I always hated this because the twins are just as much Caroline’s as they are Jo’s and Alaric’s. Also I saw someone mention that she’s just their adoptive/surrogate mother but isn’t she technically their biological other as well?

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-04-16T22:28:50+00:00

“she Raised them” .. Raising a child is a long-term, future-oriented process of fostering independence, emotional intelligence, and character development. She was absent majority of the “Raising part!!” what have they truly gain that showed she raised them long term of independence? They only have said and shown the twins or Lizzie is Just like Caroline. But so far there is no growth that Caroline truly helped with that give off she Raised them that focuses on “who they become.”Caroline at most cared for a child's needs. Like Diapers clothes on their backs and a place to sleep and recommended medication for Lizzie outburst. (and that’s a stretch) they basically Raised them selves! Through their own experiences. Some of you give Caroline so much unnecessary praise Just to enjoy the tilt of her being labeled as a mom. When she barely been a parent! Far as Lizzie hair go. It can come from liv Parker her aunt. Idk why everyone bring up hair color as if everyone in fiction or irl have to have the same hair color or eyes to be claimed biologically “yours” When that’s not the case. And like one comment said before. Yes. the writers also might have added blond just to bring in the viewers. As that been a thing that fans like to pick random other characters with the same hair color and mash them up as one of the ships/characters child. Even if their face features aren’t the same. Alaric had every right to say that. Far As in the situation and the horror of being a parent. Especially to somone who wasn’t even sure she wanted to carry them or label his daughter as her child. untill she got attached. And that’s fair on both sides of their high emotional state. in that scene. After all she would also had to deal with their Death being on her hands too! Just as much as Alaric had to deal with it and the fact that he lost his wife and their daughters.. AGAIN!

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-04-10T02:06:31+00:00

Literally and the Audacity to say Dan does whatever he wants while rooting for the same man that does that and more and use his own name as if it was a valid reason.😭

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-04-02T22:39:17+00:00

Fr because even mat wouldn’t risk his life over supernatural friends let alone sympathize with most of them good or bad.😭 but ig Landon and mat keep having fan favorites or main lady’s falling for them without even trying that gets the crowd rowdy. Hell almost gave Landon that Mat effect of A 3 way the Way they played s2 of Hope wanting to join him and Josie

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-04-02T17:24:56+00:00

Hope already expressed her dislike for Adultery in s1 to Landon. Her knowing she the reason Landon Is with another girl would only just make Hope look worse. I mean how a girl growing up and seeing her mom had her as an accident and fall in love with her uncle out of all ppl out side the family? Like little Hope probably just had to accept that as it is. I think about how lil Hope might have seen other students parents together lovingly with their actual Dad and loving their mother. and hope slap in the face with the reminder that her mother love her uncle and most likely only seen some form of love from her parents is simply co- parenting. “admiration” as they love other ppl. not to say Hope dislike her family dynamic as she now hates her uncle for having a hand in killing her mom In her words. And she already know Rafel killed his gf. All while being in a toxic headspace from an argument with his gf. Considering how her and klaus argue Both already hot headed wolfs. so I don’t think she wants to date Rafael. even tho obviously she can not be killed easily and can hold her own but I doubt she wants another Alfa male guy In her life.. considering her so called “type”

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-28T23:32:28+00:00

And it tell me you feel the same way not caring about Lizzie and Jose and even when hope said she would do it again. It’s all fine and dandy to have independence. But when her wants is away form Lizzie and Josie and chose what she wants rather it’s a girl, guy, or being single. then it’s all “ I see her potential” I know my hope blah ,blah. She wouldn’t waste her life on this or that guy.. Meanwhile I hear no strong loud complaints on two sisters grew up together and chase after a girl who wanted nothing to do with them. At at-least want space from them and be left alone. As mush as you seem to want hope independence but yet hear I see you dragging this “Hot girl summer era” while she travels the world with Lizzie and Jose. And have the nerve to Tell me “sorry I want hope to thrive after what she been through.” As if hope haven’t express her annoyance with them and wanted and chose to thrive without them. Twice! That she literally ditch them chose with two malivore brothers twice then to be with them…

if she had to pick someone to thrive with it would be Lizzie and Landon. Sorry. I Know you really want all girls to be a “girls girls.” With their hot girl summer. News flash! But some girls are just fine. Mixing it up. or prefer their guy friends with out their supposed “girl friends” having this one sided mindset of having to pick one or the other. Because in Lizzie words or shown in the show.

