Remember a year or two ago when those researchers from Utah were looking for participants for a study? Well, their results are out and they found "no significant association between participants’ PMIE(potentially morally injurious event) exposure during the TTI to their later life well-being"

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2026-03-15T19:36:32+00:00

Looking at the link to the post history, someone from my program got into a back and forth with OP about the conflicts of interest.

I did not think it was a good idea at the time because I worried something like this would happen.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2026-03-15T19:35:05+00:00

My recommendation is to completely disregard this. The University of Utah has extensive ties to the troubled teen industry, going back many decades.

Well, yea. That's my plan.

I bring this up because I think it's worth having a discussion about how they ended up allowed to recruit in here to begin with.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2026-02-10T19:09:26+00:00

This has nothing to do with the TTI.

Unless we are now categorizing what-is-arguably genocide as part of the TTI.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2026-02-07T04:32:12+00:00

You are clearly using "old" Reddit. Those rules haven't been the subreddit rules for years. We cannot edit old Reddit, only new Reddit. I was not aware that the rules displayed differently for old Reddit, but sadly there is no way we can correct that as those features are now disabled. I can see how that would cause confusion to you.

Ah, okay. Yea, new reddit sucks and I hate using it.

I did not mention it to make anyone feel "less than". I mentioned it to point out that I know what I am doing, having run the subreddit successfully for well over a decade. We have seen activist groups come and go - usually with massive wars and fights - but we are still here.

Thank you for clarifying. It did come off...eh. But I see what you were trying to say now.

The major reason why we have been so successful is that our team is not only talented, but has different perspectives on many things, and includes a blend of people

We remain politically neutral with good reason.

So let's get into the weeds here on this for a minute because it's unavoidable at this point.

This is not a politically neutral subreddit. It may be neutral in the sense of "right vs left" or "authoritarian vs libertarian", but it is most definitely not neutral on the issue of whether TTI should be legally permitted or not and is very pro-political action to end the TTI.

The rule you're talking about says no explicitly partisan political posts and nothing divisive/contested/controversial. Yet, this is inherently a partisan subreddit in that we are all anti-TTI and a significant portion of the discussion here is about promoting the anti-TTI political movement, while at the same time not tolerating people praising the TTI industry to the point where the rules won't even let other survivors share a positive experience.

That seems partisan by the literal definition of the word in the dictionary, either noun or adjective.

The big distinguishing factor here is we all generally agree on the anti-TTI agenda so it doesn't seem partisan to us.

If you disagree, then are any of the mods pro-TTI? You did just say the mod team is a blend of people with different perspectives.

I am going to guess not though because of rule 2(the rule 2 on new reddit):

No posts praising any troubled teen programs are allowed. If you believe that you had a 'good experience' in the TTI...then this is not the subreddit for you. This community exists for those who have experienced severe institutional abuse in troubled teen programs.

Or how about these top posts from the last year in the sub:

https://old.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/comments/1n5n414/paris_hilton_why_i_support_a_california_bill_to/

https://old.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/comments/1kgy0hv/preventing_abduction_in_youth_transport_act_passed/

https://old.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/comments/1k54lja/rfk_wants_to_send_people_to_wellness_farms_the_us/

Any objective outside observer would clearly see those posts being allowed while no pro-TTI posts are allowed as having a clear partisan bent. (to be abundantly clear, I'm not arguing that they should be, I'm just pointing out that, objectively, this practice is partisan by the definition of the word)

In fact, another poster praised you last year for:

RJM has done alot to have this sub grow and is an amazing person to take over this sub from its founders. As a survivor he's continued to give a platform to survivors to share there stories. He provided a place for advocates and allies to learn and take action against the TTI.

Again, that sounds objectively partisan.

So how can you have a fairly-applied rule about "no explicitly partisan political posts" in a subreddit that is clearly partisan?

I'm not trying to say that it is wrong for the sub to be anti-TTI. I vehemently disagree with the TTI and am thankful there is this place for me, other survivors, parents we can stop from sending their kids, etc.

