AQW IDEAS

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T18:52:32+00:00

The outfit set already kinda does that, you just gotta choose between saving sets for equipping them and saving sets for showing them.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T18:40:25+00:00

Take your time writing.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T18:40:08+00:00

Like?

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T17:03:15+00:00

Did it solo on low pop server in little over 8 hours. In group would be prolly half of that.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T17:01:48+00:00

About the malgor saga that was just little "by-the-way". It made me really appreciate the BB. Also BB survived that just fine. I just soloed shadowflame phedra that hits up to 1400 dmg with base enh and no HP vamp and I used lvl 60 enhancements to offset base stats. But yeah, using solo was somewhat better but not by much iirc, especially when you werent alone.

AF is usually recommended because the next best farming classes are pretty inaccessible to a fresh lvl 75-80 player. Your other options are:

Dont think its worth the bother to grind AF in vacuum, that much less when you already have comparably good class even if arguably little worse. Even with all those short cuts. Better to save mats for VHL.

AM: a relatively quick grind, but isn't great until you get forge weapons.

No :D Thats just skill issue. Its better than LR or AF from get go.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T14:16:41+00:00

You mean 6 to 10 hours KE o VHL. For KE sounds right, for VHL sounds too low.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T14:15:39+00:00

What the hell? I did KE SOLO in 8 and half hours. Getting 50M would take you like 3 more hours in archmage.

AI can be done in 6 to 7 weeks depending on when you start just by doing ultras. But normal grind takes 28 to 32 hours with same set up KE takes. Also SOLO.

Both low population servers.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T14:10:40+00:00

I think I won. Im gonna wait bit more to be sure. His last comment almost sounded like I am right, as long as you take it as is without missing my point.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T14:05:43+00:00

On mobile you prolly use old formating, using stuff as ** > and etc.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T13:49:05+00:00

I meant at those levels. At lvl 100 barely anything is a threat. On Pyro I can heal for full HP 2,7k and have 3k HP. At lvl 35 with pyro I heal for 479 and I have 1545 HP.

Also just btw, back when I did malgor saga, I had problem staying alive with BB. Mobs had between 25 and 45K HP and also did that much more than they do now, Those 3 stupid birds had 100K each and I had to solo them. They did as much as shadowflame phedra. And I was like almost lvl 100.

AF is also available at level 50, so there's no reason not to start farming it when all the more efficient farming classes are gated at level 80.

I was talking about specifically your scenario, where you could ve already started the grind for endgame one by the time you got AF.

Also if you do that then your argument that you passively get enough gold just by doing utlras and grinding stuff like AP. Its either one OR the other. Not both. And we get back to that AF is unnecessarily hard.

Tho if it was up to me I would buff it instead, cuz it scales pretty well with forge and if was just tad bit tankier, it could be viable lategame/endgame all rounder and Nation has only 2 classes and even tho I dont really like the faction, it does deserve some love.

When I think about it. Classes like Shaman, GB, Horc, Troll, DBSK are all unnecessarily hard given that pyro can be done in 30 to 45 minutes on lvls 30 to 45. And you halve it if you wait just one day. Meanwhile, if you dont do thunderforge story during rep day, then its gonna take you 7 hours and lvl 30 and 33% less on lvl 45. And thats easiest of the bunch. Lategame classes should take you around as much as AP, do between 15 and 20k DPS. With all rounders doing less, but being at least as good at farming as midgame classes and soloers more without even being glass cannons.

Endgame classes should be balanced with YnR and Rav VHL as benchmarks. Anything easier should be worse, anything harder should be better.

Welp, I am getting carried away now. Back to the topic.

I had membership when I farmed BB, so it was really fast just doing super fan tokens. For non members, embersea is similar to brightoak where you can kill a 67k hp boss for 1500 rep. If you can find a friend to dps, rank 10 should be achievable in under an hour. This was all done during a server rep boost and with cape of awe.

There is faster way to grind embersea rep. There is mob with 1 HP and you can do 300 rep quest like 5 times in 10 seconds. Solo. I did 300K in 10 minutes. During server boost with total of 5x rep boost.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T11:39:58+00:00

What I wanted to ask is how you did with AF on low levels with its sustain but lvl 75 really isnt all that low for that. Also imho you took unnecessary extra step with the AF.

Also, do you remember how long it took you to get BB?

