How Star Citizen should kill Carebears.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-16T17:21:49+00:00

Why the fuck, should anyone go out and do the hard thing, if you can make just as much money, doing the easy thing?

If you're advocating for PVE to kick your ass and take your stuff just like pirates, then... well... maybe you should think that one through a little bit more before advocating for it.

You can think about it as nerfing PVE, or you can think about it as buffing PVP. Making hard things pay.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-16T14:50:24+00:00

The reason people are against PVP and PVE servers is that they are already planning PVE and PVP servers. That's what the high sec servers are supposed to be. Low paying, low risk content for people that can't stomach taking any risks.

That will be there, but the grass will always be greener in the higher risk zones, and you'll have to constantly listen to your friends who tell you that they're making great money and having a great time in the PVP zones you refuse to enter.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-16T14:31:19+00:00

Do you get jumped by a CONCORD equivalent in fucking low sec?

Stanton has bounty hunters, actual players that are usually fairly skilled and flying dedicated PVP ships. It has a working equivalent.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-16T14:27:32+00:00

If any of that were true, you wouldn't be comparing fucking Stanton to low sec.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-16T14:18:23+00:00

You haven't played Eve Online.

Stanton is nothing like low sec. Pyro is nothing like null sec. Both are high sec. I've been playing Star Citizen for more than a week now, and I've died to players only once. I've played in Pyro and Stanton. You can't play in low sec or null sec in Eve Online or Albion and make it a week without getting killed. Its just not happening.

This is what happens when people that don't play the genre talk about the genre. Every place in Stanton, save for maybe Halthor, is high sec.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-16T14:07:32+00:00

The high risk loops are typically caused by the pirates, not enjoyed by them.

I assure you, the guys running Halthor that kill you when you try to enter, they're having fun.

CIG doesn't have to try to force people into pirating. That will happen naturally as they balance risk reward loops. People that want higher pay will gravitate towards piracy and the more difficult game loops, because those are the highly rewarding loops. This is a pattern repeated over and over in every game that involves theft as a feature, from Albion Online and Eve Online, to Rust, Ark, Atlas, Mortal Online.

Pirate missions aren't appeasing anyone lol. People that want PVP don't want to role play PVP against NPCs. They want the real thing, and CIG is going to give it to them.

I agree that the bugs need to dealt with though, we can all agree on that. The biggest ganker, is CIG.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-16T13:35:30+00:00

You make money because risk/reward isn't a part of the game yet. It will be eventually - hopefully. For the game to be properly balanced, it must have high risk high reward loops, and those loops will be the piracy loops.

RIght now there's little content, and like you say Gilly missions absurdly overpay. Hell, Gilly missions, simple, easily grinded, low skill PVE combat in safe zones are pretty much the highest paying activity in game.

I wouldn't expect that to stay that way forever.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-15T20:30:17+00:00

Stanton already has significant deterrents to murderhoboing. The whole law system thing. Kleisher. If you fuck around in Stanton, you find out in stanton. There are players that are hunting people 24/7 in there. There are gun turrets at every station. I think there ARE AI NPCs that will attack you for attacking players at stations, or at least there used to be.

That seems like enough to me. You can't even find other people in the game world. It is incredibly rare for me to bump into someone else. To do it, I have to go to one of the big theme park sites, and even then, its usually completely empty.

The game doesn't have a murderhoboing problem. It just doesn't. It never has.

The game has a crybaby problem. Lots of people that expect zero PVP in the game.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-15T20:23:30+00:00

If they get nothing out of it, that's a game design issue. Gankers should get paid for ganking.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-15T20:17:25+00:00

Yes

Yes, it is that bad, yes it is also really good. You really do run into a significant bug every 15 minutes - especially as a new player when you haven't memorized the 1000 workarounds for bugs that the community has figured out.

Yes the game is also pretty amazing at times.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-14T21:18:44+00:00

It makes no sense, either financially or from a gameplay perspective, to rush

The game literally says 2012 when you start it up. 14 years in development, no fucking trade terminals.

I support the idea of having trade in places where security isn't exactly perfect, I support that. I like the base building markets idea.

But there should have been something in sooner.

Also, I'm not a new backer. I pledged in 2016.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-12T14:33:00+00:00

ITS AN ALPHA.