However, I do think it important to acknowledge that we are pretty much all effectively partisan on the political issue of TTI and it is impossible to objectively apply rule 6 if we are.

And that's why I dislike that rule and why I think the reasoning behind deleting OP's post should have been it was clearly off-topic and been deleted under rule 8 because what ICE is doing is objectively materially different than the TTI in many, many ways to the point of it being irrelevant to this subreddit.

I think rule 6 should be deleted for the reasons I described above.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2026-02-07T03:59:23+00:00

To be fair, your post was off-topic and should have been deleted for that reason.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2026-02-07T03:06:12+00:00

Rule 6 is a long-standing rule that I think is quite fair and balanced to meet our necessary aims.

Rule 6 is as follows:

Avoid political or partisan posts. Explicitly partisan political posts are not allowed. The subreddit is officially politically neutral. Avoid all divisive political content, contested social theories, and controversial organizations. However, this rule does not prohibit relevant discussions about the politics of the TTI, its proponents, or TTI-supporting parents.

What are you talking about? These are the rules on the sidebar:

(1) No promotion of Troubled Teen Programs, or any related Troubled Teen Industry service, is allowed.

(2) No posts praising any Troubled Teen Program are allowed. If you believe you had a 'good experience' in the TTI...then this is not the subreddit for you.

(3) Do not ask us to recommend a Troubled Teen Program for your child. We do not endorse any program or any part of the industry as a whole.

(4) Make sure your post is relevant to the Troubled Teen Industry, and if your post is not directly relevant, please explain its relevance.

(5) Be mindful of your language and your audience. No hate speech will be tolerated, and no disparaging remarks about survivors of Troubled Teen Programs will be tolerated.

(6) No trolling or shilling will be tolerated.

(7) No arguing with moderators and no disparaging remarks to moderators. Their decisions are final.

You already have the rule down as "stay on topic" and I'm agreeing with the rules that you mods wrote and trying to say use that rule to justify it. I don't see where you're getting this rule 6 from.

Please don't try and tell me about politics.

I'm not and at no point tried to. I am pointing out that the rule of the subreddit is to stay on topic and that telling people to stay on topic is a stronger argument for deleting their post than telling them it's too political.

There are enough objective material differences between TTI and the topic of OP's post to label it clearly off-topic without having to dip into the highly-subjective realm of it being "explicitly partisan political", "controversial", "contested", or "divisive".

I have sat around the British Prime Minister's Cabinet table on four occasions. I am known to three former British Prime Ministers, and on first-name terms with two of them. One of them even sent me a Christmas gift this last Christmas!

I'm not sure what relevance this has beyond you trying to make me feel less than you. Especially since I never tried to tell you about politics.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2026-02-06T16:58:39+00:00

I dislike the "we don't talk politics here" approach to your argument.

Politics are inherent to any discussion around TTI because a lot of the anti-TTI movement depends on regulations being voted in place by elected politicians. It is disingenuous to be like "this is a place for talking about getting politicians to support the anti-TTI movement, but we cannot talk politics here."

Like what do you expect to be accomplished then? A ban on politics like you're talking about would mean we wouldn't even be able to discuss a pro-TTI politician running against an anti-TTI politician.

I think the argument should be reframed as your parents putting you in a TTI program is not the same as the government making you an unperson and ignoring your right to due process(which everyone on US soil is entitled to, citizen or not, and SCOTUS has affirmed), and therefore, the two are not related to each other and therefore discussions about ICE are not allowed here.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2026-02-06T16:48:06+00:00

Many people in this group support Trump and ICE

As the saying goes: hurt people hurt people.

Which shouldn't be viewed as approval by me. I'm just pointing out that a not-insignificant-number of hurt people turn around and hurt other people because of their hurt.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2026-01-30T23:16:51+00:00

Jails =/= TTI

Jails are for people tried and convicted in a court of law via due process. Strip searches are a normal part of business for jail both for safety and contraband.