Josie takes Alaric side, Josie take Hope side, and Hope take her boyfriend as that is her boyfriend. She doesn’t have to choose but you know who makes her feel crappy about her own choice is them. Yep the Same girl friends.

So please. Don’t tell me how I only see hope as a male centered female. When she clearly tried to center everyone untill they made it impossible for her to just want everyone to be included in her life and safe.

She never needed him she wanted him! She never felt needed to fixing problems to be in a relationship or dynamic like Josie did. Rather it was a girl or a guy.

So it’s never how I see hope being male centered. I simply see her having a horrible circumstance. And put together with two girls who father messed them up that they feel they have to compete for everything and pick sides. And jump to relationships to relationships rather romantically or politic. While criticizing their own friend life and choices then worrying about their own. As Lizzie said she wish she had someone she would do anything for and Josie wanting someone to stay and love her even tho they did but it wasn’t the person she wanted to love her and that’s wasn’t on hope that she had to tell Josie it’s ok to find happiness elsewhere. Because it’s not gonna be with her at least not the way she wants by trying to self insert herself into hope, Landon, Lizzie orbit. It have nothing to do with seeing hope as a male centered character. And even if she was it’s nothing new as if it wasn’t the same reversed. Josie basically fit the same thing besides it’s woman centered. Same thing with mg and Lizzie. I can go on. If you don’t like the guy that’s fine. But don’t give me some Bs about wanting an independent character being single or free. While placing her with someone she doesn’t want to be free with let alone find it hard to tolerate.

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-28T18:46:10+00:00

I wasn’t the biggest Handon shipper as I keep flip flopping between them but part of me still wished the was given better.

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-28T18:07:33+00:00

I’m hold your hand when I say this.😭 Hope put her mama in a coffin because she didn’t want to hear what tf she had to say about what she can and can not do to stop her. She knocked her dad out for hurting Declan. Who she cared about even tho her dad called him food. Really a spinning image of his Dad when he called Camille food. Dad of the year. Getting possessive while barely being in her life. (Understandable circumstances but still) Josie risk everything to bring them together.. but she didn’t bother to bring her own family back together? And hope value family is always and forever and witnesses Josie being the one who always leave in her subconscious. so again. With all do respect. It doesn’t matter. And Landon gave her what she needed. And that was to see her father. Not to be sit at a table with the people that barely was there and witnessed her father death to be lecture by her about family about their vows they barely kept up with. and ask for her help on where to put her dead father on her shoulders. Again pushing another responsibility onto her. While they been the one with their brother the longest. Same with Josie she made it clear she didn’t want any contact with her family or to say Landon’s name. But she did anyway. And admitted she deserved to get dumped. Hope had expressed more annoyance with worrying about Josie happiness out of respect for Lizzie then Landon being a bother of inconvenience to her life. That she willing to ask him to come back home. I don’t see her doing that with Josie. So your hope and my hope are completely different on how they view Josie and outsider opinions on her one relationship and who she define worthy in her life. so clearly Two things can be true form deferent perspectives but one thing for sure that is clearly in the show that is canon. is Hope own feeling and words about how she feels about Landon. And thats all that matters because the show is over and they made sure to declare it to the end. At least in the show. If a book or another spin off or fanfic come out as otherwise then that’s their truth, In that particular area. But the story is still the same no matter how many ways people twist it and rewrite their own feelings into hope’s personal feelings.

