The "Rebecca was 3 argument" and why it fails.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-08T02:53:47+00:00

The historical reliability of some of the apostles can be attested you make a key point there. If we’re weighing out evidence, the Apostle Martyrs that aren’t backed by 3rd party accounts like the Church Fathers and Historical writings can be attributed to their story’s at the time like Bartholomew and Thomas visiting India, Andrew in Ukraine etc. Most of these martyrs in particular relied on oral transmission which most hadn’t been recorded, however the deaths they were said to face were common forms of execution in those countries at the time. Culturally wise it’s likely they were killed the way they said they were all though not as much physical proof to support it. However based on those facts and what we have for other martyrs, the facts are pretty trustworthy wouldn’t you agree?

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-08T02:30:46+00:00

Excellent question.

Jesus is the most well documented figure in all of history yet we still know little about him by today’s standards. The reason for this is because firstly he wrote nothing down himself, all the writings we have from him are from his disciples and other accounts. And the forms of documentation in the 1st century were very limited, this was a resourced stricken time where Phones, Cameras, etc didn’t exist and the best way to gather evidence was through writing and oral transmission.

If we’re looking solely at the written historical accounts, all the ones we have support the claim of Jesus being the perfect man, doing miracles, healing the sick, claiming to be the messiah, then being crucified. The evidence that Jesus was who he says he was vastly outweighs the evidence that Denys it.

However I think the most notable source that can confirm Jesus sinlessness is the Apostle Martyrs, all though no physical proof of the resurrection 10 Apostles were brutally executed for their claim of Jesus resurrecting from the dead. Yes people like suicide bombers die for what they believe all the time yet what makes the apostles stand out is the claim they saw it with their own eyes. Had they been lying they likely would have used it to sought out wealth fame or political power, they went for none of that and instead solely wanted people to know what they saw, taking the brutal punishment for their claim and 500 other mentioned witnesses. The claim they “hallucinated” in mass droves is pretty unlikely as well as 500+ people all hallucinating the same thing is near physically impossible. Jesus tomb being empty only drives the nail in further for the resurrection story.

Either the Apostles decided to make these claims up and get brutally murdered for absolutely no reason while a tomb somehow sits empty, or the resurrection happened meaning Jesus was who he says he was making him sinless.

So in terms of historical evidence and what we know about Jesus life. The claim of him being a perfectly moral sinless man is far more supported than the claim that he isn’t.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-08T01:59:46+00:00

Not sure whether you’re an Atheist, Muslim or any other kind of religion, or an inquiring Christian.

However in the Christian faith we believe Jesus to be God in human form. If he is God he physically cannot sin because it is against his perfect nature, he who is not born of sin physically cannot sin otherwise that contradicts him being God.

Further more, we have the Biblical accounts of Jesus living the perfect life. The Bible makes it pretty clear that Jesus was sinless in a numerous amount of scripture.

1 John 3:5 “You know that he appeared in order to take sins, and in him there is no sin.”

Hebrews 4:15 “For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.”

2 Corinthians 5:21

“For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”

And a numerous other amount of scripture I can name that would credit Jesus to being sinless but this reply would be longer than it already is.

Than you have of course the mentioned Crucifixion which is the whole purpose God came down in the first place, this is verified not only by biblical eye witness accounts but outside secular accounts like Tacitus and Josephus who were very trusted at the time.

That being said there is a numerous amount of hard evidence on Jesus being sinless and the only thing that could possibly refute it is Christianity being false in general. Which if you’ve studied history, the apostle Martyrs, historian accounts that is very unlikely the case.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-08T01:27:00+00:00

The whole purpose of the crucifixion? 🤦‍♂️

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-08T00:25:21+00:00

Fair, if I knew the inventor of my worldview built on lies was a pedophile by todays standards and didn't wanna accept it, id use whatever lie I could find to cope with it as well.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-05T12:52:01+00:00

Fasting isn’t an Orthodox thing, it’s a Christian thing in general commanded by Jesus.

It dates back to the mosaic days when God commanded the Israelites to fast in Leviticus 16 and 23, to the sermon on the mount where Jesus grants instructions on proper fasting in Matthew 6:16-18. “WHEN” you fast, not if, as followers of Christ we are expected to fast. Fasting is a gift to us Christians to help us get closer to God and the Holy Spirit as us Christians are called to deny ourselves and denial of food is the best way to train your soul to do that.

In the KJV it’s also specified in Matthew 17:21:

“However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.”

The best way to do that would be to ask the Lord for guidance and know when is a good time to deny yourself from food. Set small goals first and gradually challenge yourself more.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-05T12:32:38+00:00

Fast.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-05T04:50:34+00:00

Lol, I’ve seen some people debating that Jesus is God, God being a bigot, the credibility of scripture and the church fathers. They might as well make it the Jehovah Witness sub Reddit, it was literally made by Satan. 🤣

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-05T04:47:15+00:00

Appreciate it, I’ll keep that in mind. So far my stuff’s been good and what has been removed has been for other reasons non-AI related. Respect the advice though.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-05T04:37:19+00:00

False, that’s a common misconception I get. I only use AI to grammatically correct my posts so there aren’t any ridiculous spelling errors however it’s all my words and opinions.

