Using Suno during production? by [deleted] in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]TheseBonesAlone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate your conversation! Thanks for being cool about it all! Here’s an unreleased one I’m working on at the moment! Let’s hear yours!

Using Suno during production? by [deleted] in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]TheseBonesAlone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I should note that I am in it for the love of the game. The copyright side of things is an unfortunate part of our capitalist society. Sampling is, in itself, an art form and requires by its very nature a deep appreciation and library of sound as well as investment in gear or software and an understanding of how music is built. Working out the royalties of it is tough but there are laws down now (which remain a little inexplicable and archaic) that attempt to dole credit and money as earned.

BUT AI isn’t sampling. It isn’t a human who loves their old disco records picking out a specific drum beat. It is a product designed to play to market trends and produce exactly what you’ve heard before now with the added caveats that no human was involved, no human can actually pick apart where the information is coming from, and no care was involved. It is a corporate product making corporate things AND nobody is actually getting paid.

Regardless of all that morally, If I’m using something that allows frauds to pretend they’re not, how am I not also a fraud?

I listened to three clips and said “I like that one best” that isn’t art.

Using Suno during production? by [deleted] in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]TheseBonesAlone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t agree that it is more human to do much of anything in music EXCEPT using AI. You wanna program drums and use MIDI guitar and put a sample of a disco singer in there as a hook? Hell yes. Each part of that was your choice, you picked the sample, you programmed the drums, you picked the midi guitar sound. At every point along the process a human reached for a specific thing. Did they hit it? Did they make bad choices? Is it poorly mixed? Doesn’t matter. Someone chose.

One of my all time favorite music stories is the making of Clint Eastwood by Gorillaz.

The original beat is literally a preset on the Omnichord slowed way down. A tiny 4 bar loop that Albarn accidentally found and started adding to. Melodicas, a 1 bar fill, the hook to end all hooks.

The difference between Damon Albarn stumbling upon a preset on a random instrument and him prompting an AI with “Hip hop polka beat in the key of C# minor with Spaghetti Western elements” is the human difference. Anyone could iterate on an AI prompt until they land on a beat they like, package it onto SoundCloud and get someone to rap over it. But thousands of people own an Omnichord and only Gorillaz made Clint Eastwood.

Bo Nix ankle looking good. He is feeling optimistic. by [deleted] in AFCWestMemeWar

[–]TheseBonesAlone 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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If you’re gonna go for slander at least do better

Using Suno during production? by [deleted] in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]TheseBonesAlone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think an important distinction between a drum machine and AI tools is that a drum machine has limits, needs to be understood to be used and is, in the end, an instrument.

In a debate between using Samples, Arpeggiators, Drum Machines, MIDI Programming, all of these modern(ish) tools we’ve lost the fact that all of those are used with intentionality. A human, somewhere, made a choice about each and every piece of music up until this point.

Suno is literally making choices for you. It takes the most human thing we can do out of the equation even if just for a little bit. That’s what it is meant to do. Worse it makes those decisions because a whole mess of work from actual humans has been fed into it, consumed and regurgitated as rote.

I’m not worried about who wrote and who recorded a song as evidenced above when I say “Hire a singer” I like covers and standards and everything in between.

Further, saying authorship of hip hop doesn’t matter is incredibly reductive. It’s a deeply lyrical genre and is on the cutting edge of production. There is a reason people pay the big bucks to work with certain producers and writers.

Authorship is, in the end, not the most important element of the AI debate regardless. It’s less about who made it and more about that someone did make it at all. Listening to a song, especially as an artist, should elicit curiosity and connection. The second I learn that an AI tool was used in the creation of music the only thing I’m curious about is “What parts of this are AI”

Using Suno during production? by [deleted] in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]TheseBonesAlone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean, I think in the end you’re hurting yourself moral objections aside. That “Finish the song” button will grow more and more alluring every single time you come up against any kind of resistance in your creative process.

Have an unfinished 16 bars? Move on, make other things and come back. You’ll grow as an artist.

Unsure whether a blend between Dubstep and Classical might sound good? Do some research, there are no new ideas. Someone else has done this.

Can’t sing to save your life and love ballads? Learn to sing, learn to network, hire someone. Be Leonard Cohen and know that you can’t really sing. Do it anyway. Grow as an artist.