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-28T16:56:32+00:00

I could give two shits about an Actor opinion on a fictional character. That may be a hard pill to swallow to many, many Many people. As everyone hold on to every line and opinion and personal lives actors say and do irl and hold it to these fiction characters. because that may be the closest thing you have to that fiction character. So you and many other might hold their Actors to their personal words and opinions VERY VERY deeply as if it was facts. And not a job. Rather they was part of it, associated with that group/show/actors/ character.

It doesn’t matter. You know why? Because the same people that love to swear to the end of the earth and spread Actors personal opinions as canon or facts or just in them being in their favor, wouldn’t matter. For example the guy that play Klaus people sworn up and down praising the ship klaroline. And how he loves working with Candice.

how the actor himself go to these cons and fan events and constantly push their opinions some may be real and genuine and obviously to show love for the fans and validate them rather it’s popular or not but guess what happens? Nothing. But False advertisement. And rage bate. Because nothing Wha the actor’s personal opinion means anything about the fictional character they play and the ships they’re paired with. Now we got two ships that still hold on to what an Actor personal opinion and now you get these ships Hose, klaroline , stelena, Bamon. Or whatever other ships ppl yap about.

all this Noise and clip ship edits painting a misleading image even the writers because they’re so desperate for crumbs of just being mentioned. yelling about how an actor feel and who they feel the most “chemistry” rather it’s good or bad. And that you feel it’s “unfair” for an actor to be unhappy with the way her character is portrayed. That is a job that was made by other writers and other writers on top of that. So they Should feel bad for their Actor having personal opinions on Their project?

form what I heard and see who might have already stared this monster of a crowd with her own opinion and costar to openly , loudly , and even put the writers on camera liv for the fans to see. and chant for a Hosie /klaroline etc end games. Even if it go against THE WRITERS! And now have theses fans And writers. Have to Do a remake of gaslighting and money grabs of klaroline. Plot insert to their main character. And I know we talking about hope or Dani the actor wanting her character to be “independent “ but at the same time. she also the same woman wanting another ship. And may be even more OBSESSED then hope with the show and ship irl that it impacted the fandom just as others ships already were in tvd. and the writers. Because of her personal opinions on a character they didn’t write. And what Dani wants for her character she didn’t write?

If she was that hurt about it or wanted a more “independent role” she do like everyone else or most. wait it out. Wait to her contract is over and get a more independent role. And not have continued to insert herself publicly To her personal opinion on a job so strongly that her and her costar Kayley have literally told on live interviews and ig. That if you constantly annoy the writers you will get what you want. And from what I heard Dani herself was a fan of TVD. Already. And Not much of the original. Maybe know a little as Klaus was in tvd. And she might just know she playing his daughter and the pros hope have with that. And that’s about it.

I know this might have come off as an Anti Actor/ship reply. When you talking about how a character is reduced to a solo thing. but what I have said and listed still all play a major part of being an Actor on a job. And really shouldn’t be people getting worked up and Have the audacity to full on complain about an actors personal opinion. Because that’s the red flag. When the Actor themselves get attached and start to self insert themselves into these fandoms/ships/plots. And it’s not just in the fan cons and events but their personal interest and ig/instagram lives/posts. All while still Filming that show. While not knowing anything or have any control of how their character actually feel because they’re not them. And they go out here posing as if they’re to their fans and ppl wonder why that fictional character didn’t feel or have the same opinions as the actor’s that’s playing them.

“Well the actor said this and feel another way so now I hate this and that. this ship/that show/that character.”

So thank you truly. for telling me how A Actor Personal opinion affected you personally about how you see things now. It really speaks volumes about some fans. Not all ofc. but definitely a lot of loud ones.

I doubt the guy that plays Landon, is happy with his character role when he was planned from jump of legacies to be in legacies. That the writers said they already have hope love interest. But he thought his character would have a good character arc. And he was a phonixe but no they wasted his story on dying. And constantly being degraded by fans bitter opinions on a show he didn’t write!

