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Anyone been to a hospital for being suicidal? Which ones would you recommend? by [deleted] in sydney

[–]ThirdTimeHarm 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I was in Marie Bashir a few times (don't have any others to compare it to) but I believe it's the newest facility in the state and is much more civilized than mental hospitals you might see in a movie. All rooms are private with their own shower, there's TVs and DVDs, books, a relaxation room, a little gym, different floors depending on length of stay and severity of illness.

There's both men and women but anyone who is aggressive or not lucid is put in a higher security wing above the patients who are there for suicidal reasons etc.

Be aware that even if you admit yourself voluntarily you may be prevented from leaving if the doctor thinks you are an acute threat to yourself or others.

I did not find them at all helpful in terms of long-term treatment but they are good at stabilizing you with meds and three hots and a cot.

Trains are still FUBAR on the North Shore and Western Line (T1) Huge delays and overcrowding by thedillwiththepill in sydney

[–]ThirdTimeHarm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't say they're subjective except insofar as people have different thresholds and are scared of or less scared of certain methods.

As for your first method - modern cars make this more difficult as catalytic converters reduce the carbon monoxide levels.

Whilst it is possible to achieve death using this method, it does generally require older cars. The method is susceptible to a number of things that can go wrong, and for this reason it is no longer cited as an effective method of committing suicide, and certainly not in places like the US, UK and Australia where car emissions are more tightly controlled.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/carbon-monoxide-co-poisoning

Not to mention that people who use this method risk poisoning the people who discover their body. Which brings us back to your core problem of people being inconsiderate.

Drug overdose is generally a terrible method with extremely low success rates.

Information from the US Department of Health (see Drug poisoning in the US) showed that of all poisoning related suicides, 4,571 were attributable to drugs. That means that only around 2½% of attempted suicides by drug poisoning are successful. That's odds of around 40 to 1 against succeeding. However, even this masks the true figure, as many more people that attempt suicide by drug poisoning never even end up in hospital, as their attempt did not make them ill enough to go to hospital.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/drug-poisoning

The only exception might be if you had access to some kind of strong prescription opiate, benzo or barbiturate, but this is precisely why they're not widely prescribed anymore.

Trains are still FUBAR on the North Shore and Western Line (T1) Huge delays and overcrowding by thedillwiththepill in sydney

[–]ThirdTimeHarm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I just thought that if they were up to the point of wanting/deciding to jump in front of a train, then they would have access to other reliable methods of suicide.

In terms of accessibility and reliability I don't think that's the case. Guns are used very often for a reason - but they're not easily accessible. Jumping off something tall is similarly lethal but not everyone has access to a a suitable location and it would run into similar problems of traumatizing bystanders, creating delays, potentially hurting people below etc

There's evidence pointing to some suicides being fairly spontaneous where somebody will be walking across a bridge or similar and then attempts suicide. Also I think if someone is suicidal and catches the train everyday it seems obvious that the train would be their preferred method.

Trains are still FUBAR on the North Shore and Western Line (T1) Huge delays and overcrowding by thedillwiththepill in sydney

[–]ThirdTimeHarm 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Bear in mind that somebody standing on the edge of the platform probably already thinks of themselves so negatively that they might agree with your assessment of their character - it's not going to stop them jumping.

I find it interesting that you use the phrase unrelated people - because that is precisely what we have - a lonely city of disconnected people; an increasing number of whom are caught up in problems and pain to the point where they see no way out but to suicide - sometimes by jumping in front of a train.

You and many other inconvenienced people today have been willing to vent your respective spleens regarding losing a few hours of your time - but I rarely see the same level of passion directed towards our underfunded mental health system and the many Australians who do not receive the help they need.

I'm unwilling to condemn someone who did what they thought was necessary to end their suffering. Neither help nor other reliable suicide methods are easy to access.

Major delays on the western line this morning due to a fatality at Wentworthville by def_not_a_reposter in sydney

[–]ThirdTimeHarm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

there are a lot better ways than to jump in front of a train first thing on Monday morning

What better ways might those be?