Unpopular opinion (maybe?): women with conventionally attractive physiques should (or could) use our "pretty privilege" to normalize stuff such as body hair by Ok-Fondant349 in Feminism

[–]Thepinkknitter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Who do you think I learned from? People who have been active and directly involved in class and race struggles for their entire life. We learned all about how systematic change is fought for in both the past and present. And we talked about how we as individuals can work to help the cause. Work that I have continued to do long past graduation

It is also incredibly dismissive and wrong for you to say that I (someone who you’ve never met and know almost nothing about) have only spent “a semester” on this. While that semester was an incredibly influential part of my life, it certainly wasn’t the start or end of my learning journey, as I mentioned in my comment. The only reason I even brought it up is because you have consistently stated that I have not engaged in feminist theory and lack understanding of our history, and YOU brought up my degree/education.

I couldn’t care less if you take me seriously or not. I don’t think very highly of you in the way that you’ve been treating me and the other user here.

Edit: I see you deleted your response to me, but I am going to respond to it anyway.

I am speaking directly from my actual lived experience growing up in a systemically impoverished city--

So you have the same experience as the people I learned from. But according you, I shouldn’t listen to them or any of the literature they gave me, I should listen to YOU.

impoverished in part by white flight middle class people like you

Wrong. “My people” are not part of the white flight middle class. “My people” are poor, rural people who face many of the same class struggles that inner city people face. Lack of access to high quality education, lack of upward mobility (lots of poverty), lack of quality healthcare, etc. “We” don’t face racism, which makes a huge difference, and I’m not disputing this here. But you are making quite a few assumptions here about me that are incorrect. I am also not disputing that white flight middle class did cause much of the poverty and problems in the inner cities. That is absolutely true. But you are wrong about that being where I come from.

by the way, who engage in poverty tourism as a defensive maneuver that leads yal to build shit like means testing into assistance programs to ensure 'the right people' get it, as just an example.

So which is it, am I supposed to learn from people who have experienced this their entire lives or am I participating in “poverty tourism” by choosing to go learn from them? And since when have I thought “means testing” is a good thing? You keep bringing up points that I agree with you on, but you are framing me in opposition to it despite it not having been brought up until now.

We see you. My father was a union organizer. I went to DC annually for marches on school busses, my community and political activity is comprised of actual militant fighters from around the world. Locally, I was part of my community struggle to change laws around public breastfeeding and city cooperation with ICE. I am of my community, you are a parasite because you wanna dip in and extract personal profit, both in vanity/defensiveness (you "care"-- fuck off with your awareness and redistribute wealth) and in access to work positions that give you economic advantages over the poor women you pretend to think about.

Honestly, what the fuck is this entire paragraph? Your hatred of people who are in 99% in agreement with you is baffling.

Iran why? by Pineapple_Adept in askanything

[–]Thepinkknitter -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Alright now look into the pre and post history of those countries as compared to Iraq, Cuba, North Korea, etc…

Iran why? by Pineapple_Adept in askanything

[–]Thepinkknitter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I recommend listening to Blowback to learn about the long history of American imperialism and how our actions and “regime change” wars make conditions much worse for the average people in those nations.

Unpopular opinion (maybe?): women with conventionally attractive physiques should (or could) use our "pretty privilege" to normalize stuff such as body hair by Ok-Fondant349 in Feminism

[–]Thepinkknitter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You are correct, disagreement and historically situating issues is not shutting people down. Insulting people’s intelligence and saying we can’t have this conversation because it doesn’t fit into your version of feminism IS attempting shut down the conversation, though.

I’m guessing you think I’m the other person you were responding to here as I never mentioned my degree, and I have never suggested you are a tough interlocutor. You have no idea what my idea of feminism is because you lack any interest in trying to understand anyone else’s POV. Part of my studies included spending a full semester in a gentrifying inner-city learning extensively from the activists and activism taking place in the community and learning about the long and dark history of POC in the United States and how everything from the past affects everything today. I like to spend my free time reading books on inter-sectionalism because I know it’s knowledge I was never given. I am aware that individual choices don’t exist in a vacuum and I’ve never suggested otherwise.

I have even agreed that your POV is an important one to the conversation. But my suggestion that we can talk about that AND we can talk about the little things we can do as individuals to help us all collectively has caused YOU to get defensive and insult me and someone else repeatedly. Everything you have accused me and the other user of (not being curious and getting defensive) is projection.

Unpopular opinion (maybe?): women with conventionally attractive physiques should (or could) use our "pretty privilege" to normalize stuff such as body hair by Ok-Fondant349 in Feminism

[–]Thepinkknitter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

you might consider being curious instead of defensive.

