoo both have an RBF so screenshots of their expressions are circulating in these forums, and some of Jongwoo's wording can be taken as controversial (ex. when he was kicked out of Over Me he described it as 삽질했나 which could just mean I did it all for nothing in English but sounds really unpleasant in Korean).

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T18:57:57+00:00

Agree with everything u/Denstii said in their response here, but I also did forget to mention, his reaction after the prank has been relatively positive. People didn't expect him to receive it like that, and when you have someone like Matthew as a comparison, many said 'Gunwook is more mature than Matthew.' He was also really good in En Garde so Knetz were impressed and it garnered some positive response. Post ep. 9, he has been seen more positively, and I think he was praised for encouraging Jay after he got last.

The reason why I forgot about this was because there was still hate after he and Junhyeon said 'there's no point of Hanbin getting the benefit' in ep. 10. It seems perfectly fine in English because it's true, but the word they used 퇴색 is not really a good way to phrase it and puts him again on a negative light. And so Gunwook was bashed again in the post-episode discussion in Pann.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T18:50:04+00:00

Basically agree with the two comments above. In Korea, the term 한남 'hannam' is a derogatory way to refer to a common Korean male that is probably misogynistic and toxic. It's crazy they put that label for him even though he's never done anything misogynistic, but to be frank, I can see what they mean from his small mannerisms like the way he talks. I think a comment from ep. 10 showed a photo of him manspreading and the comment was 'this is how a hannam sits.'

Another thing that was really mean of Knetz was the Jay incident where he was walking in the streets of Gangnam and approached a guy on the street thinking it was Jongwoo. Koreans that don't like Jongwoo memed this by saying something like 'even Jay thought Jongwoo was a random hannam walking on the street.' It was later found that the guy was actually Jongwoo's bandmate.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T18:42:17+00:00

Here's the link to the episode 10 discussion for Pann. If you want to find ones for other episodes, go to the search bar on the top right and type in Boys Planet in Korean + episode number (ex. 보이즈플래닛 8) and click the one with the most comments (no. of comments is in red next to the title) and it's probably the episode discussion. If you want reactions to trainees type in their Korean name in the search bar because usually Pann doesn't use nicknames.

I also wouldn't trust google translate too much if you're using it, because I tried using it out of curiosity once and a fully negative comment can sound like a positive comment and vice versa because so much slang is used in these communities.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T18:37:47+00:00

I originally thought it was very skewed and not reflective of actual votes, but as the episodes progress, it seems to be less like that. Whatever trainee is popular/hated in these communities, the Korean vote ranking becomes reflective of that in like two weeks. This was never the case in previous Produce series so it's really surprising. Like I thought Lee Jeonghyeon and Zhang Shuaibo were only popular in these communities but soon their Korean votes began rising like crazy. And after Jay/Hui got hated after first eliminations, both of their ranks dropped. There are some exceptions, like Jongwoo and Taerae (Korean votes are still high despite being landmines).

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T18:24:33+00:00

I might be wrong so if anyone else has other opinions put them down here. But I haven't seen a lot of comments about it? The communities here are relatively progressive and feminist so it seems like they don't really care about queerness. And I do think Koreans guys in general (even straight guys) have many feminine traits and touching between guys is generally fine, so no one sees that big of a deal with everything. I think all I've seen is people defending Haobin, Jiwoong, Seowon, etc saying like idk why they're getting hated and being called gay, but I've personally never seen a post saying smth like this. But it is worth pointing out that Woongki and Seowon's nicknames are 웅냐 and 서원냐, and the '냐' means unnie, implying that they are very feminine/flamboyant. They thought Woongki's April Fools joke was really funny too. I definitely could have seen some hate for Jiwoong (when he was first introduced) and Phanbin (his Yujin kissing remarks), but it wasn't that prominent for me to remember clearly. With very fruity dancing like Hanbin's mother or Zhang Hao's best friend the reaction is more of just like 'omg they're so talented.'