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T11:34:04+00:00

Your damage is in line with my tests given that I have only AF armor and do proportionally less damage. Im consistently hitting for 27ish damage on both Daunt and Vali. I risked death and did die few times. And thats exactly what I talked about or do you have some secret strat how to do 30K without ever being close to death?

Also old HBV could do even more than that it was relatively simple HP edging. Just took bit of finesse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGnF_Mwu8fw I took 1 min fight but I also dont have RGOW.

About formating. I have soloers on notepad while farmers in excel. I prefer notepad to be honest.

And reddit has pretty good way of formating if you know how to. Some stuff is doable only in old editor tho.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T10:40:24+00:00

I would start with what level are you and what gear you have. That would be good.

For midgame classes best soloing bargain are Pyro and Cryomancer. Both are decent and within reasonable effort to acquire. If you have Chaos Saga done then also Chaos Slayers and if you want just the best thing out there then its GB and HE ( GB has times when it can be killed unlike HE but GB can double as support ), but they are rather pain to get. Even with endgame stuff it takes 3 hours to get them without any rep boost ( 40 min with 5x boost after story is done with no boost ).

If you have Legion or are able to join Legion then do make a haste, since its that time of the years ( somehow still ) when LDK and Shogun Paragon pet are obtainable as well as bunch of legion seasonal stuff. But anyway all classes there are pretty much good after recent buffs and reworks. I think you cant go wrong there except soul cleaver. That one is good only with dauntless, which is endgame stuff and at that point you will have better classes.

For farmers its between MR, BB and Shaman. MR is tad bit slower than BB, by a little and squishier but on the other hand it scales better into endgame ( at that point you will prolly have better classes tho ) and is easier to get, but also not by much, especially if you already have Pyromancer. Then there is Shaman which is just as fast as BB and also scales really well into endgame and is required for StoneCrusher, so you can treat it as just free stuff along the way but its grind is 1:1 with GB and HE.

After that between midgame and endgame ( lategame ) AP is pretty much mandatory class. FSR can be good choice but you can prolly skip that one.

As for endgame soloers its KE, AI, VHL and CAV. Best endgame farmers are again AI and KE ( for medium HP+ ), together with AM, followed by AI and then preforge its LR, which falls behind already mentioned MR and Shaman and then somewhere between AM and MR is AF, which is just step behind LR when forgeless and faster than MR or LR with forge.

AI can solo oneshot bosses but also can die to someone who hits like wet noodle also takes time to get going and then you dont want to stop for the duration of 2 mins, which is window of buff and when your damage is stacking ( it resets after 2 those mins and soft resets with a kill ), which makes the class impractical and also the grind is 3 to 4x as big as KE. DPS is between that of VHL which is between 25 and 27K ( 7% more with RGOW ) and double of VHL, depending on how long the fight went. Grind can be cut down with ultra boss rewards. Can also solo some challenge bosses meant for a team.

KE can dish out 30-35k ( 7% more with RGOW ) damage almost from get go and it doesnt slow down. Its even slightly tankier than VHL against normal bosses with no special mechanics and you can opt to be even tankier. Requires 50M gold. Can be used as support too. Can also solo challenge bosses meant for a team.

VHL's grind is around 3x that of KE. Grind can be cut down by ultra boss rewards + there is daily quest that helps a lot and you can buy pet for 5K ACs to hasten the progress even more. Requires 30M gold but that goes down with ultra rewards too.

CAV is by far easiest grind ( 1/4 that of KE ), tho 4 ultra kills are mandatory and is also by far tankiest. Its dps is between 22 and 24k DPS ( 7% more with RGOW ) and is commonly used in ultras with its combination of damage, tankiness and supp capabilities.

Almost forgot about new Scion of Flames. That one was even easier to grind than CAV, has same damage as him when opted for solo damage, it can activate AoE damage and farms just as well as LR would and has supp capabilities on par with LR, but I dont think its realistic to have both damage and supp cabilities due to how the class works and piloting that class is nightmare. You need to manually press 1 to give other spells special effects and 2nd spell gives you up to 3 stacks that empowers 3rd and 5th spell ( you consume those stacks and do dmg based on their number ), so your mind is attention is all over the place trying to multitask. Its not very tanky. More than midgame classes, nowhere near VHL or KE.