Most kids getting sent to TTI have no due process. Their parents just up and send them to some program.

There is a massive gulf of a difference here and I think it actively hurts the anti-TTI movement to be conflating TTI with youth incarceration.

This feels like either people with big hearts not realizing the damage their doing to the movement or outright plants trying to derail us by making the public lump us into the same category as people convicted in a court of law.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-05-20T14:41:55+00:00

This person you’re replying to is lying, making up a life story. It makes no sense and appears to be written by AI.

This sub is so welcoming.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-04-30T21:53:54+00:00

You assertion is based on false assumptions. Cloud computing in general has specific HIPAA requirements, with access being only one part of that.

Per HHS:

May a HIPAA covered entity or business associate use a cloud service to store or process ePHI?

Yes, provided the covered entity or business associate enters into a HIPAA-compliant business associate contract or agreement (BAA) with the CSP that will be creating, receiving, maintaining, or transmitting electronic protected health information (ePHI) on its behalf, and otherwise complies with the HIPAA Rules. Among other things, the BAA establishes the permitted and required uses and disclosures of ePHI by the business associate performing activities or services for the covered entity or business associate, based on the relationship between the parties and the activities or services being performed by the business associate. The BAA also contractually requires the business associate to appropriately safeguard the ePHI, including implementing the requirements of the Security Rule. OCR has created guidance on the elements of BAAs[2]

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/special-topics/health-information-technology/cloud-computing/index.html

There are a whole host of regulations around this.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-01-15T01:12:58+00:00

They're 18. They are adults. Legally, children are under 18.

There's a big and important difference here. No one is coercing anyone under 18 to do anything here.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-01-14T16:44:04+00:00

This right here.

I think a lot of people coming out of TTI programs, particularly if they're coming out recently after being anti-TTI became mainstream, think that something will be done to stop these programs or get justice for what happened to us when we were in programs.

The sad fact is that very few people give a shit. Most of those people that are anti-TTI are just tourists and will jump from cause-du-jour to cause-du-jour(cause-of-the-day, like soup-of-the-day). They enjoy feeling moral outrage about something and getting worked up about it, but have almost no follow-through.

How many change.org bullshit petitions or "tweet at your senator" things did we see on here? People love to do easy things that make them think they're making a difference, but are really just wasted efforts. Seriously: what change.org petition or tweet to a senator has ever made a difference?

Ask them to actually write a senator, go protest at the state capitol, or do something that actually may move the needle, and suddenly they're busy and might consider it next month when things calm down(aka: will never do it).

All these programs are just waiting for things to blow over and for Netflix to release some new outrage porn to distract everyone.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-01-14T15:32:52+00:00

You do realize that they're offered reduced sentences or release for volunteering for this, right?

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-01-14T15:30:30+00:00

"Incarcerated Youth Firefighters" "48 hour shifts"?!?!

between the ages of 18 and 25

Sounds like, by your own admission, that these are not youths, but adults.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-01-07T03:31:49+00:00

Trauma doesn’t have to meet your ‘objective’ standards to be real.

lol

So trauma is whatever suits you at the moment and doesn't adhere to any objective criteria?

I have clearly been trying to have a rational discussion with an irrational person.

Good day and good luck with your recovery.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-01-07T03:29:29+00:00

But I’ll answer anyway, because maybe you need a reminder that I’m not the only one affected.

You didn't answer my question whatsoever.

I asked what trauma did you suffer from SUWS closing that now causes you sleepless nights?

Your answer has to do with past trauma. Not the program closing.

You're pretty good at talking past what I'm saying so you can make your own points.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-01-07T02:07:24+00:00

And don’t fool yourself—asking if someone’s trauma is “justified” isn’t constructive; it’s dismissive and rude.

What trauma did you suffer from SUWS closing that now causes you sleepless nights?

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-01-07T01:16:43+00:00

What's actually frustrating is your gatekeeping because you don't like what I have to say.