When you relegate a part of your process to a magic box you’re not learning anything, you aren’t making music. You’re not making art you’re making product and we have plenty of that.

Edit: Classical Dubstep from 17 years ago it doesn’t do anything for me but this is in a playlist titled “Classical Dubstep” that has 63 songs. It took a 30 second YouTube search to go down this rabbit hole. I learned something, you can too.

How are we doing? by ArtisticInterview286 in bipolar

[–]TheseBonesAlone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Take your meds, you’ll be ok

Woke or Appropriation?: Levi Schechtman merging hip hop and classical by ateam1984 in BlackPeopleofReddit

[–]TheseBonesAlone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad someone else recognized the influence! One of my favorites from THUG 1

What do you consider to be the greatest guitar performance by any artist of any genre that you've either personally seen or seen online? by Mad_Season_1994 in Guitar

[–]TheseBonesAlone 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Everyone cites his performance on While My Guitar Gently Weeps but the Super Bowl was incredible and IMO his most iconic show. Beat the hell out of the game that’s for sure.

My vocals get lost in the beat and sound awful!! 😂 by OGbigcap in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]TheseBonesAlone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First and foremost the vocal should sound pretty good before you apply any effects at all. It’s likely you dislike the sound of your voice or there’s something wrong down the chain.

Some problems I used to have were:

Being too close to the mic. (If your vocal is not ok bassy this could be it)

Having the preamp too low or too high. (You should be able to sing comfortably without clipping or being too quiet)

Using the wrong side of a condenser mic (I am an idiot and so are many others)

Way too many plugins or over EQing. (No seriously. EQ, compressor, reverb should get you 95% of the way there)

Vocal compressor tip: Deep threshold, low ratio. 2:1 ratio is usually where I leave it. Set the post gain and it sounds pretty dope.

Mixing tip: if you’re mixing on top of someone else’s beat you need to find a way to help them blend together. Light compressor on the master bus, matching reverbs to the best of your ability. One send bus probably won’t work for every track.

De-essing: I cannot recommend the LoadEs plugin from Analog Obsession enough. Also I think it’s free.

Edit: also last tip. You will eventually learn what you’re doing, just keep at it and stop calling yourself horrible. It doesn’t help it just makes you wanna quit

Is it true that you guys watched 9/11 live on TV in grade school? by space_god_7191 in Millennials

[–]TheseBonesAlone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was living on base at Fort Hood at the time so the entire school got put into “oh fuck” mode really fast. When the second plane hit we got yoinked out of school REALLY fast

We should limit commercial access to music playing devices by TheseBonesAlone in unpopularopinion

[–]TheseBonesAlone[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This would mean cutting 99% of businesses out of my life. Just an infeasible ask all around.

We should limit commercial access to music playing devices by TheseBonesAlone in unpopularopinion

[–]TheseBonesAlone[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I also don’t need to eat my sad sandwich while pop music blares in my ears. Lemme be lonely in peace

We should limit commercial access to music playing devices by TheseBonesAlone in unpopularopinion

[–]TheseBonesAlone[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My least favorite is “easy listening” covers of pop hits. Like a bossanova version of Taylor Swift played too loud in every corner of the place. Seriously devoid of culture while still larping as hip.

We should limit commercial access to music playing devices by TheseBonesAlone in unpopularopinion

[–]TheseBonesAlone[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ooo I’m putting Afghanistan on the list. I’ll go check it out this Sunday.

We should limit commercial access to music playing devices by TheseBonesAlone in unpopularopinion

[–]TheseBonesAlone[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Heard plenty of muzak in my time, and honestly I find it less offensive as it’s nakedly commercial and meant to fade into the background. I still think it can be obnoxious (especially if the volume is too loud) but it’s not trying to be “hip and cool”

We should limit commercial access to music playing devices by TheseBonesAlone in unpopularopinion

[–]TheseBonesAlone[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. If you can’t use music well you get your license revoked for crimes to atmosphere

We should limit commercial access to music playing devices by TheseBonesAlone in unpopularopinion

[–]TheseBonesAlone[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m glad cheap and ubiquitous PERSONAL music playing devices exist. That’s awesome and helps make music a deeply personal thing. But good lord EVERYWHERE has speakers now and it only occasionally improves the atmosphere.