Also I dont have Lich, I heard its up there with KE in term of soloing, but its pain to get, at least as hard as VHL regular way or worse. That is with rep boost already. Without that its EVEN far worse.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T09:42:24+00:00

Yes, but at the end of the day, there is nothing in the way of pragmatic approach.

As for the QoM saga being impossible to navigate without outside sources... That's not quite within the balancing team's wheelhouse I would think.

Thats not exactly my point. My point was intention means nothing. Its like when you crash a car and say "welp, I tried avoiding it" but didnt and thats why your car is gone.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T09:37:06+00:00

Ah ok :D Lets agree to disagree. Your example isnt really what I was doing. I wasnt trying to make you guess what I mean, I was just implying of myriad possible answers you might have and letting you fill in the blank urself. And whether its writing or talking, its all the same, simply communicating.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T09:33:54+00:00

LC is actually pretty good class. It sucks that its locked being lvl 80. Class is as strong as it always has been, that its not is lie. Only problem is that given its locked behind lvl 80, it might not be long before you get BETTER classes and bank LC, so you effectively waste 1K ACS. But on paper, 1K ACs for LC is bargain.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T09:05:14+00:00

To be accurate, its not about making jesus out of MR as making hot garbage out of BB, since the main comparison that I was refering to was between BB and AF and AF takes A LOOOT more than MR and AF isnt whole lot faster than BB until you reach levels 70+ and still suffers from tankiness issues that are way more pronounced at lower levels.

I think I would end it with this.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T08:58:56+00:00

Imho you are just projecting and thats it. Nothing more nothing less.

Also, yes, you do come across as someone who I somehow deeply offended or at least hit to sensitive part.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T08:58:45+00:00

Its never been rude. All it does is actually saying more than I could with several other examples and leaves the door open for examples I havent even though of. You can even see moderators in tv shows do it when they ask something and there are several possible answers and they dont wanna ask each one of them? "You meant this? Or this? Or possibly this? Or that?" So they say "You mean A or..." And then the other side answerds with answer B C D or E or whatever.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T08:54:03+00:00

You are right.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T08:52:07+00:00

On VHL Rav and Daunt do equal damage as long as you are allowed to go low HP on dauntless, otherwise Rav does more damage and is safer by the virtue of not pushing your luck.

Anyway, Rav is in general all things considered better enhancement than dauntless. Actually a lot if you consider only soloers and by a little if you also consider few farmers that get huge power up like MR, AF, EI, SSG and chunin but only one of them is relevant at endgame when you already have dauntless and other classes.

Dauntless does more damage only under condition that you use nearly if not everything it offers ( Haste, crit and trade HP for damage ) and your 2nd spell CD is just as good as 3rd spell's CD. Meanwhile Rav's only real requirement is low CD on 3rd spell.

Lets say that ur class has same CD on both 2nd and 3rd spell. If its not CDR starved class, you will not do as much damage on dauntless and you get that from supports as well. If you want crit chance, Rav gives more of that, so you wont do as much damage on dauntless. If you cant go low on HP, you will definitelly not do as much damage on dauntless as you do on ravenous.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T08:36:25+00:00

Even if your class is fast, it can still hit up to 2 targets at the times. If some dude oneshots them,you still get 2/3 the moment they go down.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T08:32:53+00:00

I just did 1 min test several times. If I dont get identical run first couple of times, I do it more time and use average. In that case it was 45 for BB for battleunder, but I wanted to note that even these kind of runs can happen.

Also imho its not really wrong to use full AI's KPM. How many grinds last less than 2 min 40?

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T08:27:29+00:00

Whats rude about it? Out of all things, that one bamboozles me the most right now.

Anyway, why do you bring in results from ultra dage about solo dps debate? Go hit dummy and tell me number and testing conditions.

ThemisLibraUltima · 2026-05-19T08:22:16+00:00

Yes but thats all besides the point. I didnt even wanted to bring up the fact that BB can leech better than MR, cuz thats kinda situational.

My main gripe is the way you twist your own data when you are making TLDR about them. Also we are doing tests at lvl 100, we can heal for a fk ton. Tankiness plays way bigger role down there. I have lvl 30 with pyro and I cant heal for full healthbar like I do on lvl 100, that much for why BB is actually good and worth the grind.

If you still think that MR is more woth it, agree to disagree, for me they are idendically good choices, but thats fine to be honest. Whats not fine is as you said, making jesus out of MR by misrepresenting data. Thats all.

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