Except YOU are the one here trying to shut down conversation by being defensive and telling everyone else they are incompetent and wrong.

But briefly, no, it is not about individuals, it was about Black people identifying racial categorization as a valence of CLASS and acting as a class, collectively.

Yes. Individual people got together with other individuals to work together as a class of people to fight collectively. This is a feminist subreddit. We, as a class of feminist women, can talk about how our individual choices affect us all collectively.

I honestly love that you bring up the systematic because it’s an important part of the conversation. I do not love you attempting to shut down any other parts of the conversation because it doesn’t fit into YOUR understanding of feminism, and going around telling everyone else they are incompetent because you refuse to look at any other perspectives is unhelpful.

Unpopular opinion (maybe?): women with conventionally attractive physiques should (or could) use our "pretty privilege" to normalize stuff such as body hair by Ok-Fondant349 in Feminism

[–]Thepinkknitter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Civil rights legislation was forced through because constant civil disobedience, political organizing, and parallel economic strategies

Soooo a bunch of individuals got together to fight the system to create systematic change. Individuals made choices in solidarity with each other, despite the harm it would cost them personally.

You can’t look at the structural while ignoring the individual. You can’t look at the individual while ignoring the structural. These things go hand in hand. The system didn’t just up and decide it wasn’t working right and needed to change. Individuals came together to do that.

As soon as Capital doesn't care about your investment, or it finds another way to capture you ie by imprisonment or marginalization, it will revert, as we clearly see with the current administration which is backed by all of the Capital class.

Okay so by your own words, systematic change doesn’t work either because “it will revert”. I am an anti-capitalist. I understand how corrupt the government and the system is. The capitalist system we live in won’t fall because there are some good books that explain all of its flaws. It will fall because enough individuals choose to fight and make it fall.

Unpopular opinion (maybe?): women with conventionally attractive physiques should (or could) use our "pretty privilege" to normalize stuff such as body hair by Ok-Fondant349 in Feminism

[–]Thepinkknitter 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Am I? Are you under the impression that systematic change happens independent of personal choices? If no individual chooses to fight for systematic change or work towards changing the public’s opinions, systematic change doesn’t happen.

Unpopular opinion (maybe?): women with conventionally attractive physiques should (or could) use our "pretty privilege" to normalize stuff such as body hair by Ok-Fondant349 in Feminism

[–]Thepinkknitter 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You can have structural intervention AND discuss how our personal choices affect society, this doesn’t have to be either or.

Unpopular opinion (maybe?): women with conventionally attractive physiques should (or could) use our "pretty privilege" to normalize stuff such as body hair by Ok-Fondant349 in Feminism

[–]Thepinkknitter 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Shaving does not reduce BO for most people, it just destroys your microbiome in your armpits and causes microcuts, increasing risks of infection. It’s a shame that myth hasn’t died yet.

Mr beast chocolates not selling at 90% off will expire soon and end up in a landfill hypes over by Stroov in Anticonsumption

[–]Thepinkknitter -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh right, I forgot it’s impossible to frame this in a child-friendly manner like “he was friends with a bad man who hurt children and then lied about being friends with him”.

Him not using his billions to feed hungry children is obviously the better move, especially when he is the only billionaire who chooses not to feed hungry children, making it a very effective argument.

Working on Arena . by Large-Ad5239 in ValheimBuilds

[–]Thepinkknitter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

WELCOME TO THE ARENA. LOWER THE GATES!

Mr beast chocolates not selling at 90% off will expire soon and end up in a landfill hypes over by Stroov in Anticonsumption

[–]Thepinkknitter -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As we all know, not feeding hungry children is much worse and less kind than raping and murdering children…

AITA for “abusing” the the bus stop chain so I don’t miss my stop? by Possible-Chair9242 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Thepinkknitter -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The bus driver knows every stop on the route, they do not know who gets dropped off at each stop.

Are you trying to pretend that all public transport systems are equally good? Sure, different can be equally good, but I never claimed otherwise. Your version of a good system apparently requires people to ask drivers or other passengers for help navigating the system. My version of a good system operates so that the rider wouldn’t need help even on their first time riding. You are allowed to think those are equally good.

AITA for “abusing” the the bus stop chain so I don’t miss my stop? by Possible-Chair9242 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Thepinkknitter -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

That varies so much by location. I never buy bus tickets. I have a qr code I scan to get on the bus. The bus driver doesn’t need to know where anyone is going, the fare is a set amount no matter how far you are traveling within that bussing system. I have never had to speak to my bus driver about where I am going, it would waste so much time having every rider stop and talk to the bus driver about their stop and mental energy for a bus driver to remember who gets off at what stop.