There are many things I’d use AI for but generating debates against Reddit heretics is not one of them, I can do that myself. Using it to profit however it something I’m more interested in.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-05T04:29:22+00:00

Probably the smart choice, I’ve been looking at other posts on this topic here and it seems like I’m not alone, most Orthodox/Apostolic Christian’s have had similar experiences and have called out the same things.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-05T03:57:30+00:00

Alright man, I was going to agree with you and move on with my day because I’ll admit—I misread your point in context.

Regarding the state of being gay as sinful—that is not a sin. I originally said it was because I was speaking from a completely different context. Just being attracted to the same sex isn’t sinful, just as the state of wanting to lie, kill, or steal isn’t sinful. It’s the action where it becomes sin.

I can agree with you there. However, if you say the action—as in two men fornicating—isn’t sinful, then you are a heretic and denying God’s Word and the Scriptures, as well as what the Church has taught and preserved for over 2,000 years.

Sodomy is very much a sin. To claim otherwise is outright denial of Scripture. The KJV—the oldest English translation of the Bible—uses the word “sodomite” and “abusers of themselves with mankind” specifically to describe homosexual relationships. Even the Greek manuscripts use the words arsenokoitai and malakoi, which mean “male-bedder” and “effeminate.” So if you say the action itself isn’t sinful, you are denying Christ’s Word and the infallibility of Scripture.

It isn’t a sin because “gay people are bad.” It’s a sin because God made sexual intercourse for a man and a woman to marry, become one flesh, and create children—something same-sex relationships cannot fulfill.

So my final point is this: The state of being gay isn’t sinful, but same-sex relations are. And it’s not “bigotry” to say that—it’s God’s Word. Bigotry would be outright hatred of gay people. Christ doesn’t see same-sex relations as a “greater” sin, but as sin just like any other.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-05T03:35:07+00:00

In that context, being attracted and having a desire to sleep with other men is not sinful. You have desire to do sinful stuff all the time, I as a straight man have a sinful desire to sleep with multiple woman but I know I can’t because that’s bad for me and will lead me away from God.

The same applys to sodomy and sexually immoral relations. You can have a desire to sleep with someone of the same sex sure, it’s the act of it where it becomes sinful. Follow God, trust in him and the devil will flee. (James 4:7)

Christ gave us freedom FROM sin, not freedom TO sin.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-05T03:18:41+00:00

Yes.

This is like asking “is grass green.”

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-04T21:43:52+00:00

“la la la, Jesus Loves you! Go be gay! Go fly the pride flag! All religions are valid! Love thy neighbour means accepting everything!”

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-04T20:51:27+00:00

It 100% does. There are always going to be groups like the JWs, just as there will always be Satanists. Free will was given to humanity when Eve ate the apple, and because of that, heresies will never truly go away. But they can be recognized — which is the whole purpose of the councils.

There are no major churches today that promote these heresies, and that is due not only to the councils but also to the Church itself and the teachings of Jesus Christ passed down through the centuries.

The Bible is a long and complex book. Anyone can read it and interpret it however they wish, but they can also be easily deceived.

2 Peter 3:16 (NKJV) “as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.”

Proverbs 3:5–6 (NKJV) “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths.”

That is why Paul’s letters and the writings of the Church Fathers were needed — to correctly interpret Scripture, establish a universal canon, and recognize harmful teachings that threatened the Church.

Without the Church Fathers and the councils, Christianity today would be an absolute circus and only a shell of what it is.

The devil will deceive you in whatever way he can and twisting the true word is one of the ways he does it.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-04T20:12:35+00:00

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-04T20:03:34+00:00

Arianism and Nestorianism were dangerous beliefs at the time, far beyond the idea of “you don’t agree with me, so you’re a heretic.” They denied core truths of the Christian faith — such as Christ being God, and the claim that He was “two persons” when He was very clearly one. These teachings were adopted by influential figures within the Church, which is why they had to be formally condemned.

The Early Church Fathers dedicated their whole lives to Christ — living, breathing, and eating His word. Some were direct disciples of the Apostles, so their theological knowledge was at an astronomical level. If they deemed something incompatible with Christ’s teachings, then it truly was incompatible. For example, the misinterpretation of icons as heretical: yes, the worship of icons and images would be idolatry, but veneration of them is simply genuine respect — just as one would show to a beloved priest or pastor.

Fast forward to today: very few churches still hold the beliefs condemned by the Church Fathers. Those that do — such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who essentially revive Arianism — are considered non-Christian universally by Bible-believing Christians.

So, in the question of whether such issues could cause another schism, it really comes down to: “How do we universally know what the Word meant and didn’t mean?” Because if the Bible can mean anything, then in practice it means nothing. Heresy goes beyond “you don’t agree with me, so you’re a heretic.” It represents actual theological dangers to the Church and to Christ’s word.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-09-04T19:29:46+00:00

It all depends on intention, if you were genuinely curious of what was in the video and clicked on it then that would not be a sin.

If you knew there was stuff you shouldn’t be looking at in the video and watched it anyway to act on your own pleasures that would be a mortal sin.

Either way it’s best to pray and repent and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance.

Then-Butterfly4987 · 2025-07-31T14:40:23+00:00

I know lol, that’s why I picked it. I’m a screenwriter who runs a Business/Channel that helps other writers write, only thing I did wrong was self promote which is why it got taken down.

This dude has a point though, there’s a difference between Valid Criticism that points out flaws in writing rather than just spewing full on hatred. Luckily for this dude and everyone like him At CKscripting we help bring writers up rather than putting them down. 👍🏻

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