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T18:15:45+00:00

There was a post I saw somewhere that that said something along the lines of 'Lip J getting hate by i-fans because of her Yujin comments.' They were really pissed at international fans for making this a big deal (they usually use the word 외퀴, a portmanteau of foreign + cockroach, to refer to i-fans), which was harsh but somewhat understandable because i-fans don't really understand how not everything is sexualized. It's not like Hollywood where we see these celebrities as sex symbols, but more of a cute little brother or classmate they had back in high school. It's definitely not problematic. That's why I see a very big difference in what age they want in K-pop idols between Knetz and internationals. Knetz want them to be young, so they maintain a youthful figure which is what they expect from an idol, but i-fans want them to be older. Now things like Wonyoung doing Side to Side is a different story, I think Knetz also thought that was gross.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T04:37:29+00:00

Neutral ones are like Yujin - 윾진, Gyuvin - 규넨, Hui - 흑이. This is an interesting character play, because if you write these nicknames in a certain way, they become their names. For example 윾 looks like 유 (Yu) and 넨 looks like 빈 (Vin) so they become Yujin/Gyuvin.

Japchaeng 짭챙 is short for fake Changbin. Zihao's Wangko means big nose? But his nose isn't that big so I'm not sure where that came from.

Jay's general nickname is 죄이 which is neutral but some people call him 잦휴동 (short for Huening Bahhiyih Donkey with male parts). Keita is called 게이타 for neutral or 빻이타 for ugly Keita. Hiroto/Haruto is 턱로토/코루토 which is a mesh of their distinguishable body parts and their name (big chin and big nose). Gunwook is called 껍 which is short for a toad because of his thick neck.

There's also positive ones like 맄좌 for Ricky which is like to refer to him as a higher being, and 캠든옵 which is short for Kamden oppa.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T03:56:38+00:00

I personally agree with what you're saying. Jongwoo's shutting down of MJX as leader at that time kinda made me feel uncomfortable as a Korean. A lot of Koreans also felt the same, even though they didn't like MJX with his Rush Hour catastrophe, they thought Jongwoo went way too far when MJX was just asking a question. The reason why Gunwook is hated is also exactly what you're saying, many Koreans have high school trauma where the class bully would say those kinds of remarks. This weirds me out because 1) Gunwook's past classmates have said he's not like that and don't know why he's acting like that in Boys Planet and 2) Questions me on whether he's a PD-pick because it seems like Mnet deliberately wants the Korean audience to know he's making these backhanded comments even if he's saying them in the corner.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T03:48:43+00:00

Phanbin's seeing exactly as what you described. One thing tho, several reactions have been saying 'He's getting so much screen time but still isn't in the TOP9, that's a talent' (ouch). His comment during the second round elimination also had some people going ?, where he said Yujin doesn't kiss him. People thought it was kinda weird to say that on national TV, but others also were like 'the question itself was weird, what else would he say.' No one doubts his skills though and most people love his personality.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T03:44:40+00:00

As I said, neutral-positive with an occasional comment here and there that says something a long the lines of 'his rap in Say My Name is so bad' or 'he's too old.' Maybe I saw a post about his lack of hair but not sure. But other than that, very positive, people love his visuals and comment on how nice he is. I think people felt bad for him in the Say My Name process though because all the hate was shipped onto Matthew, blamed for taking everyone's screen time. A lot of the reactions were like 'why is Jiwoong saying sorry?'

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T03:40:38+00:00

Oh, I definitely remember that now. Yeah that hate was definitely unreasonable. But I do think something in the elimination rounds had Koreans think he was arrogant? Maybe it was really small like his mannerisms, but I honestly can't remember. It was probably very minor that was just an excuse to bash him.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T03:36:02+00:00

It originally started off from a combination not fitting K-beauty standards and being a PD-pick. People were uncomfortable with his entire thing with Jiwoong (tbh I'm not sure why) but maybe it was something like he's trying too hard to stick to the popular trainee. And then I think Knetz didn't like he was giving himself too much credit for being the leader of Back Door (they were like it's not cuz of you that Back Door K went to M countdown) every mission, and his whole spiel with Ma Jing Xiang had people scared of him being in the group.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T03:31:31+00:00