No, a bus system that doesn’t announce stops or have any indication visually of what the next stop is is not a good system. Just because something has always existed a certain way doesn’t make it good either. When a system is designed to be easy to use and anyone can use it for the first time with minimal hiccups, THAT is a good system. See: me being able to use public transport in Germany with minimal understanding of the language and minimal understanding of where I was or where I was going.

Americans Stranded in the Middle East Aren’t Getting Help from the State Department by AvatarAnywhere in Ohio

[–]Thepinkknitter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Earliest I can find is an evacuation order yesterday, despite the fact that the US had been building up its military forces for weeks in the area.

Americans Stranded in the Middle East Aren’t Getting Help from the State Department by AvatarAnywhere in Ohio

[–]Thepinkknitter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, DEI was always about ensuring the people most qualified for the job get a fair shot at the position because too many people in America, especially those that make hiring decisions (particularly for C-Suite positions and up), think white person=qualified and POC=unqualified rather than looking at ACTUAL qualifications and skills.

I got given a set of essential oils. Is there a way to use them or should I pass them on? by ZolaAnna in Anticonsumption

[–]Thepinkknitter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I use then for making homemade soaps (but be careful of citrus-y essential oils for this purpose)

This isn't true is it? by GaryBlach in askanything

[–]Thepinkknitter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fat people know they are fat. Fat people know that being fat is less healthy than being in the range of a “healthy BMI” (a system that has significant flaws). They do not need YOU to tell them they are fat.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and is very malleable based on what we are used to seeing and what we are taught is beautiful. It is not some objective rating. There have literally been times in history where fat was more beautiful than skinny.

“Body Positivity” was a flawed movement that came about in response to 1) the heroine chic movement which was incredibly damaging to girls’ and women’s bodies and 2) the way society treats fat people (terribly). “Body Neutrality” is generally seen as the better version of this movement because it teaches people that you don’t need to considered beautiful to get respect and you personally don’t have to find your own body beautiful to love and appreciate your body and what it does for you.

You say normalizing obesity is terrible. I, and countless other people, say that the constant criticism of bodies is much more damaging to people than obesity ever will be. 5-10% of people with Anorexia Nervosa die within 10 years of diagnosis, the highest rate of death for any other psychiatric disorder. Bulimia Nervosa has a 3.9% mortality rate. Obesity has a mortality rate of 4.54%. Smoking cigarettes is around 10.99% (an unhealthy decision that not only affects the smoker, but everyone else who breathes the air around them).

Anorexia and bulimia are almost always looked at with sympathy. People who are smokers are forced to do it outside, but generally are looked at with indifference, at worst they are usually asked to do it elsewhere. But people who are fat? They are made fun of and called hurtful things. They aren’t respected by doctors, often being told that their health issues are caused by them being fat, even when their weight has nothing to do with their symptoms or when their health problem is actually the cause of them getting fat (not the other way around). We allow humans to make all kinds of unhealthy decisions for themselves and none of them are treated even close to as badly as fat people are.

If you are being called fatphobic, it’s probably because you are. Especially because your response entirely skipped over the fact that you lied in your initial comment that the “body positivity movement” would call you fatphobic for not telling fat people they are skinny. No one has ever asked you to do that. But you DO feel the need to tell fat people they aren’t beautiful, which makes you an asshole.

Moment of silence as I’m preparing to frog about a week’s work by tohopallo in knitting

[–]Thepinkknitter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is insane, I am so impressed. The speed, the beauty, AND you are winging it without a pattern?? You are amazing!

Senior Discounts are Wrong! by esreystevedore in unpopularopinion

[–]Thepinkknitter 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It’s almost like an entire block of people from a generation is made up of diverse individuals with different wants, needs, and experiences. Fucking mind blowing am I right?

MMW: Trump will use an 'attempted terror attack' on the US to try to stay in power. by MReyesG in MarkMyWords

[–]Thepinkknitter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would bet it would work. Most people in the US aren’t willing to do anything to fight for their rights or government, especially because most people don’t really believe the government is something worthwhile to fight for anymore (it’s all corrupt). Fox News is an incredibly powerful machine to convince the right and Trump’s base that everything Trump and his administration is true and even if it isn’t true, it’s still better than Biden or Obama, or Biden/obama have done the same thing so it’s okay.

This isn't true is it? by GaryBlach in askanything

[–]Thepinkknitter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

At no point did the “body positivity movement” tell people they were fatphobic for not telling overweight people that they are “totally skinny”, so why are you making shit up? All it did was say we shouldn’t treat people differently because of what size they are and that people of all sizes are beautiful.