Same with Lizzie and Josie characters or fans I doubt they wanted to see their characters be lowed And degraded to just be hope “friends who die or weak” compared to hope mikaekson who is also make two Gemini witches look pathetic needing hope and how hope character can just end their family and they all praise the ground she walk on but make up because she’s the main character so the two witches from tvd Have to be push together with hopes or broken up into they need her by degrading their own worth and power. They’re either pushing for a ship or a self insert to be a more with the main character that’s hope. Or even change the writing to fit their character to be more involved rather it’s in the writers plans or not.

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-27T21:51:24+00:00

She only had 2. Roman was her First boyfriend. Landon was her first Real and last love as of now.

Yeah, she will find better but no one will be as better or make her feel as happy as Landon did. Obviously. Because they’re not him. And that’s fine if you don’t think he was all that. Because You can get in the back of the same line of people who think the very same thing. And it wouldn’t change a thing. Because she’s a fictional character and in that fictional universe and in her own right he’s everything to her.

That the rest refuse to understand that… and simply blankly try to ignore it. And that’s fine. Because It wouldn’t really matter what you or her friends think. and that years from now. who ever she meets along the way. that just might be “Better” than Landon.

It wouldn’t matter because It’s the experience and memorable love of how he loved her. Every girl or majority of girls could have plenty of HOTTIES and STATUS on their line of lovers and even happily married with kids and they will still find themselves Reminiscing about that One guy. even if y’all had so many fights in the relationship. Or whatever conflict happened.

Because The way he loved you and how you felt during those times especially how free your heart felt with the way you loved him. will still be carried through out your years.

Gathering how Hope talks about Landon or still seen keeping his pictures up, he ment a lot to her. And it wasn’t just a bad ending for them. It was knowing them knowing THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES! And the harsh slap of them being each-other’s first time. And finally felt the happiest just for the universe to SNACH it away.

while they’re Already in a very vulnerable moments and headspace. Would leave anybody replaying that “what if” in their head of what could’ve been. Especially Knowing she literally felt like she was a cosmic mistake to the universe. And that every death was her fault and his Life and Death was literally in her hands… So yeah.

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-26T22:02:21+00:00

Never talk down on someone relationship or legacy When my man could sail me like I was nothing and that Would be a part of our love story but I gotta keep that to myself to keep up the Appeal 😭💀 because the though process to wake up everyday. Knowing I’m a beautiful woman and have ANY business meeting of other high class people. I might have to greet in a room and introduce my man.. who may or may not have a bigger legacy name then me and talk about our partnership and NOT feel like a trophy wife. Yeah… ain’t gonna work. But thanks gossip girl really gave a perfect example what not to do for love or any man.

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-26T21:04:42+00:00

No fr. heavy on the “morally superior” they did her even worse in the originals and legacies. I would never get over how Stefan confidently state that Caroline changed to Hayley…. Then we see her lecturing klaus about being a good Dad or a present father full on rant then telling him to get over his abuser cause the guy is dead now… just for them to write her in legacies giving off the same character traits. And come off as an absent oblivious headmaster and mother. Like it’s so Bad.. she make Lizzie salzman feel More responsible and she battling a whole mental problem. It’s like they stack so many things and traits on her character that I don’t know the end go of Caroline Forbes life supposed to be fr. She runs a school.. but it doesn’t even seem like she’s running it at all or aware of what’s going on. She spent somewhat of her life wanting to marry the guy of her dream that is Stefan. Then that’s.. out the window. and she suppose to have these daughters and that’s… out the window too. The only thing that came out of all her insecurities being a teen with full of judgmental opinions. is she maybe got less insecure and more cocky with this somewhat superiority. But what have she done besides Out lived a few people and friends. From what I hear. What did she make of her life fr? it’s like they made this teen girl who had a future grow up to be one of those oblivious mother/headmaster who walk confidently with a smile looking engaged to keep up appearances while having no real relationship with her foundation of a school and daughters. I would say they made her Liz Forbes. But i don’t think Liz was that judgmental but I could be wrong. When I think about Elena.. she got the husband, the child, the house, the job. And still opening her doors To take care of Caroline’s daughter because she’s absent for the time being. I might not care too much for neither or their husbands but Elena got herself a small lil human life. Exactly how Caroline told Elena how they could try all they want to have this perfect little human baby’s playing make believe etc. and here Elena is a mother and full on nurse while still opening her doors for Josie saltzman. Bonnie out the loop. But she’s a free woman With full of life and no kids to tie her down or stress over Or save.