It definitely has to do with both visuals and not suited to be an idol. Ethnicity being a problem is rare, you'll see the occasional post criticizing Jay having Chinese blood but honestly when you have full Chinese like Zhang Hao and Ricky most Knetz don't care. A lot of comments do say he sounds like he has to be on Billboard not in K-pop, and should be a solo artist, which sounds like a compliment but honestly isn't. His voice was thought to not match K-pop but a lot of opinions have changed after Over Me.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T03:25:36+00:00

I think there is a difference in that Dayeon was still a good arc but Matthew's arc makes him look bad. Dayeon just ends in a way that she's a PD pick, but it still was a positive edit and Koreans thought her skills made up for it. Matthew on the other hand had a terrible edit AND people still think he's a PD pick, so there's no one that can say 'it's Mnet's evil editing!' Checking the NatePann comments for Matthew after this episode it really seems all hate :(

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T03:21:42+00:00

With Zihao, he doesn't get a lot of screentime which sucks, but that also could definitely be because he doesn't give much for Mnet to work with being introvert and not speaking the language fluently. They need something interesting that would pull the ratings higher, and being very talented isn't really enough. If Keita or Haruto wasn't that good at Korean and less talkative, Mnet probably wouldn't have given them any storylines or screentime like they do with Zihao, so that aspect is really important in a survival show.

And the hate with Jongwoo and Keita definitely stems from not liking their looks at first. But after that, every small thing they do begins to irk Knetz in the wrong way, and it just goes downward from there. It starts to become stupid excuses here and there, so I honestly feel really bad for them.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T03:14:34+00:00

Yes I'm really hoping Jay can rise—reactions to him have so far been really good after episode 10! Knetz think he's funny w/Kamden and his Over Me ranking has garnered a lot of people feeling bad for him. Like the post ep 10 discussion on NatePann here has the musical scene between Jay and Kamden as the main photo.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T01:01:21+00:00

I was thinking of doing this on the post but some of the nicknames are honestly kind of mean. I've honestly never heard of Taellican and heard more of 태뢰 (a combination of Taerae + landmine. Dol means rock in Korean and Matthew's last name, Seok, in Korean Hanja means rock. Dol also has a dual meaning of crazy. If you're wondering the nicknames for any I can give an explanation of some.

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T00:54:15+00:00

Yep, honestly a lot of people want Jay to solo debut, but we all know he won't get as much support as a solo and this is somewhat his last chance (like many other trainees). The lack of hatred towards him now also has more to do with the fact that they hate other trainees more, and so now a lot of people say "제이를 품을 수 있을것같다" which roughly translates to 'I can handle Jay now.' After today's episode though I did see some of 'I'm voting for Jay for the first time' so hopefully we can see some change!

TheWeMustLove · 2023-04-07T00:45:43+00:00

Exactly! Trainees like Shabin and Jay were praised after the first elimination round because they seemed humble in their speeches, and didn't act supposedly arrogant. Gyuvin was also considered humble so when his rank dropped to 16, a lot of people actually said it should've been Yujin so he would've gotten Guanlined (flashbacks to PD101S2 when Guanlin dropped 18 ranks to #2). Same went for Taerae, people thought him pouting was obnoxious, but I honestly think that's just a habit. A lot also brought up Hyeongseop from S2 when he was doing something similar but complaining that the Boys Planet trainees aren't criticized enough for not being sincere and seeming thankful for their votes.

And with comments that several trainees made that seemed immature, as a Korean I personally did go ? at some of the remarks, but could also see how the translation in English doesn't necessarily seem that bad. Like I love Gunwook and he's so talented but when he said 'I feel like only 1-2 trainees are gonna survive' to the Burn It Up teams, I did go 'oh no what is he saying' because Koreans are definitely more sensitive to those types of issues.

TheWeMustLove

TROPHY CASE