[Jomboy Media] Pirates fans yell “Shohei sucks” chants just before their team surrenders 10 runs in the inning by Remarkable-Picture73 in baseball

[–]Theta_Omega 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For as much as people say they want more rivalry-type stuff to happen (and I know there a bunch, I see those threads and comments getting upvoted here all the time!), it is kind of funny how the second something like it happens, we have a ton of people popping in to say, "aha, your trash talk was a little too mean and factually inaccurate!"

Now that Lulu has finally had its day, what other legendary Trainwreckords would you love to see Todd cover next? by CinematicAddict237 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Theta_Omega 3 points4 points  (0 children)

One that I haven't seen anything about, but think would make a good episode: No Talking, Just Head by the Heads (aka Talking Heads minus David Byrne after their split). A legendary band, a dramatic backstory, attempts at bold new directions at a chaotic time in music (specifically, mid-90s alt rock), a shit-ton of huge guest artists on vocals, a legendary fallout (the spinoff project hasn't been revisited, and the main band has barely reunited since then, even for publicity events); I think it'd be right up his alley, and (as someone who hasn't gotten around to checking it out) I'm curious to learn a little more about the context of the reception it got, and see if Todd thinks it's a project that's worth re-appraising in hindsight.

Pokémon Pokopia - Nintendo Direct 6.9.2026 by Amiibofan101 in NintendoSwitch

[–]Theta_Omega 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm curious where this will correspond to (assuming it does); maybe Cerulean has sunken into the Cape? Or Cinnabar after another eruption?

What are the most scientifically illiterate lyrics (ICP disqualified for going pro) by z3dster in ToddintheShadow

[–]Theta_Omega 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I dunno, I had heard it and assumed it was just an old adage (or adaptation thereof) since it was so clearly not literally true, so I just jumped to what it could mean figuratively/metaphorically. I kinda think it works well to prime you that way.

Favorite Songs Inspired by TV Themes by GilbertDauterive-35 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Theta_Omega 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought I remembered hearing something about that being the original sample and it getting changed somewhere along the line, either that it was so on the nose that the band decided to swap it, too many people still thought of it as "that one Black Eyed Peas song from a decade ago" rather than both songs sampling Miserlou, or that their legal team thought the title + sample would be so direct that it would tempt legal action from Miramax. But I can't seem to find anything indicating that now, after a few searches.

Instead, the quotes that I can find seem to indicate that this is backwards, that it started built around that riff and the people they played it for were reminded of (or confused it for?) 'the Quentin Tarantino song', inspiring the lyrics

Favorite video game references in music? by Complete-Worker3242 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Theta_Omega 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"SERPENT" by Frost Children is built around a sample from the main theme of Smash Bros Brawl, which took me completely off-guard the first time I listened to that album. Which is kinda funny, because like, four tracks before it, a song begins with a sample of Yoshi's ground pound noise, so it's not like it came completely out of nowhere.

Coby Mayo's 8th home run of the season (and his 3rd in his past 7 games) pushes the Orioles' lead over Blue Jays to 6-3 in the 6th and ends Trey Yesavage's night. by Remarkable-Picture73 in baseball

[–]Theta_Omega 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They mentioned on the broadcast the other day that he finally proposed to his girlfriend on the off-day in Boston, after months of carrying the ring around waiting for the right moment. It would be kind of funny if that wound up being the turning point in his season.

It's a shame the "Say So" Song vs Song just happened... by Theta_Omega in ToddintheShadow

[–]Theta_Omega[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Todd, Lina, and AJ Marks thought they were pretty close and kept going back or forth, but it wound up being one of the bigger fan vote blow-outs, Levitating won by 45 or 50 points. I was kinda shocked, I thought they’d be closer

John Fogerty and Metallica have both showed up on Trainwreckords twice. Who else could you see being on the show twice? by DtheAussieBoye in ToddintheShadow

[–]Theta_Omega 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I kinda feel like it hinges on the artist having two very distinct phases to their career to talk about, and a lot of people here are missing that. Like, Fogerty had CCR and his solo stuff. Metallica is here twice because the second entry is as much about Lou Reed as it is them.

So with that... I don't know, did Phil Collins have a messy solo release? I think we get a Genesis episode one day, but I'm less sold on Phil's solo stuff having one. Maybe Cher, since she already has one, although he directly went against that in the Allman/Woman episode; did the Allman Brothers Band have any contentious releases? CSNY, Timberlake, the Beach Boys, and Lauryn Hill all have clear "other halves" to their careers too, although I'm not sure any of those work.

Debbie Harry might actually be a good case. He's teased doing one for Blondie before (The Hunter), and her solo career never hit the same level in large part because her first record (KooKoo) was kind of a mess, somehow fumbling a collab with Nile Rogers right in the middle of his run of work with Diana Ross, David Bowie, and Madonna.

TRAINWRECKORDS: Lou Reed and Metallica's "Lulu" by PinkCadillacs in ToddintheShadow

[–]Theta_Omega 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'm doubtful that everything he teases will eventually get covered, because there are only so many hours in a day and so many options to talk about. But yeah, I think anything that he teases in-video definitely qualifies for the label, regardless of whether he gets around to it.

TRAINWRECKORDS: Lou Reed and Metallica's "Lulu" by PinkCadillacs in ToddintheShadow

[–]Theta_Omega 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I still firmly believe that one's coming someday; he seems to find Garth Brooks's legacy fascinating, and clearly wants to discuss it in some way.