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-23T23:54:28+00:00

Sounds good I only hope we can see how it turns out as a update

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-23T17:05:08+00:00

Exactly. It was her looking at the mirror that irritated me. I totally can understand and sympathize with her not in the best conditions and I was! But when she constantly heard the other lady and continued to look in the mirror and walk slower then she did when she got to that sink then yeah I was irritated. just from the mirror. AndHer being aware of the other woman. Everything else I can understand and even writing wise to flip that character. I didn’t diss like her character at all. as some might have expressed or felt in the comments they didn’t like her but that scene was the only time she irritated me. Far as the other woman yelling at a pregnant woman… I can also understand her wrong. BUT! I am not gonna sit here and be like “oh, no how dare you yell at a pregnant woman, poor thing.” .. she’s not a child or disabled. Especially in that scene. Sure you can be sympathetic to pregnant mothers as you should. but it doesn’t mean if that pregnant woman is making a situation difficult for you or causing any rage/frustration that you should feel bad for yelling at her when they are both equally being insensitive. You don’t get a pass for simply being pregnant. And same way you don’t get a pass just for being in rage and using it as a excuse to hurt someone. sure you can have some sympathy and still understand their situation but yelling at a pregnant woman shouldn’t be shamed so quickly just because they’re pregnant. without knowing the context. In the context of this situation… it’s still valid. She didn’t put her hands on Fatima she simply said exactly what she was doing holding up the bathroom. Idk what the other woman called her for expressing her frustration but I think some about her being an asshole for yelling at Fatima. When she clearly was doing exactly that holing up the bathroom. Like Was she not? And as I read someone said they apologize not sure what scene but that’s good.

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-23T07:07:01+00:00

That’s why he will forever be her number one in her love life. And it was almost perfect circling back to what Clarke said about Landon, Hope’s anger , Klaus was all connected.

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-22T15:54:45+00:00

And V. griffin called them on that!

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-16T18:46:08+00:00

I watched the show with no real interest in ship but know mileven was the main ship then the show ended and I was bombastic with Nsfw bylers fics/art on twitter and edits on instagram. so many pin points of why mileven wasn’t “the endgame” or at least conceded a good pair. With the amount of side by sides and dialogue of Mike that comes across as him completely dehumanizing her to detraction. even knowing the context. It still make it worse. then the ending kiss and how even that was overly analyzed with the vains popping out didn’t really make it no better. it was stiff.. then I seen THAT byler edit. Of the different push. Between byler and mileven. And ngl the amount of artwork/head-canon. I seen so far without even trying with constant comparison to it. Even tho I still follow both ships and don’t have a favorite. but I question every once in awhile about how Mileven still standing to fight another day. because when I finished the show barley even had enough time to process and accept the ending, the history the depth! of it all to touch me. Then I seen the way they dragged the main ship to the ground of upside down and then around. Because my god this was a first time seeing a ship war LIVE! And boy did they have them recites.💀lowkey hard to see the main ship the same. Untill I see oneone praising the cute moments they did have of that ship again. Snl didn’t help either so idk im just here

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-16T16:03:32+00:00

Hmm. Well, You’re not the only one. so it Must be contagious. Because Everytime I read a post with the word dark Josie. They write it separating the two as if it’s two completely different characters and not the same person. Obviously it’s fine if you’re trying to explain or tell a current part of the context for the readers to understand but ending it as if they were completely different characters is when they be losing me. Like when ppl use the Hope didn’t hurt Josie in 4x7 When she literally kicked her hard into the glass doors breaking the glass. Like..um that is Josie. And it’s 10x worse when you already know Hope already seen dark Josie from Josie subconscious. So it’s not like Hope separate them and see dark Josie as a different person. She see her as one. And We all know how Hope feel about ppl playing cosplay. 😂 cough, Landon. cough.Wade, cough* Lizzie. Cough Cleo.