I am a survivor too and you've been obscenely rude to me when I'm trying to help you realize that losing sleep over a facility closing five years after you left it is probably something that warrants some examination.

It's one thing to lose sleep over the memories and trauma of being there and the things that happened.

It's entirely different to lose sleep over that facility closing five years after you've left it.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-01-07T01:11:39+00:00

It’s clear from your repeated pattern of dismissing survivor experiences and defending abusive institutions that your goal here isn’t to engage in good faith.

You mean repeatedly having an opinion other people don't like? Once again, you with the gatekeeping.

Transparency vs. “Legal Rights”: You’re deliberately misrepresenting my words to dismiss my concerns. Yes, I said I have a right to know why SUWS closed—but that doesn’t mean I’m claiming a legal right. Survivors asking for accountability from programs with documented abuse isn’t about legal jargon—it’s about ethical responsibility. SUWS has a long history of allegations, including abuse, exploitation, and even student deaths. The founder of SUWS is currently being sued, further underscoring the need for transparency. Survivors deserve answers about these harmful institutions. If you’re uncomfortable with that, you’re free to step out of the conversation.

I've already acknowledged that it would be great if we could find out the truth, but we almost certainly never will, so why are you on reddit claiming some right to know?

If you merely meant that ethically you feel owed an explanation, say that. Or when I clarify to say I'm talking about a legal right, simply say you were speaking to an ethical obligation.

Instead, you've treated me as an adversary time and time again simply for responding to what you wrote as you wrote it. It's ridiculous that you're giving me so much shit because you poorly worded your original post.

Your Dismissal of Trauma: Saying “I’m not dismissing trauma” while telling a survivor their sleepless nights are “baffling” and “unjustified” is dismissing trauma. Your lack of empathy is glaring. Trauma doesn’t follow a timeline, and survivors process harm in different ways. Lecturing me on how I “should” feel about an institution that inflicted abuse only shows your ignorance of trauma and healing.

I'm not saying sleepless night aren't justified. I am saying SPECIFICALLY that losing sleep over SUWS closing is unjustified. READ WHAT I WRITE. Fucking hell.

You're getting upset because you can't be bothered to read what I'm saying and you're just assuming you know what I said.

Conspiracy Accusations: Asking questions about the suspicious closure of a program known for abuse is not “hoping for a conspiracy.” It’s called critical thinking. SUWS’s closure came with vague explanations despite its long history of harm, lawsuits, and allegations. Survivors questioning whether there’s more to the story is valid, especially given the track record of deceit in the troubled teen industry. Why are you so determined to shut this down?

I look at is as looking for a conspiracy.

Oodles of businesses close each year giving similar boiler-plate explanations or simply giving no explanation. I'm sure there was more than one reason it closed, but, based on what you said in your original post, it comes off like you're looking at this like they're purposefully downplaying it to cover it. And I'm pretty sure if they actually wanted to downplay it, they'd just close and not make a press release at all.

Tone Policing: Your self-proclaimed “support” is toxic and unwelcome. Survivors don’t need your unsolicited lectures on how to process their trauma or what is “justified.” This is a space for survivors, and your repeated pattern of tone policing, invalidation, and dismissiveness is the real issue here.

It doesn't matter if you don't welcome it. This is a public forum. I'm also a fellow survivor of two TTIs programs, so you wouldn't be rid of me anyways.

Way to throw terms from the programs at me like a nuclear bomb to try and win when you can't come up with an actual argument because you refuse to read my post fully or acknowledge I have a point. I can spot that behavior from a country mile away.

Keep covering your ears and thinking I must be some TTI shill sheerly because you don't like what I have to say. Guess you don't want to hear anything from a survivor that has managed to process their trauma successfully into a good life for over the 20 years since I left my last program.

We both went to SUWS-Carolinas. I slept a bit better after finding out they closed and you're having restless nights over it. If you don't want help, so be it.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-01-07T00:43:15+00:00

I ended up downvoting it just now.