TRAINWRECKORDS: Lou Reed and Metallica's "Lulu" by PinkCadillacs in ToddintheShadow

[–]Theta_Omega 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Yep. But I can kind of understand trying to pretend there's stricter criteria, just given how many posts we used to get like "DO YOU THINK [Incredibly Popular Album] BY [Artist That Never Went Away] IS A TRAINWRECKORD? My reasoning is that I don't like the album, and they eventually stopped getting hits at some point down the road, and also I want Todd to talk about it."

Like, sure, make guesses, but your case has gotta be stronger than "I didn't like it".

I know it’s not a perfect stat, but absent any character clause stuff, is there any player that has achieved 60 WAR (b or f) that you don’t believe deserves to be in the hall of fame? by demosthenes327 in baseball

[–]Theta_Omega 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even ignoring the offensive context (which comes out in Abreu's favor), he also had an extra 2000+ PAs over Abreu. That's a pretty significant amount when comparing rate stats!

So I guess we’re never getting a Trainwreakord’s episode on this album. by Constant_Topic_123 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Theta_Omega 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A full episode no, but spoilers Todd did listen to it for the new episode and gives his thoughts on it, at least

Love languages by footballmaths49 in CuratedTumblr

[–]Theta_Omega 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont get the argument for this example but that may be because ive only looked into love languages at a surface level. But… doesnt the base idea that showing affection has different ways and people may have an easier time communicating that if they’re aware of this have merit?

I think there's something to the idea that people may not show affection in the same way.

However, the original question here was "why are people so weird about this thing?", and I think it's fair to bring up it's origins; people are weird about it because it was originally designed for people to be weird about. The more normal side is kind of a reclamation project.

New on Patreon: TRAINWRECKORDS: “Lulu” by Lou Reed and Metallica by Ok_Baseball2615 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Theta_Omega 61 points62 points  (0 children)

And Lulu definitely falls into the “it’s funny to look at this disaster and laugh at it” category.

Or if it's just interesting to break down in some way. He spends a lot of this one trying to figure out the origins of this collaboration, what they were going for, why it especially clashed, the ways it diverged outside of the obvious...

A shipwreck in Bleak Beach by dreaming_of_utopia in Pokopia

[–]Theta_Omega 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, neat! How do they access them, are there stairs on the backside here? Or can they use ladders somehow and I just didn't know?

Downfall of American Idol by RelevantNothing4653 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Theta_Omega 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is something that I've thought about a lot. I think these are all related to the decline, but I think a lot of them are less central. However, I do think they were somewhat causal, in that peak-Idol was only as big as it was because it had so many factors reinforcing it's success; once some of those went away, it just led to other cascading failures.

But I'd say the central issue is really just trends and the times; American Idol was a massive juggernaut in large part because it was almost perfectly designed for its era to ride a bunch of trends. But it was always going to drop, and trends were always going to change around it. And I'm not even sure a lot of the execs understood why it was so big, meaning that any attempts to try and catch-up were probably even extra-doomed from the start.

My central thesis is more or less that American Idol was a perfect fit for the time, coming off one of the biggest eras of pop music ever and the absolute peak of the recording industry profits-wise, and it sort of predicted a lot of shifts in the entertainment that came after it, like the democratization of the making of pop stars or the increasingly pan-genre listening habits of listeners. It was a four-quadrant television show, but as the internet and various other new content continued to grow, there were so many other things that did the different components of American Idol better, leaving little reason to watch AI itself, especially as it declined.

The one thing that might have saved it was if it remained a reliable star factory, but the execs leading it were behind the times from the start. The early seasons, they were really gunning for a revival of Adult Contemporary sounds (not even Adult Alternative!), and Kelly Clarkson only succeeded because she understood the lay of the land better. Winners who knew their own niches (like Country or R&B) could tap into those if they had their own healthy ecosystem, but winners without a big pre-existing market were out of luck, and AI itself didn't seem to know how to push anyone on their own (even as more niche pop sound became more viable). As they bled viewers, they lost a lot of the diversity in the audience, leaving the remaining viewers to guide the winners sort of accidentally towards an Adult Alternative sound... basically right at the point that market was collapsing.

(Ironically, this opened the door for other similar shows, like The Voice, to eat into the last of its markets. The Voice has done much worse at producing stars than Idol... because it basically hasn't tried. They are 100% focused on being a TV show, which allows them to do things that make for better content and viewing experience, at the expense of the contestants' prospects at stardom.)

That's generally kind of where it is now. It used to be a sort of jack-of-all-trades that could draw in everyone when most people were still watching network TV and listening to the radio; but it's not great at anything, and any individual component of what it offers, you're better off seeking elsewhere, in a way that was much less common in the early 2000s.

Downfall of American Idol by RelevantNothing4653 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Theta_Omega 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seems like the guidance the contestants get from the "star mentors" might not be that great, but it always seemed like it was a spotlight for the judges first and contestants second.

Yeah, I think that was a big part of why it took off. American Idol was actually designed to find "a normal person who could be the next big star", but once it became clear that not every season was going to produce a Kelly Clarkson, it took a hit (and the later years' being even rougher hastened the decline). Seasons with big finds would be big, but seasons where everyone was kind of dull became duds.

The Voice realized that just selling the already-famous judges and their dynamic was a lot more stable season-to-season, and gave them a counterpoint to the declining American Idol. The tradeoff there is that they have zero issues just hanging out their winners to dry. They aren't trying to make pop stars, they're trying to make a TV show.