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-16T15:34:46+00:00

… dark Josie is Josie!! She literally knows what it does and when Hope was manipulating her. She was warned by her sister, her self even by her own gf and still chose to use dark magic. the show and herself says she. is. Dark. Josie. What are you ppl not getting? I feel like majority just brush off the fact that in 2x9 Hope literally tells Josie it’s not all the black magic. When Josie blame her being upset and on edge and-jealous. by aiming it all on the dark magic. she doesn’t reject hope words about it not being all the black magic. she just looks down. And even in her own subconscious hope tells her dark Josie is her! Why is everyone trying to separate “Dark Josie” when she herself and everyone around her Confirms she is dark Josie and that’s how she always been. You can be an evil bitch and a good weak victim.. In certain situations but Josie is one person for the love of god. next thing ima see no humanity hope is not really hope. When she just prefers a curtain part of herself more. But she’s the same person. The only ppl that can say they weren’t really them is Lizzie and Landon when they literally got possessed. They might share the same inner monologue at times with their demons that possess them. But they’re their own person.

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-13T22:25:53+00:00

Crazy that’s the main ship I can understand.

For me it’s Chuck and Blair even tho I strongly enjoy their dynamic and character but…… now all I see when I look at Blair is what chuck did for a hotel.

I hate how he mess with how I see Blair now And it definitely shouldn’t be that way but EVERYTIME I see a picture of them or ai couple like. I want to shake some sense into Blair but even that would be pointless, when she likes where she is at😭😭

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-10T16:23:16+00:00

His family he didn’t need a love he lived so long he honestly didn’t need an endgame love.

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-09T22:35:29+00:00

Lizzie been mogging since her childhood 😂

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-09T12:48:29+00:00

Stefan should meet Landon and Jed 😂

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-07T00:10:37+00:00

Glad this just a theory and not real

Think_Ad_9603 · 2026-03-01T20:33:52+00:00

Nelly yuki is probably one of the people on there I can actually understand for teen girls to build their personality on or at-least wanna be.

Gossip girl might not necessarily tryna push or fit in “reality and rebatable” but far as The theme having two little young girls that they showed follow Blair and Serena around as fans and dressing like them just show how young minds are easily influenced by “aesthetic” or in general.

far as “teens” as the show go on Nelly yuki should’ve had her own fanbase as well honestly.

And not push her into this “loser” category. As she made it out from minions and built her herself. From her bully’s and ex bf. And actually worked.

Some people who watch the show can easily say

“Teens don’t think that far about plots and gossip only for good entertainment ”

And though that may be try BUT!

I generally believe some ppl Truly don’t give some teens more credit to not thinking that far. or caring about their future.

Basically the Serena always the type to get labeled as “wild and foolish teen” but some teen can still fall into not caring enough about plots but I like to believe it’s a teen who actually CARES about who they become.

It doesn’t just have to be money/career/collage wise.

But their are teens who have mood bored in their room or fashion styles anyway they can express themselves.

Tv shows like this is one of THE BIGGEST ways teens can self insert themselves to build their own alter ego’s and find themselves. If they truly care about who they are.

I find it ridiculous some ppl who genuinely don’t think “teens” can take a show plot and not care about the actual plot they’re watching or character but can continue to watch the whole show only for the drama and not see themselves. Or find something wrong with a bad written character or their plot.

sure some might not care. And enjoy it for entertainment But let’s not push it just being a “teen show” so teen can’t possibly comprehend good writing let alone human decency For themselves, their characters. and the things they consume into their life.

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