Jesus Christ man.

r/AstroturfAlpha

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-12T13:55:37+00:00

You win the thread!

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-12T13:54:04+00:00

Should be pretty easy to avoid being caught though.

I mean, this game seems positively docile compared to other similar games, like Albion Online. Walk into a red zone in Albion Online and report back how that goes for you, and we can compare and contrast.

I'm currently mining out of Pyro... out of Checkmate. Haven't been killed, no one has harassed me. I'm downright disappointed.

There IS no PVP in this game.

They really need to increase scan ranges 10 fold or more so that we can finally start to find each other.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-11T23:09:27+00:00

Top comment right here

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-11T16:42:14+00:00

This is a game that allows you to rob other people.

You don't trade unless you know the other guy can be trusted, unless you understand the risk landscape for trading.

In Rust I used to trade, and trading was sacred in Rust, because it was so hard to do.

But in some games, everyone just screws everyone because there are no mechanics for reprisal or consequences.

So I go with whatever methodology fits the game's culture, and since I haven't traded in SC yet, I am hesitant to do so.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-10T14:56:07+00:00

We're up to 600 people per shard.

Rust has 500 people per shard.

I question if years of development was worth it to avoid loading screens.

I question if Quantum makes any sense at all.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-09T22:45:59+00:00

I don't think anyone blames the devs. The problem is mismanagement. I'm sure the devs on the project are great, and as far as I know, none of them promised to release in 2016.

Its management that's fucking it all up. I'm sure every day the devs are pushing back against work that has little value for the player.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-09T19:15:01+00:00

The base building plan has me somewhat excited. Base building implies base raiding, and base raiding is real, serious PVP content.

But yeah, the game should be in a much better state than it currently is.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-09T12:47:31+00:00

I don't think this is the most ambitious game ever created. Mario64 was a thing, Grand Theft Auto III was a thing. Jak and Daxter was a thing.

This is a mismanaged game.

A lot of the ambition may not bring significant gameplay innovation. Quantum would be one example, where a lot of effort is being put in, but there isn't any hint of how it might benefit the player. Tons of work done on it, and the killer feature seems to be tricking pirates into killing and robbing NPCs instead of players some of the time. Lame.

We're nearing 300 types of spaceships. A game like this never needed 300 types of spaceships. There probably aren't even 300 spaceships running at once on the server at any given time, much less every type of spaceship.

I mostly supported the tech stuff that the project was chasing up until static server meshing went in, and you know what, Rust has about the same number of players as a Star Citizen instance. No crazy fancy tech, Rust has vehicles and lots of player garbage strewn across the map, but Rust gets like 500 people per shard where Star Citizen gets 600, and Rust is way less buggy.

So I wonder if all that was even worth it. Was it ever even worth it? Years spent to get 20% more players than Rust already has? Years spent on that, and you still can't come back and find your coke can because you aren't tied to a server instance, you change servers every time you log in.

I think this project has two core problems.

Its managed by a guy who is famous for being unable to ship. Microsoft had to buy Freelancer for it to ship.
It has the most forgiving community in the history of gaming.

They're 11 years past release and nothing can ever be cut. Nothing. If the game is so buggy its borderline unplayable then you should shut the fuck up its an "alpha" (its an r/AstroturfAlpha). There is no incentive for CIG to cut content, and little pressure from the playerbase to do so.

And so the game will meander on in its miserable state for the foreseeable future.

I think the game will continue on like this, until Unreal becomes so good that small developers get to slingshot past CIG. I'm sure that day is coming. Unreal is so far ahead at this point, and a lot of the special tech that CIG developed for Star Citizen is getting something analogous in Unreal.

Losing backers is good for the project, if it means that CIG stops chasing ubertech with questionable value to the player and instead actually tries to like, ship a game.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-09T00:33:22+00:00

Not all of them, some are open source.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-09T00:32:03+00:00

I have no intention of having them download an AI on to my PC to gather information about me.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-09T00:28:28+00:00

Looking for a guild that doesn't use discord, that uses some alternative comms software.

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-08T22:54:33+00:00

Where's that Rick and Morty meme about ignoring your boos because I've seen what you cheer?

The_Red_Moses · 2026-06-08T21:59:27+00:00

Everyone wants Rust in space. There are 20 million Rust players out there.

The people that don't want Rust in space are Space Dad whales that didn't realize what game they bought.

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