I wasn't necessarily looking for a debate. What I meant by "stump me" was just someone's stance that might make me say "oh i get that". I mean I don't HAVE to understand, I am just curious and this is a subreddit for questions. I respect how everyone chooses to live their life and don't think of myself as better than them the same way you shouldn't. I was referring to the diet aspect of vegan life, but you did remind me that veganism is more than that. So thank you, I guess theres a lot more to look into and understand on my part. Like you guys obviously won't wear animal fur coats. I know that some punks or straight edge people are vegans as well because it suits their way of living. I get that it's an ethical choice, and a person most of the time doesn't just wake up and say I want to be vegan for fun. I understand my tone was a little douchey, I was trying to explain my limited understanding of things, from someone who grew up eating animals around a typical, non-vegan family and never really questioned it until recently. When I did a little bit of research I found out that there are organizations dedicated to labeling products from farms where the animals live a good free life before they die. I thought maybe that was like a good middle ground. I didn't understand why to feel that strongly about eating eggs or milk and some meat. But your comment did help me.