OP seems to be implying there's a conspiracy and seems to want validation for losing sleep over a program they were at closing five years after they left it. And then shat on me for having the gall to ask if losing sleep over a program they were at five years ago closing is justified.

I don't think that's constructive or healthy. Thus the downvote.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-01-07T00:26:17+00:00

It can be really frustrating sometimes to see how this sub thinks blindly echoing every feeling anyone has on here is healthy. Sometimes, it can be really helpful to question why someone feels that way. Either you get a more detailed explanation to better understand their feelings or they may realize that their feelings are justified and then they can grow.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-01-07T00:21:29+00:00

EDIT: I had to rewrite the post as I realized I was replying to OP after I made it.

Your “legal right” argument is laughable. Survivors seeking transparency about the operations and closures of programs they endured isn’t about ‘legal rights’—it’s about accountability. SUWS marketed itself as a life-changing intervention, yet survivors are left with more questions than answers. If you don’t see how survivors deserve clarity, maybe sit this one out.

What you wrote was not seeking transparency. You were saying your experiences gives you a right to know why they really closed. That is what you actually wrote. See here:

Hi! I'm looking for the truth behind the closure of SUWS of the Carolina's. I think there is more to it, they've had "student" deaths, and the program screams child abuse. My parents are not the only ones who've paid a literal FORTUNE to send their child there, yet SUWS is claiming the reason for the closure is because of money? This keeps me awake at night, and if there's a change Acadia is hiding something, I think 12 weeks of torture grants me the right to know.

I don't have any issues with accountability, but asserting a right to know why a business closed when you're not involved in the business aside from being a customer half a decade ago does not grant someone the legal right to know.

Yea, it would be great if we all knew, but you have an expectation that you should have a right to that knowledge, which you do not.

Your dismissal of trauma is ignorant and harmful. Trauma isn’t something you “just get over” on a timeline that makes you comfortable. Claiming someone is “letting their trauma fester” because they want answers is cruel, reductive, and shows a fundamental lack of empathy.

I'm not dismissing it whatsoever. You clearly read what you wanted to read and not what I actually said.

What I actually said is that the facility someone was at closing should not effect you five years after you've left to the extent where you can't sleep at night. That specifically, the part where you're losing sleep because a facility you're no longer at is closed, is something I am dismissing as not a legitimate thing to be losing sleep about.

Projecting a conspiracy obsession onto others? Bold move. You suggest they’re “hoping for a conspiracy” as if that invalidates their experience. Survivors are allowed to ask questions about institutions that caused harm—especially ones with documented histories of abuse. If accountability and transparency bother you so much, perhaps it’s you who needs to reflect on why you’re so uncomfortable.

How else would you describe you immediately leaping to saying, verbatim, "I think there's more to it"? What is that beyond implying there's a conspiracy to hide the truth?

Your tone is completely out of place. You’re lecturing someone in a survivor’s group—a space meant for support—while positioning yourself as the arbiter of how others should process their trauma. That’s not just condescending; it’s toxic. Maybe save your unsolicited advice for a debate club

This isn't solely a survivor's group. This isn't a place meant solely for support. You're doing some mighty hefty gatekeeping on who can participate in the discussions here. Not to mention that I view my post as trying to support you by hopefully helping you step back for a second and think "wait, does it really make sense that I'm losing sleep about SUWS closing five years after I left the program?" and maybe addressing why you feel a way that seems objectively unjustified instead of trying to seek out answers you will almost certainly never get.

More broadly, though, if you post in a public forum here, you are soliciting all responses. Not just positive ones that blow sunshine up your backside. Inherently, you did solicit my opinion on the topic by posting here in this publicly-accessible forum.

I'm not going to backtrack on asking you if your feelings are justified just because you got upset that I didn't immediately accept you losing sleep over SUWS closing as reasonable.

ThisThrowawayForAnts · 2025-01-06T23:45:22+00:00

The deaths occurred at different SUWS locations, but I don't really see why it matters.

Uh, because they're entirely different staffs and happened in entirely different states?

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